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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
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Publié: 5 juill. 2021
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    What's Smith worth as a cap dump of sorts? I look at the Schmidt trade last year but the situation is different (less term but coming off a worse season at a less valuable position)
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    I'd want a pick in return given the extra year on his contract and the number of possible trade partners.
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    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 1
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    To me, He's like a cap dump
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    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 2
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    Arvidsson got a second and a third (surprisingly) and he's had two pretty meh years with 3 years remaining. Personally I like Smith more, but I'm guessing it should be about the same. Hard to say how motivated they are to trade him in particular though.
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    Quoting: ApparentlyOilFan
    To me, He's like a cap dump


    I don't entirely disagree but so was Schmidt and he still returned an asset. So would your opinion be Vegas would need to give up a pick to be rid of him or just that the Oilers should be able to get him for nothing?
    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 6
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    Don't know if the Oilers should want/trade for Smith. To me he's in the category of a lower end top 6 forward. Maybe such as guys like Palat, Saad, Hoffmann, Toffoli, Pearson (not saying they're all of equal value, but they're not superstars). But in my opinions still a bit below these guys. Given VGK situation he's more of a cap dump and if not cap dump EDM could really squeeze VGK because they desperately have to get rid of guys. Implying that there are no other trade partners interesed. But that's what I'm saying. I don't know how much interest Smith would draw
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    Quoting: Boldirev
    Arvidsson got a second and a third (surprisingly) and he's had two pretty meh years with 3 years remaining. Personally I like Smith more, but I'm guessing it should be about the same. Hard to say how motivated they are to trade him in particular though.


    Hmm, I don't think I equate the two. I get the point you're making but Vegas and Nashville are trading from different positions (needing cap space Vs rebuilding). That must influence things somewhat, wouldn't you say? I also think the term is a positive for LA acquiring Arvy given his age.
    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 7
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    I don't entirely disagree but so was Schmidt and he still returned an asset. So would your opinion be Vegas would need to give up a pick to be rid of him or just that the Oilers should be able to get him for nothing?

    I think they should give up a pick for it. I mean, Jesse Puljujarvi has the same amount of points as Smith. and look how much Smith makes more than Pulju. I would not target him at all
    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 9
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    Quoting: Luke_xiv
    Don't know if the Oilers should want/trade for Smith. To me he's in the category of a lower end top 6 forward. Maybe such as guys like Palat, Saad, Hoffmann, Toffoli, Pearson (not saying they're all of equal value, but they're not superstars). But in my opinions still a bit below these guys. Given VGK situation he's more of a cap dump and if not cap dump EDM could really squeeze VGK because they desperately have to get rid of guys. Implying that there are no other trade partners interesed. But that's what I'm saying. I don't know how much interest Smith would draw


    I'd disagree that they wouldn't be interested, but it's not based on anything concrete. I just think those lower-end top-6 Fs that can be had for cheap should be the Oilers' target given they don't have the extra assets to pursue the higher-end ones. Your opinion is that the Oilers should be able to push to get a pick in return, then?
    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 10
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    If Vegas os moving Smith withing the division they will ask for an overpay or want a top 6 center upgrade on CS
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    5 juill. 2021 à 10 h 11
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    I could see him being moved in a package for a top 6 center to balance the cap. If he's traded alone, the Schmidt/Stastny trades could be good comparables
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    Quoting: ApparentlyOilFan
    I think they should give up a pick for it. I mean, Jesse Puljujarvi has the same amount of points as Smith. and look how much Smith makes more than Pulju. I would not target him at all


    That's comparing two different situations. Jesse's contract isn't actual market value for his production/skill. Conversely, Smith is only 1 year removed from 3 consecutive 50-60 point seasons and lost some offensive opportunity to Tuch this past year- still plenty of skill in him, in my opinion. However, if you're not keen on him, I won't try to persuade you too hard Sticking Out Tongue
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    That's comparing two different situations. Jesse's contract isn't actual market value for his production/skill. Conversely, Smith is only 1 year removed from 3 consecutive 50-60 point seasons and lost some offensive opportunity to Tuch this past year- still plenty of skill in him, in my opinion. However, if you're not keen on him, I won't try to persuade you too hard Sticking Out Tongue

    I just used that situation to tell you that we can spend our 5 million on other good players rather than smith
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    If Vegas os moving Smith withing the division they will ask for an overpay or want a top 6 center upgrade on CS


    Perhaps, but I don't think the ask would be THAT high. However, tough to say with in-division trades.
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    I just used that situation to tell you that we can spend our 5 million on other good players rather than smith


    And I think Smith is a good player that won't require the term commitment of a UFA or the asset cost of a trade (for Palat, for example). That being said, I'd also be fine with pursuing guys like Palat or KIllorn.
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    I see you signed Patrik Nemeth.
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    I don't entirely disagree but so was Schmidt and he still returned an asset. So would your opinion be Vegas would need to give up a pick to be rid of him or just that the Oilers should be able to get him for nothing?


    Everyone likes to forget Schmidt was moved in order for Vegas to sign Pietrangelo. If Vegas didn't make a move they couldn't legally sign Pietrangelo. So no moving Smith isn't the same as Schmidt.

    On the other side Smith did have one of his worst seasons after having one of his best seasons. Smith is also one of Vegas' top PK and PP forward. Thinking that Smith has no value just tells me that you don't watch many Vegas games.
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    Everyone likes to forget Schmidt was moved in order for Vegas to sign Pietrangelo. If Vegas didn't make a move they couldn't legally sign Pietrangelo. So no moving Smith isn't the same as Schmidt.

    On the other side Smith did have one of his worst seasons after having one of his best seasons. Smith is also one of Vegas' top PK and PP forward. Thinking that Smith has no value just tells me that you don't watch many Vegas games.


    At what point did I suggest he has no value? The entire post is titled with the aim of ascertaining what people's opinions of Smith's value is.

    I also fail to see how this would be much different from Schmidt. This offseason, I imagine they'll be looking to upgrade at C and, to do so, they'll likely need to open up some cap space. Trading Smith is one way to do so. Maybe it isn't the path they take (I imagine Fleury may be someone they also consider moving), but who knows.
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    I see you signed Patrik Nemeth.


    What can I say? I like what he brings smile
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    What can I say? I like what he brings smile


    He sure brought Vegas a nice goal!
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    At what point did I suggest he has no value? The entire post is titled with the aim of ascertaining what people's opinions of Smith's value is.

    I also fail to see how this would be much different from Schmidt. This offseason, I imagine they'll be looking to upgrade at C and, to do so, they'll likely need to open up some cap space. Trading Smith is one way to do so. Maybe it isn't the path they take (I imagine Fleury may be someone they also consider moving), but who knows.


    You used Schmidt as a comparable so that tells me that you are writing off Smith because no one remembers context of trades only the outcome.

    Vegas has 4M filling the roster with existing players. Add in 10% over the cap and Vegas is in a completely different situation than when they moved Schmidt. Vegas could pick up Eichel and not need to move salary in the offseason opposed to picking up Pietrangelo forcing Vegas to move a player to sign him.

    Schmidt also was being replaced by a better player so losing him for a 4th was the cost of Pietrangelo.

    Smith's value is 20 goals and 50-60 points a season baseline. Top PK, plays PP and a really good two way player. I see his value being a 2nd to 2nd +
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    I really like Smith, and I think we should 100% target him, he would likely come cheaper than he's worth too because of vegas' cap situation. Plus they have tuch in the bottom 6 so it makes sense to trade him.
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    Hmm, I don't think I equate the two. I get the point you're making but Vegas and Nashville are trading from different positions (needing cap space Vs rebuilding). That must influence things somewhat, wouldn't you say? I also think the term is a positive for LA acquiring Arvy given his age.


    They are trading from different positions, but they don't actually have to trade Smith and by all accounts they value him. Straight up he is a better player than Arvidsson IMO and has been much more versatile.
    I'm shocked Arvidsson cost a 2nd and a 3rd......Smith is at the very least a 2nd though.
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    Canes will most likely only want picks for Foegele, that is unless he is involved in a package deal, for maybe, just throwing a name out, forsberg.
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    Canes will most likely only want picks for Foegele, that is unless he is involved in a package deal, for maybe, just throwing a name out, forsberg.


    I mean I don't see us getting more than a 2nd and Stalock is buriable, so it's pretty much in line with most CapFriendly post
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    Quoting: SupremeBone
    And I think Smith is a good player that won't require the term commitment of a UFA or the asset cost of a trade (for Palat, for example). That being said, I'd also be fine with pursuing guys like Palat or KIllorn.

    If I had to target of of these players: Smith, Palat, Killorn, I'd target Killorn
     
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