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oh kk

Créé par: DirtyDangle
Date de création initiale: jui 13, 2021
Publié: 13 jui à 8 h 16
Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Jost, Tyson32 000 000 $
Makar, Cale89 250 000 $
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi23 000 000 $
Timmins, Conor21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Landeskog, Gabriel58 250 000 $
Grubauer, Philipp66 000 000 $
Calvert, Matt1950 000 $
Bunting, Michael22 500 000 $
Transactions
COL
  1. 2021 4e round pick (SEA)
seattle agrees to select donskoi. trades for compher
SEA
  1. Donskoi, Joonas
  2. Compher, J.T.
COL
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [Droits de RFA]
MTL
  1. Graves, Ryan
  2. 2021 1e round pick (COL)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
COL
SEA
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2023
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $78 507 296 $1 741 463 $4 400 000 $2 992 704 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
8 250 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
9 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
COL
Newhook, Alex
908 333 $
C
RFA - 2
COL
Kadri, Nazem
4 500 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Burakovsky, André
4 900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Bunting, Michael
2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
3 000 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
COL
Kaut, Martin
863 333 $
AD
RFA - 2
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
COL
Jost, Tyson
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
COL
O'Connor, Logan
725 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
COL
Ranta, Sampo
925 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
COL
Bowers, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
COL
Toews, Devon
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
9 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
6 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 6
COL
Byram, Bowen
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
COL
Girard, Samuel
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
COL
Francouz, Pavel
2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
COL
MacDonald, Jacob
725 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
COL
Timmins, Conor
1 250 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
COL
Johnson, Erik
6 000 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Calvert, Matt
950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA

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13 jui à 8 h 19
#1
Rejoint: fév 2020
Messages: 472
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From the Habs : it's a no
13 jui à 8 h 32
#2
Rejoint: jun 2019
Messages: 861
Mentions "j'aime": 325
Quoting: mastersp4
From the Habs : it's a no


I wouldn't be so sure about that. 3 years in and Kk isn't improving much. His skating is not good enough, but he can improve.

Graves is the AVS #4 dman after Makar, Toews, Girard. Taking age into consideration, I don't see the Habs taking Graves or Toews for kk. So either its Girard or no deal. Maybe 1 for 1.
But, why would the Avs even want Kk? They have great Centermen for the top 3 lines...
13 jui à 8 h 41
#3
Rejoint: fév 2020
Messages: 472
Mentions "j'aime": 141
Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
I wouldn't be so sure about that. 3 years in and Kk isn't improving much. His skating is not good enough, but he can improve.

Graves is the AVS #4 dman after Makar, Toews, Girard. Taking age into consideration, I don't see the Habs taking Graves or Toews for kk. So either its Girard or no deal. Maybe 1 for 1.
But, why would the Avs even want Kk? They have great Centermen for the top 3 lines...


Right now the only center we have under contract are : Suzuki and Jake Evans.

KK is RFA
Danault is UFA and will probably walk out of MTL because he think he can plan a 2 way center role while MTL see him as a shutdown center

1) why the Avs want KK u have Mack, Kadri Jost and even Bowers and Newhook
2) I think if the habs would really target Girard if that happen
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13 jui à 9 h 01
#4
Rejoint: sep 2019
Messages: 1,255
Mentions "j'aime": 591
If the Habs want Girard for KK, they're adding a significant piece
13 jui à 9 h 04
#5
Rejoint: avr 2020
Messages: 1,293
Mentions "j'aime": 940
Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
I wouldn't be so sure about that. 3 years in and Kk isn't improving much. His skating is not good enough, but he can improve.

Graves is the AVS #4 dman after Makar, Toews, Girard. Taking age into consideration, I don't see the Habs taking Graves or Toews for kk. So either its Girard or no deal. Maybe 1 for 1.
But, why would the Avs even want Kk? They have great Centermen for the top 3 lines...


Quoting: mastersp4
Right now the only center we have under contract are : Suzuki and Jake Evans.

KK is RFA
Danault is UFA and will probably walk out of MTL because he think he can plan a 2 way center role while MTL see him as a shutdown center

1) why the Avs want KK u have Mack, Kadri Jost and even Bowers and Newhook
2) I think if the habs would really target Girard if that happen


I don't think Habs fans here appreciate just how good Girard is. At 22 years old (just turned 23), he proved to be in the top echelon of defenseman throughout the entire league. And he is on a very good contract. Colorado isn't trading him straight up for a guy who was a healthy scratch at the end of the year. Anyone who wants him would have to pay a huge price.

Don't get me wrong. I like KK and think he will be a good player for a long time. Giving up a top dman for a guy who might turn into a 2C but carries risk is not a good trade though.
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13 jui à 9 h 07
#6
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Rejoint: avr 2020
Messages: 3,633
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
If the Habs want Girard for KK, they're adding a significant piece


girard for kk would be a no go.
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13 jui à 9 h 12
#7
Rejoint: jun 2019
Messages: 861
Mentions "j'aime": 325
Quoting: Anus_McLeod
I don't think Habs fans here appreciate just how good Girard is. At 22 years old (just turned 23), he proved to be in the top echelon of defenseman throughout the entire league. And he is on a very good contract. Colorado isn't trading him straight up for a guy who was a healthy scratch at the end of the year. Anyone who wants him would have to pay a huge price.

Don't get me wrong. I like KK and think he will be a good player for a long time. Giving up a top dman for a guy who might turn into a 2C but carries risk is not a good trade though.


First things first, I'm a fan of both teams but ok. It's not like I don't see Girard play...
Define 'top echelon' of dmen? Top 10,20,30? Where does Girard fit in there? Don't get me wrong, he's a great dman, I'd personally put him top 30, but let's hold the horses on top echelon. He disappointed in the playoffs, and ironically I think he needs more work in the dzone.
Would a 1for1 be a fair trade, probably not. But like I said, if I'm the GM in Mtl, I wouldn't even think about Graves and Toews if I'm giving up kk. And the other guys I would want are probably off limits (Makar, Byram, Timmins) obviously Makar, duh
13 jui à 9 h 41
#8
Rejoint: aoû 2020
Messages: 3,735
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
First things first, I'm a fan of both teams but ok. It's not like I don't see Girard play...
Define 'top echelon' of dmen? Top 10,20,30? Where does Girard fit in there? Don't get me wrong, he's a great dman, I'd personally put him top 30, but let's hold the horses on top echelon. He disappointed in the playoffs, and ironically I think he needs more work in the dzone.
Would a 1for1 be a fair trade, probably not. But like I said, if I'm the GM in Mtl, I wouldn't even think about Graves and Toews if I'm giving up kk. And the other guys I would want are probably off limits (Makar, Byram, Timmins) obviously Makar, duh


He finished 19th in the voting for all NHL team. Finished 19th in scoring, 27th in TOI amongst all dmen. Then factor in his contract 6 more years at $5M, of which the majority of that will be a flat cap and you have a VERY valuable resource. An over drafted C, that has played 171 career games (basically 2 full seasons) has a career 0.36 ppg scoring doesn’t have the sort of value at all to be the main piece in a trade for a dman like Girard, for some context JT Compher through his first 223 games had a career 0.40 ppg scoring rate. MTL fans aren’t going to like it but the 3 pieces they do have that would make sense in a trade for Girard and pretty much the only pieces that would interest COL are one of Caulfield, Suzuki or Romanov and not exactly sure that interests MTL.
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13 jui à 9 h 42
#9
Rejoint: avr 2020
Messages: 1,293
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
First things first, I'm a fan of both teams but ok. It's not like I don't see Girard play...
Define 'top echelon' of dmen? Top 10,20,30? Where does Girard fit in there? Don't get me wrong, he's a great dman, I'd personally put him top 30, but let's hold the horses on top echelon. He disappointed in the playoffs, and ironically I think he needs more work in the dzone.
Would a 1for1 be a fair trade, probably not. But like I said, if I'm the GM in Mtl, I wouldn't even think about Graves and Toews if I'm giving up kk. And the other guys I would want are probably off limits (Makar, Byram, Timmins) obviously Makar, duh


He was getting legit Norris buzz before he got hurt, and not just from local media, so top 30 is pretty conservative (imo). When you factor in him only getting PP1 time when Makar was out, his totals become even more impressive.

With respect to the playoffs,, you have to consider he wasn't healthy, which contribted to his performance. And it's not like he was awful (5 points in 10 games, over 22 min per game, and decent possession stats).

Anyway, if the Habs would do something around Timmins it could work. I don't know if either team is in a position to do that quite yet, but I could see it after next year when each will know more about their immediate situation at RD (Avs) and C (Habs). Just my opinion.

And sorry if my response came off a bit harsh. I didn't intend it that way. I just see a lot of Girard to Montreal proposals which (imo) undervalue Girard (sometimes by a lot).
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13 jui à 9 h 56
#10
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Quoting: Xqb15a
He finished 19th in the voting for all NHL team. Finished 19th in scoring, 27th in TOI amongst all dmen. Then factor in his contract 6 more years at $5M, of which the majority of that will be a flat cap and you have a VERY valuable resource. An over drafted C, that has played 171 career games (basically 2 full seasons) has a career 0.36 ppg scoring doesn’t have the sort of value at all to be the main piece in a trade for a dman like Girard, for some context JT Compher through his first 223 games had a career 0.40 ppg scoring rate. MTL fans aren’t going to like it but the 3 pieces they do have that would make sense in a trade for Girard and pretty much the only pieces that would interest COL are one of Caulfield, Suzuki or Romanov and not exactly sure that interests MTL.


agree with eveything you said except romanov. there's no reason for the avs to downgrade. i can see them moving girard in a hockey trade for a young forward but that's it.
13 jui à 10 h 42
#11
Habs_fan
Rejoint: jui 2020
Messages: 488
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KK is 20 YEARS OLD.
It's not his fault the Habs rushed him in the league 3-4 years to early. Wait until he is 23-24 and then evaluate him.
13 jui à 10 h 45
#12
Representing the 505
Rejoint: sep 2020
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Quoting: p1015983
KK is 20 YEARS OLD.
It's not his fault the Habs rushed him in the league 3-4 years to early. Wait until he is 23-24 and then evaluate him.


Quoting: Anus_McLeod
He was getting legit Norris buzz before he got hurt, and not just from local media, so top 30 is pretty conservative (imo). When you factor in him only getting PP1 time when Makar was out, his totals become even more impressive.

With respect to the playoffs,, you have to consider he wasn't healthy, which contribted to his performance. And it's not like he was awful (5 points in 10 games, over 22 min per game, and decent possession stats).

Anyway, if the Habs would do something around Timmins it could work. I don't know if either team is in a position to do that quite yet, but I could see it after next year when each will know more about their immediate situation at RD (Avs) and C (Habs). Just my opinion.

And sorry if my response came off a bit harsh. I didn't intend it that way. I just see a lot of Girard to Montreal proposals which (imo) undervalue Girard (sometimes by a lot).


He undervalued because of his size which too many people but too much emphasis on.
13 jui à 11 h 57
#13
Rejoint: aoû 2020
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Quoting: p1015983
KK is 20 YEARS OLD.
It's not his fault the Habs rushed him in the league 3-4 years to early. Wait until he is 23-24 and then evaluate him.


Don’t disagree but he isn’t going to double his current scoring rate, which prorated would make him a 59pt guy, which means it’s a pretty safe assumption that he is going to be a middle 6 forward. That doesn’t make him a bust or anything but middle 6 forwards don’t net young top pairing dmen on team friendly deals, they are what’s added to deals for 1st pairing dmen.
13 jui à 13 h 01
#14
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Quoting: Anus_McLeod
He was getting legit Norris buzz before he got hurt, and not just from local media, so top 30 is pretty conservative (imo). When you factor in him only getting PP1 time when Makar was out, his totals become even more impressive.

With respect to the playoffs,, you have to consider he wasn't healthy, which contribted to his performance. And it's not like he was awful (5 points in 10 games, over 22 min per game, and decent possession stats).

Anyway, if the Habs would do something around Timmins it could work. I don't know if either team is in a position to do that quite yet, but I could see it after next year when each will know more about their immediate situation at RD (Avs) and C (Habs). Just my opinion.

And sorry if my response came off a bit harsh. I didn't intend it that way. I just see a lot of Girard to Montreal proposals which (imo) undervalue Girard (sometimes by a lot).


No worries, not at all. Habs fans undervalue all good players we want then overvalue the ones we want to get rid of.
 
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