From the Habs : it's a no

I wouldn't be so sure about that. 3 years in and Kk isn't improving much. His skating is not good enough, but he can improve.

Graves is the AVS #4 dman after Makar, Toews, Girard. Taking age into consideration, I don't see the Habs taking Graves or Toews for kk. So either its Girard or no deal. Maybe 1 for 1.
But, why would the Avs even want Kk? They have great Centermen for the top 3 lines...

Right now the only center we have under contract are : Suzuki and Jake Evans.

KK is RFA
Danault is UFA and will probably walk out of MTL because he think he can plan a 2 way center role while MTL see him as a shutdown center

1) why the Avs want KK u have Mack, Kadri Jost and even Bowers and Newhook
2) I think if the habs would really target Girard if that happen

If the Habs want Girard for KK, they're adding a significant piece

I don't think Habs fans here appreciate just how good Girard is. At 22 years old (just turned 23), he proved to be in the top echelon of defenseman throughout the entire league. And he is on a very good contract. Colorado isn't trading him straight up for a guy who was a healthy scratch at the end of the year. Anyone who wants him would have to pay a huge price.

Don't get me wrong. I like KK and think he will be a good player for a long time. Giving up a top dman for a guy who might turn into a 2C but carries risk is not a good trade though.

girard for kk would be a no go.

First things first, I'm a fan of both teams but ok. It's not like I don't see Girard play...
Define 'top echelon' of dmen? Top 10,20,30? Where does Girard fit in there? Don't get me wrong, he's a great dman, I'd personally put him top 30, but let's hold the horses on top echelon. He disappointed in the playoffs, and ironically I think he needs more work in the dzone.
Would a 1for1 be a fair trade, probably not. But like I said, if I'm the GM in Mtl, I wouldn't even think about Graves and Toews if I'm giving up kk. And the other guys I would want are probably off limits (Makar, Byram, Timmins) obviously Makar, duh

He finished 19th in the voting for all NHL team. Finished 19th in scoring, 27th in TOI amongst all dmen. Then factor in his contract 6 more years at $5M, of which the majority of that will be a flat cap and you have a VERY valuable resource. An over drafted C, that has played 171 career games (basically 2 full seasons) has a career 0.36 ppg scoring doesn’t have the sort of value at all to be the main piece in a trade for a dman like Girard, for some context JT Compher through his first 223 games had a career 0.40 ppg scoring rate. MTL fans aren’t going to like it but the 3 pieces they do have that would make sense in a trade for Girard and pretty much the only pieces that would interest COL are one of Caulfield, Suzuki or Romanov and not exactly sure that interests MTL.

He was getting legit Norris buzz before he got hurt, and not just from local media, so top 30 is pretty conservative (imo). When you factor in him only getting PP1 time when Makar was out, his totals become even more impressive.

With respect to the playoffs,, you have to consider he wasn't healthy, which contribted to his performance. And it's not like he was awful (5 points in 10 games, over 22 min per game, and decent possession stats).

Anyway, if the Habs would do something around Timmins it could work. I don't know if either team is in a position to do that quite yet, but I could see it after next year when each will know more about their immediate situation at RD (Avs) and C (Habs). Just my opinion.

And sorry if my response came off a bit harsh. I didn't intend it that way. I just see a lot of Girard to Montreal proposals which (imo) undervalue Girard (sometimes by a lot).

agree with eveything you said except romanov. there's no reason for the avs to downgrade. i can see them moving girard in a hockey trade for a young forward but that's it.

KK is 20 YEARS OLD.
It's not his fault the Habs rushed him in the league 3-4 years to early. Wait until he is 23-24 and then evaluate him.

He undervalued because of his size which too many people but too much emphasis on.

Don’t disagree but he isn’t going to double his current scoring rate, which prorated would make him a 59pt guy, which means it’s a pretty safe assumption that he is going to be a middle 6 forward. That doesn’t make him a bust or anything but middle 6 forwards don’t net young top pairing dmen on team friendly deals, they are what’s added to deals for 1st pairing dmen.

No worries, not at all. Habs fans undervalue all good players we want then overvalue the ones we want to get rid of.