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Stay Golden

Créé par: mac11_716
Date de création initiale: jui 4, 2021
Publié: 5 jui à 12 h 10
Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Reinhart, Sam67 500 000 $
Mittelstadt, Casey31 500 000 $
Jokiharju, Henri31 500 000 $
Asplund, Rasmus3900 000 $
Borgen, William3900 000 $
Dahlin, Rasmus34 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Bernier, Jonathan12 500 000 $
Sheahan, Riley1850 000 $
McCabe, Jake32 500 000 $
Transactions
BUF
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. Fleury, Marc-André
  4. Glass, Cody
  5. 2021 1e round pick (VGK)
  6. 2022 1e round pick (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Fleury flipped to another team while retaining salary
VGK
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Thompson, Tage
  3. 2021 6e round pick (COL)
BUF
  1. Légaré, Nathan
  2. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
Détails additionnels:
Buffalo retains $3.5m
BUF
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
  2. Määttä, Olli
  3. 2021 1e round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  2. Reinhart, Sam
  3. 2021 2e round pick (BOS)
BUF
    SEA
    1. Eakin, Cody
    2. 2021 3e round pick (MTL)
    Détails additionnels:
    Expansion
    BUF
    1. 2021 3e round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Määttä, Olli
    BUF
    1. Johnson, Tyler
    2. 2022 1e round pick (TBL)
    TBL
    1. 2022 7e round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Kuemper, Darcy
    2. Crouse, Lawson
    ARI
    1. Miller, Colin
    2. Bjork, Anders
    3. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
    • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    BUF
    VGK
    LAK
    BUF
    FLA
    WPG
    BUF
    MTL
    BUF
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    VGK
    TBL
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $56 365 833 $0 $2 550 000 $25 134 167 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    9 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    LAK
    Vilardi, Gabriel
    894 167 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    VGK
    Tuch, Alex
    4 750 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 5
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    3 050 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    894 167 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Johnson, Tyler
    5 000 000 $
    AD, C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    925 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    1 500 000 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    VGK
    Glass, Cody
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    900 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    6 000 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Sheahan, Riley
    850 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    2 200 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    4 500 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    1 500 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
    Bernier, Jonathan
    2 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    889 166 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    900 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Samuelsson, Mattias
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    2 500 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 4

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    5 jui à 12 h 14
    #1
    Rejoint: jui 2021
    Messages: 15
    Mentions "j'aime": 5
    Nice if focusing on picks, but lacking in some positions.
    5 jui à 12 h 24
    #2
    Lenny7
    Rejoint: jan 2017
    Messages: 7,963
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,358
    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":

    Krebs (1st)
    Glass (1st...value may have dropped, but still a very cheap, young roster player with a bunch of years of control left that has plenty of upside)
    Tuch (1st+2nd or 3rd, or 1st+decent prospect?)
    MAF (I'd say 1st, based on the whole Vezina thing this year, but given the 1 year of control/his age, let's say a 2nd?)
    2 x 1st.

    So, on the low end, you could peg this deal at five(!!!) 1st round picks, one 2nd, and a 3rd. That's a pretty excessive overpay given the declining market for Eichel right now, even if you're including Tage.
    OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
    5 jui à 12 h 28
    #3
    Hockey Super Genius
    Rejoint: jun 2015
    Messages: 3,133
    Mentions "j'aime": 785
    Pens say NOPE
    5 jui à 12 h 48
    #4
    Shibbal18
    Rejoint: jan 2016
    Messages: 18,307
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,421
    MAF and TJ dont waive.
    5 jui à 12 h 51
    #5
    Shibbal18
    Rejoint: jan 2016
    Messages: 18,307
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,421
    Quoting: Lenny7
    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).


    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

    Quoting: Lenny7

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":


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    5 jui à 13 h 03
    #6
    Rejoint: jun 2019
    Messages: 485
    Mentions "j'aime": 74
    Who are the sabres drafting in the first round?
    5 jui à 13 h 18
    #7
    Démarrer sujet
    Rejoint: jun 2018
    Messages: 91
    Mentions "j'aime": 21
    Quoting: DraftCentralMP
    Who are the sabres drafting in the first round?


    In real life, they're taking Power first and want Eklund if they can get another first. Personally I want Beniers. From what I have read/heard, they value this class.
    5 jui à 13 h 58
    #8
    Lenny7
    Rejoint: jan 2017
    Messages: 7,963
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,358
    Quoting: Shibbal18
    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no



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    Hahaha, alright...so, instead of that, we can do the whole "Top 6 winger+top prospect+young roster player with plenty of upside+2 x 1st+1 year of Vezina goalie" instead. Does that seem less insane than the return that's posted above?
    OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
    5 jui à 14 h 08
    #9
    Rejoint: jui 2020
    Messages: 4,323
    Mentions "j'aime": 1,615
    With a bad contract and being a rental LD, I can't see the Jets having any interest in Maatta.
    5 jui à 14 h 37
    #10
    First NY Then LA
    Rejoint: jun 2018
    Messages: 20,489
    Mentions "j'aime": 10,660
    Quoting: Lenny7
    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":

    Krebs (1st)
    Glass (1st...value may have dropped, but still a very cheap, young roster player with a bunch of years of control left that has plenty of upside)
    Tuch (1st+2nd or 3rd, or 1st+decent prospect?)
    MAF (I'd say 1st, based on the whole Vezina thing this year, but given the 1 year of control/his age, let's say a 2nd?)
    2 x 1st.

    So, on the low end, you could peg this deal at five(!!!) 1st round picks, one 2nd, and a 3rd. That's a pretty excessive overpay given the declining market for Eichel right now, even if you're including Tage.


    No. According to Buffalo fans, the ask was 7 first-round-draft-pick values, but they'll take 6.

    Which is why you and I are out of this market.
    Lenny7 a aimé ceci.
    5 jui à 15 h 08
    #11
    First NY Then LA
    Rejoint: jun 2018
    Messages: 20,489
    Mentions "j'aime": 10,660
    Quoting: Shibbal18
    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no



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    So, for the record, was the ask for (a) more, or (b) less than four first-round picks?
    5 jui à 16 h 11
    #12
    Shibbal18
    Rejoint: jan 2016
    Messages: 18,307
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,421
    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    So, for the record, was the ask for (a) more, or (b) less than four first-round picks?


    That wasnt a thing, it was never a thing. It was a garbage internet rumor people latched on too so they could set their Chel gm meter. The value is the value, you get there by addressing Buffalo's needs, no equivalent to 4 1st rounders childish garbage

    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    No. According to Buffalo fans, the ask was 7 first-round-draft-pick values, but they'll take 6.

    Which is why you and I are out of this market.


    Love this strawman, especially in reference to me
    5 jui à 16 h 52
    #13
    First NY Then LA
    Rejoint: jun 2018
    Messages: 20,489
    Mentions "j'aime": 10,660
    Quoting: Shibbal18
    That wasnt a thing, it was never a thing. It was a garbage internet rumor people latched on too so they could set their Chel gm meter. The value is the value, you get there by addressing Buffalo's needs, no equivalent to 4 1st rounders childish garbage


    Says the guy whose last proposal to Las Vegas was for Tuch, Krebs, Glass, the 2021 first (there's at least four first-round-pick values right there, even conservatively), plus Reilly Smith and Ryan Reaves.

    It's irrelevant whether the quote of Kevyn Adams is accurate or not. Us SoCal guys evaluate Eichel trades by what the equivalent values are. You can deny all you want that Kevyn Adams ever said that, but the bottom line is that Buffalo proposals are always for more than four first-round-pick values. What I find especially pernicious is your comrades' constant evaluation of a top-10 pick as just another first-rounder (as if Los Angeles would trade #8 for Minnesota's two picks) while pooh-poohing the value of any pick after #16 as "not really a first-round pick." (To be fair, I'm not including you in this group at all.) FYI, I consider a top-10 pick as worth two first-round-pick values and a pick in the 21 to 32 range as a 0.75 first-round-pick value. Nobody in his right mind thinks that Seth Jones and Columbus' two late first-rounders is an equitable trade for Eichel. But you'll be hard-pressed to find any Buffalo ACGM offer for Eichel that is less than 5 first-round-pick values, and I don't think that's coincidental.
    Lenny7 a aimé ceci.
    5 jui à 17 h 01
    #14
    Shibbal18
    Rejoint: jan 2016
    Messages: 18,307
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,421
    Modifié 5 jui à 17 h 07
    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    (there's at least four first-round-pick values right there, even conservatively)


    Omfg... this is entirely my point
     
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