Koskinen doesn’t fill a need for CBJ/ is a net negative.

And Strome is…fine. Wouldn’t say he moves the needle. If anything, picking him up feels like a favor to CHI?

Plus, if Jones is coming with an extension in place? You bet your ass the return is going to be *big* for CBJ.

All in all, CBJ probably decline.

How does picking Strome up feel like a favor to Chicago? As in Chicago can't move him for a late 1st?

Columbus isn't in a position of power, in fact they would be better off keeping him till the TDL to maximize their return if that is the strategy.

Not many teams can take on Jone's expected extension cap hit, also coming off a below average year, in flat cap world, and the fact that he is vocal that he wants to test free agency. For that reason, highly unlikely he signs an extension in Chicago...maybe Colorado or a team competing now. If for some reason he does agree to an extension, his value is only what 4 or 5 teams are willing to pay for a guy that wants out and isn't without risk due to his play and in a flat cap world. This is a pretty solid offer. Strome and Mitchell are both worth late 1sts, another 1st rounder, a 3rd and koskinen to balance the cap hit a bit. (3) 1st rounders value wise plus a 3rd is a pretty solid offer.

How does you "taking" Strome do us a favor if he's returning you a late 1st in this deal?

Badgering isn’t going to get CBJ to accept an OK offer 🤷‍♂️ I’d counter CBJ are in a great position here. Online Hockey Nerds like us love to badger the point, but Pierre Lebrun and others are reporting trade interest is borderline unprecented. Advanced stats hurt, but you still have a top-pairing, PP leading, offensively driven monster truck of a RH D-Man. His extension may be a pain to negotiate, but not much you can do there.

Which brings us to the supposition in all of this being that he is going to come with a 7x8 extension; Which, btw, if you are trading for him with an extension, you might as well sign and trade for the eighth year to flatten the cap hit.

Point still stands - Koskinen doesn’t do anything, and Strome is…fine. If you truly believe he can net you a late first, then go ahead and ship him off to a playoff team next year. For CBJ, he would just be one of a myriad of Middle-6 centers that we just don’t need. We need a 1C, or someone who can compete as such, and I have a feeling if CHI saw him as one, they wouldn’t be trading him away.

As for what I meant by “favor” - my understanding is CHI has $6M in cap space, eight FA’s, a slew of extensions due up next year, and a desire to be competitive now - why else would we even be hearing they are looking into Jones? I don’t get the impression CHI really sees Strome as part of their long-term plans, so passing him off now instead of having to deal with him next year, and risk another All-Star caliber 17 point season hurting his value, seems to be beneficial to you guys.

6 mil isn't accounting for seabrook and shaw going to LTIR, which will put us at around 17 mil. Doesn't account for very likley kieth and dehaan trades which will leave us with even more cap. We have plenty of money. CBJ does us no favor by taking cap

Then feel free to keep Strome

Nobody is badgering, simply sharing the reality of your comment which is misguided. That said, NOBODY here has ANYTHING to do with a team accepting a trade which is first and foremost, so no need to badger just dialogue.

You're way off on the cap space Chicago has, they have well over $10M in cap space and that's after signing/adding one big player be it Jones or someone else and not including if Keith does get traded. Shaw and Seabs are on LITR, so you're probably not calculating that into the picture for starters. Strome MAY have lost a place in Chicago given that they have Dach, Toews, Suter, Kampf, Borgstrom as a flyer to see what he has. The issue with Strome is he's too good to be a 3C, isn't a good winger, but doesn't have a place as a 2C or 1C in Chicago with Dach and Toews there. The other issue is Strome doesn't fit Chicago's new system all that well either, he's a pure playmaker and rather one dimensional which is fine for a team like Toronto but not the system Chicago plays. That said, one thing is for sure, Chicago is not giving away Strome and his cap hit is hardly a concern.

Also, Chicago isn't competing next season. They announced the rebuild last off season and it's going to be another year or so.

Well, I have to disagree with you. I don’t think CBJ have no power in these trade talks, and the bidding war is in apparently in full swing.

And, be that as it may, Strome still isn’t a fit with CBJ anyway. I don’t think anyone sees him as anything more than a middle-6 C.

And re: rebuilding: If CHI is re-building, why trade for Jones in the first place as a rental? If you want to sign and trade for him long term, then that is a different conversation and will require increased compensation to CBJ beyond what is offered here.

And ok, ok…no badgering on either side. If we just disagree, we just disagree 🤷‍♂️

Never said CBJ have no power, but their power is limited unless they wait till the TDL where they can gain an advantage. Jones coming out and saying he wants to go to free agency is a big hit on CBJ's power. As a rental, he's not a top 10 D and not going to get that kind of haul like Karlsson did as an example. As a rental, a 1st, good prospect and role player maybe another 2nd or 3rd is probably the buying price.

They won't trade for Jones if he doesn't have an extension in place. Reports came out in Chicago that the talks are cooling off for that reason.

Strome would be a good 2C on the right team.

Just trying to have a discussion with CBJ fans on this trade guy, if you don't want to do that don't keep commenting. You aern't adding anything of value to this conversation. Strome isn't even staying in CBJ in this deal and I feel like you aern't seeing that.

You right, you right. Sorry if I came across as kind of a dick.

Just feels to me, as a CBJ fan, that this isn’t the best trade I’ve come across. I get your points and, as much as I hate this phrase, all I can say is agree to disagree.