Ducks easily decline that

I think you’d have to make the Vegas 3rd the Chicago 2nd this year at minimum do Lindholm. Even then it’s hard to see ANA moving Lindholm.

ANA can get more for Lindholm, but I do like idea of acquiring him.

Don't think they "easily decline" that. Lindholm is a rental, he's also not a top 20 defensive player in the NHL. He's good, but in a flat cap world, it's a lot of cap to take on and a lot of risk with him being a free agent. I bet the Ducks move him as it's also hard to imagine him in their rebuild plans.

Strome conversely is not only a cost controlled, but being a young 24 year old RFA and a center which the Ducks need, his career is locked to the acquiring team or the Hawks if he stays.

I'm looking at this trade based on draft value equally being a late 1st and a 3rd. Maybe remove the 3rd and include Beaudin, but I don't think it's that far off.

A couple of points. I do agree that Strome has more value than most people on Capfriendly give him. With that said, ANA can maximize value at the TDL and retain 50% of the cap. They'll get a haul back. a 1st plus a prospect IMO. With that said. I'd be willing to send Strome and Vlasic. I think both CHI and ANA would prefer Vlasic over Beaudin. Vlasic being a large body defensive dman would be a great fit long term next to Drysdale.

Vlasic could be a good option for the Ducks as well. I also think Kurashev could be in the deal but his value IMO is more given he's only 21 years old and his first season showed he's going to be a good 2 way player. Players that could be included; Kurashev, Nylander, Beaudin, Vlassic, Gaudette, Borgstrom all realistically are options but with varying degree of value of course.

Canucks say yes!

Definitely going to have to add in the Anaheim trade, but it's the direction the team should be taking.

I think Exo makes the most important point here, which is that Lindholm's value is greater to Anaheim than any other team currently. Without him, what are they left with? Cam Fowler, and the grossly overpaid ghost of Kevin Shattenkirk? Everyone loves Josh Manson because he lays the body, but he isn't all that great a defenseman...

On the flip side, they have a ton of RFAs to sign, Max Comtois, Jones, Steel, Lundestrom, and that's minimum requirements. There's four others they may or may not sign. And then Baldy, his big contract just ended, so he'll likely be taking another one with them, for less yeah, but probably in the 4-5 range. And they're still carrying Kesler's dead weight, as well as 2 mil of Perry's contract.

So it would seem more likely that if they can get a good return for Lindholm, they'll send him off to make room for signings. But that return has to be better than what he's worth, optically, for even someone as dumb as Bob Murray. So I agree that you've got to put a better offer forward, but it isn't like you are wildly off.

Most importantly, Ducks are at the bottom of the rebuild process and about to start their climb. Lindholm and or Manson both are 1 year UFAs and can't see why either player at their age wants to wait around another 5 years to become a contender. In the same breathe, why wouldn't the Ducks move at least 1 or both to help accelerate their rebuild? They have to be thinking 4 to 6 years out which means going after players 25 years and younger.

They have a pretty good prospect pool/young guys and the 3rd pick OA this year will only add to that with a player like Hughes, Evidsson, Clarke being options if they don't get Beniers. Notably, outside of Zegras, they don't necessarily have another top 6 center save for Lundestrom being a surprise. Strome fills a hole for sure.

On D, they have notable young prospect/players such as...
Drysdale, Mahura, Thrun, LaCombe

Manson and Lindholm are just not the right timetable for their rebuild IMO. That doesn't mean they will sell cheap, but I think Lindholm is very good, but overrated here. He's worth a late 1st and a good (not great) prospect IMO. So Strome + Kurashev or Beaudin or Vlasic or Nylander should get a deal done IMO and a good move for both teams.

I'm down with your evaluation, I just don't think Bob Murray would be. They chose to keep Lindholm over Vatenen back when the discussion was "who's our real 1D and who is going to falter?" They chose Lindholm wisely, and I just don't think GMBM wants to move on from his current #1D and turn their team into a complete and total clown car until they have to. The TDL seems like a far more viable time for him to part with Lindholm, and get a better return.

Without Lindholm they are... a strong candidate for Shane Wright and Brad Lambert!

Many have commented on the Lindholm deal at the time i'm seeing this and you have already responded to them, so i'll set that one aside. The rest of the moves look good to me. I am in favor of a Saad reunion pt 3 but I think it's unlikley. I also think if we want to compete we need a better 3rd line, but we are probably better off using next year to asses what we have so i'm alright with not bringing anyone in there

Are those the big shot names for '22? I really don't look into that at all until the current draft is over. Insufficient headspace.

I'm still pissed that Stan did that ****, and I think there is literally no chance in hell Saad ever chooses to come to Chicago again. And who can blame him?

Yes. I myself am inclined to tank for the next two years because the top of the 1st round is supposed to be between franchise and generational talents for 2022 and 2023. I don't really see the point in toiling in the middle any longer because most upgrades we make are going to make us 3 seeds at best. But thats an entirely different subject. If Anaheim is inclined on selling, then 2022 and 2023 are pretty golden opportunities to do so.

Yeah, I don't think lindhom hangs around in Anaheim though; why would he? Anaheim is 4 to 6 years away from competing, isn't a huge hockey market, and their stadium is not in a great area and most of the big contract players live in better parts of OC and have to deal with an hour plus commute to get to the stadium...minor but matters. Lindholm probably walks to get a bigger contract with a bigger hockey town with a team that is closer to competing.