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Créé par: habs_fan123
Date de création initiale: 12 juill. 2021
Publié: 12 juill. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Fleury, Cale1825 000 $
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi32 825 000 $
Dunn, Vince23 525 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Armia, Joel22 750 000 $
Danault, Phillip55 700 000 $
Perry, Corey5750 000 $
Coleman, Blake33 550 000 $
Staal, Eric1750 000 $
Raanta, Antti11 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. 2021 5e round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. 2021 2e round pick (TBL)
2.
MTL
    SEA
    1. Allen, Jake
    3.
    MTL
    1. Mangiapane, Andrew
    CGY
    1. Guhle, Kaiden
    2. Drouin, Jonathan
    3. Poehling, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
    4. 2021 1e round pick (MTL)
    4.
    MTL
    1. 2021 3e round pick (WPG)
    2. 2022 3e round pick (CBJ)
    WPG
    1. Chiarot, Ben
    2. 2021 4e round pick (VGK)
    5.
    MTL
    1. 2021 1e round pick (DAL)
    2. 2022 2e round pick (DAL)
    DAL
    1. Anderson, Josh
    2. 2022 3e round pick (CBJ)
    6.
    MTL
    1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
    2. 2022 3e round pick (STL)
    STL
    1. Brook, Josh
    2. 2022 2e round pick (MTL)
    3. 2022 2e round pick (DAL)
    7.
    MTL
    1. Konecny, Travis
    PHI
    1. Norlinder, Mattias
    2. 2021 1e round pick (DAL)
    3. 2022 1e round pick (MTL)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    MTL
    CHI
    WSH
    WPG
    MTL
    STL
    PHI
    LAK
    MTL
    MTL
    2022
    MTL
    STL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    2023
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $77 001 370 $597 561 $1 475 000 $4 498 630 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    CGY
    Mangiapane, Andrew
    2 425 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Suzuki, Nick
    863 333 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Caufield, Cole
    880 833 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Toffoli, Tyler
    4 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
    2 825 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Konecny, Travis
    5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    Coleman, Blake
    3 550 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Danault, Phillip
    5 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Gallagher, Brendan
    6 500 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Armia, Joel
    2 750 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Evans, Jake
    750 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Perry, Corey
    750 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Dunn, Vince
    3 525 000 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Weber, Shea
    7 857 143 $
    DD
    UFA - 5
    MTL
    Price, Carey
    10 500 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    MTL
    Edmundson, Joel
    3 500 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Petry, Jeff
    6 250 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 4
    Raanta, Antti
    1 750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Kulak, Brett
    1 850 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Romanov, Alexander
    894 167 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    MTL
    Staal, Eric
    750 000 $
    C
    UFA
    MTL
    Fleury, Cale
    825 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1

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    12 juill. à 22 h 39
    #1
    habs_fan
    Rejoint: janv. 2018
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    Breadman88Loafs a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 22 h 39
    #2
    Hire Dusty Imoo
    Rejoint: mai 2021
    Messages: 916
    Mentions "j'aime": 457
    Mangiapane isnt available
    Gmonwy, CJets et Breadman88Loafs a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 22 h 39
    #3
    Rejoint: août 2020
    Messages: 1,328
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    Flames easily decline, Jets also decline but not a bad deal
    Gmonwy et Breadman88Loafs a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 22 h 39
    #4
    Flames
    Rejoint: juin 2018
    Messages: 477
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    Mangiapane might actually be the most untouchable player on the Flames rn, so pretty easy no here. Either throw in a young player with a high ceiling like Suzuki or we hang up fast.
    Gmonwy, CJets, McSchleep and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 22 h 40
    #5
    Rejoint: juin 2019
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    Quoting: habs_fan123


    Nah Mange is simply not available, decent offer though. Drouin makes it much less attractive however
    12 juill. à 22 h 41
    #6
    Rejoint: juill. 2020
    Messages: 4,587
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    Winnipeg doesn't need bottom pairing LD at all.
    12 juill. à 22 h 42
    #7
    Démarrer sujet
    habs_fan
    Rejoint: janv. 2018
    Messages: 2,930
    Mentions "j'aime": 688
    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Nah Mange is simply not available, decent offer though. Drouin makes it much less attractive however


    gotcha thanks for the feedback!
    12 juill. à 22 h 43
    #8
    Rejoint: août 2020
    Messages: 1,328
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    Quoting: Ansabch12
    Mangiapane might actually be the most untouchable player on the Flames rn, so pretty easy no here. Either throw in a young player with a high ceiling like Suzuki or we hang up fast.


    Agreed, I had Mangiapane at a 90 overall in my Flames franchise mode and he lead the team to a Stanley Cup, winning Conn Smythe
    Breadman88Loafs et Ansabch12 a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 22 h 49
    #9
    Jinx lord
    Rejoint: sept. 2019
    Messages: 6,782
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    Not sure on Anderson's value, but I do know that Dallas can't afford his contract, with a lot of important guys to resign in the next few years, and the fact that we already have big contracts like Benn, Seguin and Lindell he doesn't seem to be a fit.
    12 juill. à 22 h 53
    #10
    Rejoint: janv. 2017
    Messages: 601
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    What am I'm missing with Mangiapane? I watched him almost everygame this year and I see nothing that would warrant this type of value. He is a decent player but a probable 3rd line center, a potetntial top pairing D, a middle 6 winger who is comparable in age and a first round pick! Wtf. This would have wasted 4 or the last 5 first round picks lol. And all you get is a middle 6 winger?
    12 juill. à 22 h 54
    #11
    Démarrer sujet
    habs_fan
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    What am I'm missing with Mangiapane? I watched him almost everygame this year and I see nothing that would warrant this type of value. He is a decent player but a probable 3rd line center, a potetntial top pairing D, a middle 6 winger who is comparable in age and a first round pick! Wtf. This would have wasted 4 or the last 5 first round picks lol. And all you get is a middle 6 winger?


    Mangipane is elite
    12 juill. à 22 h 56
    #12
    Rejoint: janv. 2017
    Messages: 601
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    Quoting: habs_fan123
    Mangipane is elite


    Elite? No he isn't. Unless your idea of elite is a second line winger. The comments about him on this thread are some of the most idiotic i've seen on this site.
    12 juill. à 22 h 58
    #13
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    Quoting: McSchleep
    Mangiapane isnt available


    For that price he would be lol
    12 juill. à 23 h 5
    #14
    Rejoint: juin 2019
    Messages: 20,381
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    What am I'm missing with Mangiapane? I watched him almost everygame this year and I see nothing that would warrant this type of value. He is a decent player but a probable 3rd line center, a potetntial top pairing D, a middle 6 winger who is comparable in age and a first round pick! Wtf. This would have wasted 4 or the last 5 first round picks lol. And all you get is a middle 6 winger?


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    He is more like a 1st line winger, with some of the best analytics in the league and was one of the best 5v5 goal scorers too. He has an exceptional 2-way game and plays with a lot of grit

    He doesn't play center
    habs_fan123 et Breadman88Loafs a aimé ceci.
    12 juill. à 23 h 9
    #15
    Rejoint: janv. 2017
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
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    He is more like a 1st line winger, with some of the best analytics in the league and was one of the best 5v5 goal scorers too. He doesn't play center


    Tatar, Danault and Gallagher have had some of the best analytics for the last three years. That does not make them a first line player that would warrant that package. You don't trade all your first round capital for a 50pt winger (at best). Thats horrendous asset management.
    12 juill. à 23 h 10
    #16
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    Tatar, Danault and Gallagher have had some of the best analytics for the last three years. That does not make them a first line player that would warrant that package. You don't trade all your first round capital for a 50pt winger (at best). Thats horrendous asset management.


    By all means keep your prospects, Flames will happily keep their breaking out elite winger
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    12 juill. à 23 h 12
    #17
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    By all means keep your prospects, Flames will happily keep their breaking out elite winger


    Elite winger lol. Small bar to become elite this days I see.
    12 juill. à 23 h 18
    #18
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    Elite winger lol. Small bar to become elite this days I see.


    I mean he was tied with Barkov for 11th in 5v5 goals and ahead of Pastrnak, Point, Ovechkin, Huberdeau, Draisaitl, Guentzel, and many other big names. He is an analytic god with incredible work ethic and drive. And is being paid less than 2.5M
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    12 juill. à 23 h 22
    #19
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I mean he was tied with Barkov for 11th in 5v5 goals and ahead of Pastrnak, Point, Ovechkin, Huberdeau, Draisaitl, Guentzel, and many other big names. He is an analytic god with incredible work ethic and drive. And is being paid less than 2.5M


    He gets paid 2.5 for one more year. Don't get me wrong he is a decent 2nd line winger but you don't pay that much for that. He is a very similar type of player that Gallagher is/was and Gallagher was never worth that much, even when he was scoring 30 goals a year. And he only score 5on5 and never got PP time.
    12 juill. à 23 h 22
    #20
    Démarrer sujet
    habs_fan
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I mean he was tied with Barkov for 11th in 5v5 goals and ahead of Pastrnak, Point, Ovechkin, Huberdeau, Draisaitl, Guentzel, and many other big names. He is an analytic god with incredible work ethic and drive. And is being paid less than 2.5M


    plus hes doesnt pad his stats with secondary assists and still put up 47 point pace
    12 juill. à 23 h 24
    #21
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    He gets paid 2.5 for one more year. Don't get me wrong he is a decent 2nd line winger but you don't pay that much for that. He is a very similar type of player that Gallagher is/was and Gallagher was never worth that much, even when he was scoring 30 goals a year. And he only score 5on5 and never got PP time.


    I think you are missing the point, Mangiapane is simply not available for trade, if you dont want to offer the above that's fine but dont go underrating him like you originally did
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    12 juill. à 23 h 30
    #22
    88loafsofbread
    Rejoint: avr. 2021
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    Andrew Mangiapane is the hart and sole of the Flames right after Tkachuk, he's unavailable.
    12 juill. à 23 h 30
    #23
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I think you are missing the point, Mangiapane is simply not available for trade, if you dont want to offer the above that's fine but dont go underrating him like you originally did


    I was commentting on his value, and no way in hell is it worth that. You're overvauling him by a lot. Or maybe you're strictly stuck in your own flames bubble and don't realize the value of other teams players/prospects.

    I hope you do realize that 99% of the people traded on this site is strictly a hypothetical right? Lol. You do realize we aren't the actual real GMs right? Lol.
    12 juill. à 23 h 37
    #24
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    Quoting: Commonsense27
    I was commentting on his value, and no way in hell is it worth that. You're overvauling him by a lot. Or maybe you're strictly stuck in your own flames bubble and don't realize the value of other teams players/prospects.

    I hope you do realize that 99% of the people traded on this site is strictly a hypothetical right? Lol. You do realize we aren't the actual real GMs right? Lol.


    I have a fairly good idea on prospects values, I don't know how I am overvaluing Mangipane at all here though. Care to explain?
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    12 juill. à 23 h 42
    #25
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I have a fairly good idea on prospects values, I don't know how I am overvaluing Mangipane at all here though. Care to explain?


    It doesn't sound like you do. Mangipane is a second line winger, thats it. Second line wingers do not get this package. Mark Stone got a worse package than this lol..pay attention to other teams besides the Flames.

    I'm still curious how on earth the Flames missed the playoffs with all this elite talent though
     
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