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Tell me why Im wrong

Créé par: qwertymann
Date de création initiale: 13 juill. 2021
Publié: 13 juill. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Hawryluk, Jayce1800 000 $
Hughes, Quinn36 250 000 $
Lind, Kole2850 000 $
Pettersson, Elias37 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Reimer, James11 450 000 $
Haula, Erik22 250 000 $
Larsson, Adam43 750 000 $
Paquette, Cédric2900 000 $
Hamonic, Travis32 000 000 $
Schenn, Luke1800 000 $
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Graves, Ryan
Détails additionnels:
Pre-Expansion Draft
COL
  1. Juolevi, Olli [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 3e round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
    SEA select Gadjovich and acquire Holtby for 1 year at 3.25m in exchange for future considerations.
    SEA
    1. Gadjovich, Jonah
    2. Holtby, Braden (1 050 000 $ retained)
    3.
    VAN
    1. DeBrusk, Jake
    2. 2021 3e round pick (BOS)
    BOS
    1. Schmidt, Nate
    Détails additionnels:
    Post Expansion Draft
    Rachats de contrats
    • Jake Virtanen: 50 000 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Braden Holtby: 1 050 000 $ (52.5%)
    Frais appliqués
    • Roberto Luongo: 3 035 212 $
    Enfoui
    • Antoine Roussel: 1 875 000 $ (3 000 000 $)
    • Jay Beagle: 1 875 000 $ (3 000 000 $)
    • Loui Eriksson: 4 875 000 $ (6 000 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    VAN
    VAN
    BOS
    VAN
    CHI
    VAN
    WPG
    VAN
    2022
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    2023
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $82 092 326 $648 780 $1 900 000 $-592 326 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    VAN
    Miller, J.T.
    5 250 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Pettersson, Elias
    7 250 000 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    VAN
    Boeser, Brock
    5 875 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    DeBrusk, Jake
    3 675 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Horvat, Bo
    5 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Höglander, Nils
    891 667 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Pearson, Tanner
    3 250 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Haula, Erik
    2 250 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Podkolzin, Vasily
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 3
    VAN
    Motte, Tyler
    1 225 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Paquette, Cédric
    900 000 $
    AD, C, AG
    UFA - 1
    VAN
    MacEwen, Zack
    825 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    VAN
    Hughes, Quinn
    6 250 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 6
    Larsson, Adam
    3 750 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    VAN
    Demko, Thatcher
    5 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 5
    COL
    Graves, Ryan
    3 166 667 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Myers, Tyler
    6 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Reimer, James
    1 450 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Rathbone, Jack
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Hamonic, Travis
    2 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    VAN
    Highmore, Matthew
    725 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Ferland, Micheal
    3 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Hawryluk, Jayce
    800 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA
    Schenn, Luke
    800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2

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    13 juill. à 17 h 44
    #1
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    Well...I had you in the realm of reasonable (maybe light on the Larsson deal, but I could get past that) in the free agent signings, but we aren't getting those deals from the Bruins or the Avs.
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    13 juill. à 17 h 45
    #2
    BenningLooksNervous
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    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….
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    13 juill. à 17 h 46
    #3
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    why on earth would boston get Schmit
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    13 juill. à 17 h 47
    #4
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    Schmidt doesn’t have value. If he continues his decline his contract is rough. Debrusk, even coming off a down year definitely has value. Take out the pick and its still a no go from boston.
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    13 juill. à 17 h 51
    #5
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    Sakic only fleeces other GM's and Bim Jenning is a fool so it would probably be like Graves for Vans 1st this year lmao.

    SEA likely isn't taking on Cap space without incentive so they likely take a no body as there will be plenty of better goalie options.

    Bos isn't giving you value for Schmidt who is more or less a cap dump in a league that needs space more than ever.

    No idea why Larsson would go to Van of all places unless they drastically overpaid him ala Myers
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    13 juill. à 17 h 52
    #6
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    Tell me why should Boston fans want the Bruins to accept that deal?
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    13 juill. à 18 h 2
    #7
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….


    Not gonna argue most of your points but why do you think Larsson would be so unlikely to sign in Van? Always been a heavy Swedish presence in Vancouver and he could reasonably assume he will be partnered with Quinn? Seems like a highly likely place for him to sign IMO.
    13 juill. à 18 h 5
    #8
    Bruins fan
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    Schmidt isn't worth the crap in my toilet rn. Nevermind debrusk or a 3rd.
    13 juill. à 18 h 10
    #9
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    Quoting: pastrnak_is_my_dad
    why on earth would boston get Schmit


    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Schmidt doesn’t have value. If he continues his decline his contract is rough. Debrusk, even coming off a down year definitely has value. Take out the pick and its still a no go from boston.


    Okay so I have seen a ton of Schmidt/DeBrusk swaps on this site from a BOS perspective so I thought I would jump in. Debrusk's value is low right now (agreed). Schmidt is a valuable top 4 guy but agreed his contract brings risk with it. Ultimately, he DOES have value though.
    13 juill. à 18 h 11
    #10
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Schmidt isn't worth the crap in my toilet rn. Nevermind debrusk or a 3rd.


    Tis a bad take. I can take constructive criticism but this just isn't true haha. Schmidt has value. Debatable if you think the value presented is fair but his should return assets in any trade he is involved in
    13 juill. à 18 h 12
    #11
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    Tell me why should Boston fans want the Bruins to accept that deal?


    You're right their D-core is great as is.
    13 juill. à 18 h 13
    #12
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Because Avalanche can’t protect Juolevi and the Bruins aren’t giving away a third and Debrusk for Schmidt. Your free agents likely sign for more and Larsson is very unlikely to sign in Vancouver….


    Avs are 100% exposing Graves, Canucks would likely protect juolevi, and would definatley protect Graves.
    basically Avs get a 3rd for a player to expose in graves place to allow SEA to take him and not another exposed player. not a bad deal IMO
    13 juill. à 18 h 14
    #13
    Bruins fan
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Tis a bad take. I can take constructive criticism but this just isn't true haha. Schmidt has value. Debatable if you think the value presented is fair but his should return assets in any trade he is involved in


    Not debrusk and a 3rd. Not even a 3rd. Nearly 6 mil on a declining guy? That's negative value, bud.
    13 juill. à 18 h 19
    #14
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Not debrusk and a 3rd. Not even a 3rd. Nearly 6 mil on a declining guy? That's negative value, bud.


    Im assuming you watched all 54 of his games this year to be able to say he is declining. He is a strong, mobile, top 4 guy who can play both sides. Again, agreed the contract looks scary but its literally impossible to say he is declining and certainly does not have negative value.
    13 juill. à 18 h 22
    #15
    Bruins fan
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Im assuming you watched all 54 of his games this year to be able to say he is declining. He is a strong, mobile, top 4 guy who can play both sides. Again, agreed the contract looks scary but its literally impossible to say he is declining and certainly does not have negative value.


    Bud, he had 15 hits this year. That's not the type of defenseman anyone should want. Better on his right side too. Bruins don't need that either. Overall bad trade. Accept it and move on.
    13 juill. à 18 h 29
    #16
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    Bud, he had 15 hits this year. That's not the type of defenseman anyone should want. Better on his right side too. Bruins don't need that either. Overall bad trade. Accept it and move on.


    Right so you haven't watched him play. Just accept you're speaking on feeling and not fact and move on. Also didn't realize hits were indicative of good defencemen...

    *checks the most recent Norris trophy winner's hit total...

    Your take is getting worse
    13 juill. à 18 h 30
    #17
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Okay so I have seen a ton of Schmidt/DeBrusk swaps on this site from a BOS perspective so I thought I would jump in. Debrusk's value is low right now (agreed). Schmidt is a valuable top 4 guy but agreed his contract brings risk with it. Ultimately, he DOES have value though.


    You think if schmidt was placed on waivers someone would claim him? I don’t think that’s a lock.
    13 juill. à 18 h 52
    #18
    BenningLooksNervous
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    Quoting: Mediumyeet
    Not gonna argue most of your points but why do you think Larsson would be so unlikely to sign in Van? Always been a heavy Swedish presence in Vancouver and he could reasonably assume he will be partnered with Quinn? Seems like a highly likely place for him to sign IMO.


    I’m not sure how the Keith trade is going to effect contract talks between him and the oilers because before the trade, it sounded like he was going to be re signed by the oilers.
    13 juill. à 19 h 4
    #19
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Right so you haven't watched him play. Just accept you're speaking on feeling and not fact and move on. Also didn't realize hits were indicative of good defencemen...

    *checks the most recent Norris trophy winner's hit total...

    Your take is getting worse


    I don't really care about point totals. We need a big checking d man on the left side. Schmidt isn't it. We have enough softies. Love your persistence but damn.
    13 juill. à 19 h 6
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    Quoting: Skull_King
    I don't really care about point totals. We need a big checking d man on the left side. Schmidt isn't it. We have enough softies. Love your persistence but damn.


    I never mentioned point totals... what discussion are you having and who are you having it with? This is getting yikesier by the message
    13 juill. à 19 h 17
    #21
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    You're right their D-core is great as is.


    Sooooo you can't?
    13 juill. à 20 h 22
    #22
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    Sooooo you can't?


    Oh boy. I guess I jumped too many steps for you eh? The inference you were meant to make was that Boston has a need to improve their d-core. Nate Schmidt plays defence, at a top 4 level, mind you. Therefore, one could surmise that BOS would accept a trade such as the one in this AGM because they would be acquiring a player that can help them in an area where they need help. If I didn't know you were Bruins fan, I do now...
    13 juill. à 20 h 35
    #23
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    Oh boy. I guess I jumped too many steps for you eh? The inference you were meant to make was that Boston has a need to improve their d-core. Nate Schmidt plays defence, at a top 4 level, mind you. Therefore, one could surmise that BOS would accept a trade such as the one in this AGM because they would be acquiring a player that can help them in an area where they need help. If I didn't know you were Bruins fan, I do now...


    First I thought my avatar of David Pastrnak would give away that I'm a B's fan lol

    Now onto the trade. Schmidt saw his number fall back down to earth aka his pre VGK days and he carries a nearly $6 million cap hit for another 4 years....and he's not a $6 million player.

    Good player, but not what Boston needs right now.
    13 juill. à 21 h 7
    #24
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    Quoting: qwertymann
    I never mentioned point totals... what discussion are you having and who are you having it with? This is getting yikesier by the message


    What I'm saying is that if he's not checking, he better be scoring, and he's not. Simple enough?
     
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