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Tarasenko

Date de création initiale: jui 5, 2021
Publié: 8 jui à 1 h 37
Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Blueger, Teddy21 800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Gaudreau, Frédérick1950 000 $
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PIT
    SEA
    1. Blueger, Teddy
    PIT
    1. Tarasenko, Vladimir
    STL
    1. Zucker, Jason
    2. Légaré, Nathan
    3. 2021 2e round pick (PIT)
    PIT
    1. Crouse, Lawson
    2. Fischer, Christian
    3. 2021 4e round pick (PIT)
    ARI
    1. Pettersson, Marcus
    Détails additionnels:
    Calle Clang
    Rachats de contrats
    • Jack Johnson: 1 166 667 $
    Enfoui
    • Juuso Riikola: 25 000 $ (1 150 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
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    PIT
    PIT
    WSH
    ANA
    2022
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    2023
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $80 743 030 $0 $295 000 $756 970 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    PIT
    Guentzel, Jake
    6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Crosby, Sidney
    8 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    2 940 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Malkin, Evgeni
    9 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Tarasenko, Vladimir
    7 500 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Tanev, Brandon
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Carter, Jeff
    2 636 364 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    3 200 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Gaudreau, Frédérick
    950 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Fischer, Christian
    1 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    PIT
    Dumoulin, Brian
    4 100 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Letang, Kris
    7 250 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Marino, John
    4 400 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 6
    PIT
    DeSmith, Casey
    1 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Matheson, Michael
    4 875 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Ruhwedel, Chad
    750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Maniscalco, Joshua
    853 333 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    PIT
    Lafferty, Sam
    750 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1

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    8 jui à 1 h 47
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    You need to give up at least something of value to the blues for Tara…. The blues will just keep him for this. The guy scores 30g and 60+P when healthy. Does Zucker even have positive trade value at this point? Maybe you could get Drouin for him 1 for 1
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    8 jui à 2 h 02
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    You need to give up at least something of value to the blues for Tara…. The blues will just keep him for this. The guy scores 30g and 60+P when healthy. Does Zucker even have positive trade value at this point? Maybe you could get Drouin for him 1 for 1


    Yup exactly
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    8 jui à 2 h 26
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    HORRIBLE trade for the pens, We cannot afford to Lose ANY more picks and prospects, I’d not give up a 2nd and Legare for almost anything let alone a guy who makes 7 mil to only play 26% of his available games over the past 2 seasons. St Louis are clowns if they expect to get anything like this for Tarasenko
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    8 jui à 3 h 21
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    You need to give up at least something of value to the blues for Tara…. The blues will just keep him for this. The guy scores 30g and 60+P when healthy. Does Zucker even have positive trade value at this point? Maybe you could get Drouin for him 1 for 1



    Dude, that's a solid offer that the Blues would have to think about.

    Drouin, on the other hand, is a huge hell naw. Eww.
    8 jui à 4 h 17
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    You need to give up at least something of value to the blues for Tara…. The blues will just keep him for this. The guy scores 30g and 60+P when healthy. Does Zucker even have positive trade value at this point? Maybe you could get Drouin for him 1 for 1


    I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them. You’re either incredibly bias or simply just don’t know about the players involved. This is an overpay by the pens. Tarasenko is on shoulder surgery #3, has a 7.5 million cap hit for 2 years, makes 9 million in real cash this year, requested to be traded, and has a full NTC which all hurt his value quite a bit. If this was the same Tarasenko that was putting up 30+ goal seasons, or even pacing that then I’d probably agree with you. However he ain’t. Zucker even on a down year would have had 20+ goals and 20+ assists in 82 games. So yes he still has value and Drouin blows. Zucker > Drouin. Legare is a B+ prospect. Then adding a decent draft pick. Pens would say no thanks here. Unfortunately for blues fans. Tarasenko kinda tanked whatever trade value he had left by requesting a trade and being damaged goods.
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    8 jui à 5 h 36
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    Modifié 8 jui à 5 h 44
    Quoting: Pensfan89
    I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them. You’re either incredibly bias or simply just don’t know about the players involved. This is an overpay by the pens. Tarasenko is on shoulder surgery #3, has a 7.5 million cap hit for 2 years, makes 9 million in real cash this year, requested to be traded, and has a full NTC which all hurt his value quite a bit. If this was the same Tarasenko that was putting up 30+ goal seasons, or even pacing that then I’d probably agree with you. However he ain’t. Zucker even on a down year would have had 20+ goals and 20+ assists in 82 games. So yes he still has value and Drouin blows. Zucker > Drouin. Legare is a B+ prospect. Then adding a decent draft pick. Pens would say no thanks here. Unfortunately for blues fans. Tarasenko kinda tanked whatever trade value he had left by requesting a trade and being damaged goods.


    Legare Is 20 and still playing in the Q lol that’s not really what I would consider B+ He’s maybe a C level? Irony incredibly bias comment … Zucker was in a 38 point pace and he makes 5.5m. In a “ down year” Drouin was on pace for 42 points. Lol “ I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them” Tara also had a down year but last year he had 10p in 10gp that’s an 82p pace. I’m sure teams will risk him returning to elite rather than a 7m cap dump. Even if the blues got to eat some cap I would to get the most value for him.
    8 jui à 5 h 41
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Dude, that's a solid offer that the Blues would have to think about.

    Drouin, on the other hand, is a huge hell naw. Eww.


    Lol Drouin has better numbers but eww and maybe if that’s the only phone call you get for him
    8 jui à 5 h 45
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    Legare Is 20 and still playing in the Q lol that’s not really what I would consider B+ He’s maybe a C level? Irony incredibly bias comment … Zucker was in a 38 point pace and he makes 5.5m. In a “ down year” Drouin was on pace for 42 points. Lol “ I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them” Tara also had a down year but last year he had 10p in 10gp that’s an 82p pace.


    Legare was still playing in the Q because the pens had no room for him on their nhl roster and weren’t going to waste a year of his contract to play him in the ahl instead. Hardly a C prospect. Drouin had 2 goals in 44 GP. That’s 7 less than Zucker and Zucker played 6 less games. Zucker also had to deal with being stuck on a line with Malkin who came into the season out of shape. Drouin is also a cancer while Zucker is a locker room leader. Again I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them. You hit the nail on the head. Tarasenko had a down year and only played 10 games the year before. He’s on his 3rd shoulder surgery. No team is going to pay a hefty price to take on damaged goods.
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    8 jui à 11 h 23
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    Quoting: Pensfan89
    Legare was still playing in the Q because the pens had no room for him on their nhl roster and weren’t going to waste a year of his contract to play him in the ahl instead. Hardly a C prospect. Drouin had 2 goals in 44 GP. That’s 7 less than Zucker and Zucker played 6 less games. Zucker also had to deal with being stuck on a line with Malkin who came into the season out of shape. Drouin is also a cancer while Zucker is a locker room leader. Again I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them. You hit the nail on the head. Tarasenko had a down year and only played 10 games the year before. He’s on his 3rd shoulder surgery. No team is going to pay a hefty price to take on damaged goods.


    yeah totally Penguins would rather let a 20 year old play in the Q (juniors) instead of letting him advance in the AHL....Penguins AHL team was terrible also so he couldn't even make that team. So only focusing on goals is intelligent lol but it fits your sad narrative. Zucker is3 years older and hada worse year than a guy that "blow" ...."Again I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them" lol i like how in your head you think the penguin logically have guys go from juniors to NHL with no buffer. Poulin is their best prospect and even he couldn't make team Canada WJ team. Its very possible that the Penguins dont have any good prospects bc they trade all them and all their 1st round picks for average players like Zucker
    8 jui à 16 h 55
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    yeah totally Penguins would rather let a 20 year old play in the Q (juniors) instead of letting him advance in the AHL....Penguins AHL team was terrible also so he couldn't even make that team. So only focusing on goals is intelligent lol but it fits your sad narrative. Zucker is3 years older and hada worse year than a guy that "blow" ...."Again I’d suggest actually knowing the players before discussing them" lol i like how in your head you think the penguin logically have guys go from juniors to NHL with no buffer. Poulin is their best prospect and even he couldn't make team Canada WJ team. Its very possible that the Penguins dont have any good prospects bc they trade all them and all their 1st round picks for average players like Zucker


    Your ignorance knows no bounds 😂. Learn hockey before actually discussing. No the pens aren’t going to waste a year of a players contract like they did with Sprong to “advance” him. You said it yourself…WBS was terrible. Why would we have Poulin and/or Legare play there? What are they going to learn? How to lose? Lol
    8 jui à 17 h 17
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    You need to give up at least something of value to the blues for Tara…. The blues will just keep him for this. The guy scores 30g and 60+P when healthy. Does Zucker even have positive trade value at this point? Maybe you could get Drouin for him 1 for 1


    Quoting: mokumboi
    Dude, that's a solid offer that the Blues would have to think about.

    Drouin, on the other hand, is a huge hell naw. Eww.


    When mukumboi, a Blues fan who I don’t think I’ve ever seen like a Pens and Blues trade says that it is a solid offer then IMO it fair to say that you’ve been proven wrong here.
    8 jui à 17 h 59
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    Modifié 8 jui à 18 h 08
    Quoting: Pensfan89
    Your ignorance knows no bounds 😂. Learn hockey before actually discussing. No the pens aren’t going to waste a year of a players contract like they did with Sprong to “advance” him. You said it yourself…WBS was terrible. Why would we have Poulin and/or Legare play there? What are they going to learn? How to lose? Lol


    Lol the irony. Bc teams would rather have their high end prospects wasting away in juniors. If he’s that good wouldn’t he make that team better. McM an actual good prospect lead the bears in points lol.


    This should help you evaluate prospect better. You seem to not fully understand how to and you are too arrogant to admit you greatly overrated him.

    https://dobberprospects.com/team/pittsburgh-penguins/
    8 jui à 18 h 04
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    Quoting: WVMountainPenguin88
    When mukumboi, a Blues fan who I don’t think I’ve ever seen like a Pens and Blues trade says that it is a solid offer then IMO it fair to say that you’ve been proven wrong here.


    He also recently said pass to a trade for Tara that involved Verhaeghe and Vatrano going to the blues. Doesn’t prove me wrong bc one guy said they would have to think about it lol
    8 jui à 18 h 48
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    Lol the irony. Bc teams would rather have their high end prospects wasting away in juniors. If he’s that good wouldn’t he make that team better. McM an actual good prospect lead the bears in points lol.


    This should help you evaluate prospect better. You seem to not fully understand how to and you are too arrogant to admit you greatly overrated him.

    https://dobberprospects.com/team/pittsburgh-penguins/


    You’re own site you shared gives Legare a 70% chance of making the nhl and hitting his expectations lol. Which gives him the same odds as pick 6-31. Making him a great prospect and on par with a mid-late first round pick. Maybe you should learn to understand the sites you use lol.
    To make it easy for you. They list his nhl certainty at 7.0 which equals 70% chance he makes the nhl and hits the level they expect him to hit. The graph below shows they expect him to reach 2nd liner potential in the nhl lol. So they believe he has a 70% chance to reach that level.
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    8 jui à 18 h 58
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    He also recently said pass to a trade for Tara that involved Verhaeghe and Vatrano going to the blues. Doesn’t prove me wrong bc one guy said they would have to think about it lol


    No but your own link did lol
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    8 jui à 20 h 30
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    Quoting: WVMountainPenguin88
    No but your own link did lol


    I died laughing when they brought up McMichael for Washington as an example. I guess they forgot that McMichael played in the OHL which cancelled its season allowing all ohl players that were eligible for another slide year (like McMichael) could play in the ahl and it not count as a year used on their contract lol. Had the OHL not cancelled their season, McMichael is sent to the OHL 😂. Washington just got lucky there.
    8 jui à 20 h 54
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    Quoting: Pensfan89
    You’re own site you shared gives Legare a 70% chance of making the nhl and hitting his expectations lol. Which gives him the same odds as pick 6-31. Making him a great prospect and on par with a mid-late first round pick. Maybe you should learn to understand the sites you use lol.
    To make it easy for you. They list his nhl certainty at 7.0 which equals 70% chance he makes the nhl and hits the level they expect him to hit. The graph below shows they expect him to reach 2nd liner potential in the nhl lol. So they believe he has a 70% chance to reach that level.


    Quoting: WVMountainPenguin88
    No but your own link did lol


    JFC the site has him as being a 70% chance of ever playing in the NHL. That’s not a B+ prospect. Learn to use the site. His potential caps at 2nd line POTENTIAL when he was drafted he was projected to be 1st line level but quickly declined as the graph shows. B+ prospect are rated much much higher than that lol

    He’s ranked the same as Pilon lol. I tried to show you a link that will help you compare and contrast prospects but it was too difficult for you to understand. I’m lmfao bc you thought this kid was solid but he’s ranked as high as the Pilon who isn’t even a top 5 prospect for Washington. Woof
    8 jui à 21 h 02
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    Quoting: Pensfan89
    I died laughing when they brought up McMichael for Washington as an example. I guess they forgot that McMichael played in the OHL which cancelled its season allowing all ohl players that were eligible for another slide year (like McMichael) could play in the ahl and it not count as a year used on their contract lol. Had the OHL not cancelled their season, McMichael is sent to the OHL 😂. Washington just got lucky there.


    I died laughing when he refereed to Legare as a B+ prospect. I used Mcmichael as an example bc he’s actually a good prospect. If Legare is in the Q bc of junior eligibility than he should have said that instead of they are strategically keeping him there to not burn years off his contract. The irony is he had no clue that’s why if that’s even the reason why. Lmfao died laughing what a dramatic statement
     
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