So essentially your offer for Kuznetsov is Ryan Hartman and a third, AND we retain 1.3 mil for 4 years?

I mean, you have to realize there’s no value here for the caps at all.

If I was the leafs I would never pay that much for Dumba. Between Dumba already being there for expansion- so I don't think his value is that high- and Reilly for the leafs being the same kind of player, I would not do it. The Predators wanted the "Muzzin" return for Ekholm last year. This is higher than that and I think Ekholm is a better player. If the leafs were to give this up, they would target something higher than Dumba I think.

Moreover, I know the Caps are down on the guy, but no one is that down on a guy. And I'm saying this as someone that really likes Hartman.

I mean can you tell me his value? cuz at the moment it is at an all time low. I don't think anybody wants to give a great prospect or a 1st for him. You're right that it should be more with the retention, but objectively (and not as a fan of the team) what would you say he's worth.

Imo the team definitely needs to get a legitimate top 4 RHD. Holl is solid but Idk if he's meant to be a guy who logs 20+ minutes in the playoffs on a long run, I see him more as a 3rd pair guy on a championship team. Furthermore I don't think the Leafs are giving up an insane value for Dumba, especially if he's at just a 4.8mil cap hit, he will more than likely outperform that deal. If you look at the values of the Leafs players; Kerfoot is probably worth just a 3rd rn, Holl probably would fetch a 2nd and a solid prospect, and then there's the 2022 1st (in yes a pretty good class). So basically it equates to Dumba on a really solid 2 year deal for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a solid prospect.
I know the Leafs probably don't want to make another 'big move' regarding the defence but something has to be done for this team to take it to the next level. With growth from their key forward core members and with arguably the best top 4 the team could probably ice given their salary structure (Rielly-Brodie, & Muzzin-Dumba).

Except defence was not even remotely close to their issue. You keep mentioning this next level thing, but I really don't know what that means. I do know that I am almost certain no one is hitting the next level by getting Dumba. I really don't mean to sound rude, but I'm just of the opinion that he really is not that good. He is a solid 4, and he is a fine Off Dman, and I'm sure on a team that really needs to fix up their defence and puck transition he would be fine, but I don't see it with the leafs.

Kuznetsov is a number 1 center for a contending team. Everyone will throw out “oh he’s declining! He’s been terrible since the cup run!” But they’re not fact checking anything the say or looking at any of the circumstances.

The two seasons after the cup run, Kuznetsov played under the worst coach he’s had yet, Todd reirden. There’s a reason why he went back to being an assistant after being fired. He’s not a head coach.

And even under the terrible coach, Kuznetsov put up 72 points in 76 games in 18-19 and put up 52 points in 63 games in 19-20.

Kuznetsov had a bad start to 20-21 with a new coach and no training camp AND dealing with COVID. He put up 29 points in 41 games. However, 16 of those points came in the last 20 games of the season after there was a visible change in his play and Laviolette finally broke through with him. Kuznetsov was on fire down the stretch aside from when he got COVID a second time. Remember what COVID did to Mika Zibanejad at the start of the season? It’s a serious thing and has real effects on players and their ability to play this sport.

People will point to “oh he’s a coke head” and “he’s not worth his contract!” He got caught on video doing what a majority of professional athletes are doing across all major sports in every league around the world. Yeah, he was stupid to get caught. He’s had f ups off the ice. But Kuznetsov is a number one center and is getting paid a very fair dollar amount to be a number one center on a contending team. Kuznetsov is not going for anything less than a high end prospect and a first or a young high end defenseman.

Minny has practically no tradeable assets outside of Rossi and draft picks, so how do we get around that? Convince yourself that other teams and players have problems so significant that depth players would be traded for top end talent.

So don't know how you came up with these proposals,,but they aren't realistic

1)Ryan Hartman just signed a very team friendly 3 years extension starting next year, & he will not be traded

2) wild say no very easily to leafs deal. Kerfoot is nothing but a 3rd / 4th line Winger who Toronto will lose in expansion. Kerfoot is essentially a ccx application dump no disrespect. Wild have better players than Kerfoot
- if you are being honest with yourself, wild aren't going to take on Justin holl, & his cap to play @ best 6th d on wild
-only good offer in that leafs trade is 1st round pick in 22

3) Wild aren't going to take on cap dump when they need to put a team together

Huh? Minnesota has no tradable assets? Dumba isn't an asset? Fiala doesn't exist, Greenway isn't? Matt boldy isn't, Alexander Khusnutdinov isn't? I could go on, & on but what you said isn't correct

I would challenge you to get to know other teams players, and prospects instead of just your favorite team in rangers

As for the proposal of Kuznetsov to wild: Like other wild fans have commented in other threads, don't see our gm who was brought to to clean up the lockerroom, & improve the culture around Minnesota wild being interested

I apologize not no tradeable assets, over valuing what their pieces are wotth. Trust me as a NYR fan, I know all about how homers treat every prospect like gold. Dumba is overrated IMO, Fiala is solid but Im sure you guys wont trade him. Im a fan of Greenway and would love for the Rangers to make a run at him.