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Tkachuk

Créé par: Pensfan60
Date de création initiale: jui 6, 2021
Publié: 6 jui à 20 h 44
Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Blueger, Teddy42 000 000 $
Zohorna, Radim2875 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Coleman, Blake44 000 000 $
Hakanpää, Jani21 600 000 $
Perry, Corey1750 000 $
Mrázek, Petr23 000 000 $
Transactions
PIT
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
CGY
  1. Guentzel, Jake
  2. Légaré, Nathan
  3. 2022 1e round pick (PIT)
PIT
    SEA
    1. Aston-Reese, Zach [Droits de RFA]
    PIT
    1. 2021 3e round pick (ANA)
    Any team
    ANA
    1. Zucker, Jason
    PIT
    1. 2021 5e round pick (WPG)
    2. 2022 5e round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Pettersson, Marcus
    PIT
    1. 2021 6e round pick (WSH)
    Any team
    WSH
    1. Friedman, Mark
    PIT
    1. 2022 3e round pick (ARI)
    Any team
    ARI
    1. DeSmith, Casey
    Rachats de contrats
    • Jack Johnson: 1 166 667 $
    Enfoui
    • Juuso Riikola: 25 000 $ (1 150 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    PIT
    ANA
    PIT
    WPG
    WSH
    PIT
    WSH
    ANA
    2022
    PIT
    ARI
    PIT
    PIT
    WPG
    PIT
    PIT
    2023
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $80 994 697 $0 $212 500 $505 303 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    7 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Crosby, Sidney
    8 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    2 940 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Malkin, Evgeni
    9 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    3 200 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Coleman, Blake
    4 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    PIT
    Carter, Jeff
    2 636 364 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Poulin, Samuel
    863 333 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 3
    PIT
    Tanev, Brandon
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Blueger, Teddy
    2 000 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    Perry, Corey
    750 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    PIT
    Dumoulin, Brian
    4 100 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Letang, Kris
    7 250 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    Mrázek, Petr
    3 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Marino, John
    4 400 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 6
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Matheson, Michael
    4 875 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Hakanpää, Jani
    1 600 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    PIT
    Ruhwedel, Chad
    750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Zohorna, Radim
    875 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2

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    6 jui à 20 h 45
    #1
    Rejoint: sep 2020
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    Isn't available. He doesn't want out so we aren't trading him
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    6 jui à 20 h 47
    #2
    Rejoint: jan 2017
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    Love both Tkachuks but thats a lot
    LetsGoPens69 a aimé ceci.
    6 jui à 20 h 48
    #3
    Démarrer sujet
    Cody ceci stan
    Rejoint: mai 2021
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    Yeah I honestly wouldn’t do it but i think that’s what it would take to get him
    LetsGoPens69 a aimé ceci.
    6 jui à 20 h 49
    #4
    Hockey Super Genius
    Rejoint: jun 2015
    Messages: 3,133
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    Broshakes head
    6 jui à 20 h 49
    #5
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    Cody ceci stan
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    Quoting: ChampEddy
    Love both Tkachuks but thats a lot


    Quoting: ChampEddy
    Love both Tkachuks but thats a lot

    Yeah I honestly wouldn’t do it but i think that’s what it would take to get him
    LetsGoPens69 a aimé ceci.
    6 jui à 20 h 54
    #6
    Rejoint: fév 2021
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    Wait till Calgary fans get on his thread!! Lol.

    I did ACGM’s with Guentzel, Poulin and 2022 1st round pick for Tkuchuk and they hated that return.

    I even did Guentzel, Poulin, Marino, and a 2022 1st round pick for Tkuchuk and Tanev and they hated it!! Lol.

    And Tkuchuk is due a 9M offer sheet this upcoming offseason.

    Guentzel, Poulin and a 1st round pick for a player not even signed long term. Ya, that would do it.

    Him being a RFA has value but not as much as a long term deal.
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    6 jui à 20 h 55
    #7
    Rejoint: fév 2021
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Isn't available. He doesn't want out so we aren't trading him



    “We” arnt trading him..Dude must be apart of the team!!
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    6 jui à 21 h 01
    #8
    Vegan Commie Hipster
    Rejoint: oct 2020
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    Quoting: LetsGoPens69
    “We” arnt trading him..Dude must be apart of the team!!


    Oh he's just the decider of everything here

    The czar of cap friendly

    Or something 🙃
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    6 jui à 21 h 03
    #9
    Rejoint: fév 2021
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Oh he's just the decider of everything here

    The czar of cap friendly

    Or something 🙃


    People get their feelings so hurt about another fans “idea”.

    “He doenst want out” too. Must have talked to Tkuchuk.
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    6 jui à 21 h 04
    #10
    Vegan Commie Hipster
    Rejoint: oct 2020
    Messages: 5,818
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    Everyone focused on Tkachuk but me... I'm too much of a 😎 hipster 😎 for that so I'll critique the Friedman deal: he seems more of a 'future considerations' guy
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    6 jui à 21 h 17
    #11
    CGY
    Rejoint: déc 2015
    Messages: 4,695
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    The Flames are likely a year away from trading Tkachuk.

    If they do trade him, it's because the 21/22 season went poorly and the team is likely looking for a new GM.

    If that happens, the Flames will likely be rebuilding and as good as Guentzal is, I don't know that he;d fit with the trajectory of the Flames. They'd likely be looking for picks and prospects
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    6 jui à 21 h 34
    #12
    Rejoint: jun 2019
    Messages: 19,071
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    Quoting: LetsGoPens69
    Wait till Calgary fans get on his thread!! Lol.

    I did ACGM’s with Guentzel, Poulin and 2022 1st round pick for Tkuchuk and they hated that return.

    I even did Guentzel, Poulin, Marino, and a 2022 1st round pick for Tkuchuk and Tanev and they hated it!! Lol.

    And Tkuchuk is due a 9M offer sheet this upcoming offseason.

    Guentzel, Poulin and a 1st round pick for a player not even signed long term. Ya, that would do it.

    Him being a RFA has value but not as much as a long term deal.


    Unless you deleted those threads you never made those offers.

    As for the trade posted here, no logic for either team. Flames simply have no reason to move Tkachuk for anything but a legitimate 1C (in their prime), whereas Pittsburgh has arguably the worst prospect pool in the league and should not be gutting it for a mostly irrelevant upgrade to Crosby's winger
    6 jui à 21 h 35
    #13
    Rejoint: nov 2019
    Messages: 2,059
    Mentions "j'aime": 678
    Flames very very very easily decline that garbage trade
    6 jui à 21 h 47
    #14
    Rejoint: fév 2021
    Messages: 1,420
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    Modifié 6 jui à 22 h 39
    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Unless you deleted those threads you never made those offers.

    As for the trade posted here, no logic for either team. Flames simply have no reason to move Tkachuk for anything but a legitimate 1C (in their prime), whereas Pittsburgh has arguably the worst prospect pool in the league and should not be gutting it for a mostly irrelevant upgrade to Crosby's winger


    Very similar trades. I had Thachuk for Guentzel, Poulin, Tanev, and a 1st. Which is even more..lol.


    Edited ***sorry it was a 2nd.
    6 jui à 21 h 48
    #15
    Rejoint: jun 2019
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    Quoting: LetsGoPens69
    Very similar trades. I had Thachuk for Guentzel, Poulin, Tanev, and a 1st. Which is even more..lol.


    I looked and couldn't find that
    6 jui à 22 h 11
    #16
    Rejoint: fév 2021
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I looked and couldn't find that


    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/464946


    IMO, if Pens can get Tkachuk for Guentzel, Poulin and a 1st. They should do it.

    Take it from a pens fan, the only time u miss draft picks is around draft time..lol.

    Teams that are in the SC hunt and competitive every year, don’t have prospect development as a top priority. Although it is important. But, u only have a certain window to go for it.

    Once it closes, the franchise just has to tank right. Trade off every asset on the team. And get 3-4 years of top 3-5 picks. The franchise is back.

    The system should be one of the tops In the league if u do it right. Gets picks/prospects for all your assets. And top picks in 3-5 consecutive years. 3-5 top 5 picks and 3-5 high 2nd picks. And the late 1st, etc, you get for your tradable assets. Just like the LA kings did.

    But u just can’t have a top 3 pick and then next season barley miss the play-off or have a .500 record and Draft in those 8-16 spots.

    That’s where all the busts and mistakes are made. You want to stay out of there. It’s not a good place to be. Either in the play-offs, or tank, thats what fans should be hoping for now.
    .
    You can’t fall in love with draft picks and prospects when u have a play-off team and a window. You have to go all-in. And worry about the rest as it comes.

    I think the Sens fans now are so enamored with their prospects and the draft. That they like the draft process and prospects more than winning and winning a SC..lol.

    Sens should be trading Stuetzle and this 10 overall
    Pick along with M.Murray for Eichel. A top, elite C and their rebuild is over. They could start competing this season.

    B.Tkachuk/Eichel/Batherson
    C.Brown/J.Norris/Dadonov
    Formenton/C.Tierney/C.White
    N.Paul/Pinto/Watson

    Chabot/Zaitsev
    Sanderson/Zub
    Brannstrom/J.Brown

    *And still a ton of cap space.

    That’s a competitive team for the next 4-8 seasons. They can stop their rebuild right now with 1 trade. You do it!!
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    6 jui à 22 h 26
    #17
    Rejoint: jun 2019
    Messages: 19,071
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    Quoting: LetsGoPens69
    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/464946


    IMO, if Pens can get Tkachuk for Guentzel, Poulin and a 1st. They should do it.

    Take it from a pens fan, the only time u miss draft picks is around draft time..lol.

    Teams that are in the SC hunt and competitive every year, don’t have prospect development as a top priority. Although it is important. But, u only have a certain window to go for it.

    Once it closes, the franchise just has to tank right. Trade off every asset on the team. And get 3-4 years of top 3-5 picks. The franchise is back.

    The system should be one of the tops In the league if u do it right. Gets picks/prospects for all your assets. And top picks in 3-5 consecutive years. 3-5 top 5 picks and 3-5 high 2nd picks. And the late 1st, etc, you get for your tradable assets. Just like the LA kings did.

    But u just can’t have a top 3 pick and then next season barley miss the play-off or have a .500 record and Draft in those 8-16 spots.

    That’s where all the busts and mistakes are made. You want to stay out of there. It’s not a good place to be. Either in the play-offs, or tank, thats what fans should be hoping for now.
    .
    You can’t fall in love with draft picks and prospects when u have a play-off team and a window. You have to go all-in. And worry about the rest as it comes.

    I think the Sens fans now are so enamored with their prospects and the draft. That they like the draft process and prospects more than winning and winning a SC..lol.

    Sens should be trading Stuetzle and this 10 overall
    Pick along with M.Murray for Eichel. A top, elite C and their rebuild is over. They could start competing this season.

    B.Tkachuk/Eichel/Batherson
    C.Brown/J.Norris/Dadonov
    Formenton/C.Tierney/C.White
    N.Paul/Pinto/Watson

    Chabot/Zaitsev
    Sanderson/Zub
    Brannstrom/J.Brown

    *And still a ton of cap space.

    That’s a competitive team for the next 4-8 seasons. They can stop their rebuild right now with 1 trade. You do it!!


    BTW that trade had a 2nd, not a 1st
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    6 jui à 22 h 38
    #18
    Rejoint: fév 2021
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    BTW that trade had a 2nd, not a 1st


    Ya, I edited my previous post saying it was a 2nd and not a 1st. U probably didn’t see it after it was edited. Sorry.

    Comment #14.
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    7 jui à 9 h 30
    #19
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    Cody ceci stan
    Rejoint: mai 2021
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    Quoting: flamesfan
    Flames very very very easily decline that garbage trade


    Quoting: flamesfan
    Flames very very very easily decline that garbage trade
    lol a above ppg 40 goal scorer, a solid prospect and a first is a garbage trade. Sure they might not acdept it but that isnt gabage

    Quoting: flamesfan
    Flames very very very easily decline that garbage trade
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    7 jui à 10 h 40
    #20
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    Quoting: LetsGoPens69
    “We” arnt trading him..Dude must be apart of the team!!


    How lucky we are to have a member of an actual NHL organization here on this site to let us what the teams will be doing! Makes everything simpler. ✔
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