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What I would do

Créé par: Wadejos123
Date de création initiale: jun 26, 2021
Publié: 26 jun à 8 h 08
Équipe: 2021-22 Blackhawks de Chicago
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    26 jun à 8 h 13
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    Buffalo takes that and runs.
    26 jun à 8 h 24
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Buffalo takes that and runs.


    good, I always make my Eichel proposals intentionally as overpays to avoid the onslaught of angry buffalo fans. I'm sure when they all wake up and see this they will still demand that it's not enough
    26 jun à 8 h 28
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    Reasonable deal for Eichel.

    I'd certainly be rooting for you to make the playoffs to get that second 1st!
    26 jun à 8 h 34
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    good, I always make my Eichel proposals intentionally as overpays to avoid the onslaught of angry buffalo fans. I'm sure when they all wake up and see this they will still demand that it's not enough


    a player of eichels caliber being openly available while under contract with term at his age is almost unheard of.

    excuse us for wanting a good draft pick and a high end prospect (which you have provided).
    26 jun à 9 h 08
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    good, I always make my Eichel proposals intentionally as overpays to avoid the onslaught of angry buffalo fans. I'm sure when they all wake up and see this they will still demand that it's not enough


    I think Chicago would be foolish to move Dach for Eichel. I think Dach has Eichel potential
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    26 jun à 9 h 08
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    a player of eichels caliber being openly available while under contract with term at his age is almost unheard of.

    excuse us for wanting a good draft pick and a high end prospect (which you have provided).


    There's no harm in wanting a top prospect and 1st rounder. @wadejos123 and I have discussed. He likes this trade because he is giving Eichel credit for his potential to be a 100 point player. I 100% respect his opinion. He's knowledgeable. I personally don't think this is reasonable from the CHI perspective. Not because you shouldn't WANT a top prospect and 1st, but in my mind...if Dach is a Requirement...then we need to treat him like he's a special player. If he's not a special player...then he can't be a requirement. The conditional pick and lack of additional cap to BUF is rough in my mind. Wouldn't you take Seabs contract? He's officially LTIR for his career. It's a logistical issue for the Hawks to simply be cap complaint on Day 1, but BUF isn't going to be anywhere near the cap ceiling after shedding $10M in cap.

    As a side. Don't you want to be in the Wright/Bedard running? Develop prospects and take time rebuilding the rebuild?
    26 jun à 9 h 19
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    Quoting: exo2769
    There's no harm in wanting a top prospect and 1st rounder. @wadejos123 and I have discussed. He likes this trade because he is giving Eichel credit for his potential to be a 100 point player. I 100% respect his opinion. He's knowledgeable. I personally don't think this is reasonable from the CHI perspective. Not because you shouldn't WANT a top prospect and 1st, but in my mind...if Dach is. Requirement...then we need to treat him like he's a special player. If he's not a special player...then he can't be a requirement. The conditional pick and lack of additional cap to BUF is rough in my mind. Wouldn't you take Seabs contract? He's officially LTIR for his career. It's a logistical issue for the Hawks to simply be cap complaint on Day 1, but BUF isn't going to be anywhere near the cap ceiling after shedding $10M in cap.

    As a side. Don't you want to be in the Wright/Bedard running? Develop prospects and take time rebuilding the rebuild?


    I do, which is why I want trades focused on futures. We blew up the last rebuild trading for kane, lehner and signing okposo. Time to do it right
    26 jun à 9 h 25
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    I do, which is why I want trades focused on futures. We blew up the last rebuild trading for kane, lehner and signing okposo. Time to do it right


    So wouldn't you even PREFER another guaranteed 1st and then other NHLers looking for ice time to either A.) Flip for picks at the TDL or B.) Help other prospects transition to the NHL? If you think Dach is good, but a clear step down from Eichel...then your essential looking at another pick between 8-12. Same story different year. Wouldn't you prefer Strome. Take the potential upside take Zadarov and flip him for picks. Take additional picks /prospects?
    26 jun à 9 h 30
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    Quoting: exo2769
    So wouldn't you even PREFER another guaranteed 1st and then other NHLers looking for ice time to either A.) Flip for picks at the TDL or B.) Help other prospects transition to the NHL? If you think Dach is good, but a clear step down from Eichel...then your essential looking at another pick between 8-12. Same story different year. Wouldn't you prefer Strome. Take the potential upside take Zadarov and flip him for picks. Take additional picks /prospects?


    No, I would not
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    26 jun à 11 h 54
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I think Chicago would be foolish to move Dach for Eichel. I think Dach has Eichel potential


    Dach clearly has the most potential of any Hawks prospect which is why the Sabres would need him in an Eichel deal. The odds of him becoming as good as Eichel is and will be are very slim. Through 2 seasons Jack had 48 goals and 113 points in 141 games while playing every game at Center. Dach has played 82 games and has 10 goals and 33 points. Since that time Jack has been over a point per game player. Chicago would make this deal because they would want to make one more run with Kane, Keith, and maybe Toews. By the time Dach would likely even close to the player Eichel is these players would be on a severe decline. Also once they reach that point the Hawks would still have an elite superstar in his prime to build a new core around
    26 jun à 14 h 48
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    Quoting: dzmets
    Dach clearly has the most potential of any Hawks prospect which is why the Sabres would need him in an Eichel deal. The odds of him becoming as good as Eichel is and will be are very slim. Through 2 seasons Jack had 48 goals and 113 points in 141 games while playing every game at Center. Dach has played 82 games and has 10 goals and 33 points. Since that time Jack has been over a point per game player. Chicago would make this deal because they would want to make one more run with Kane, Keith, and maybe Toews. By the time Dach would likely even close to the player Eichel is these players would be on a severe decline. Also once they reach that point the Hawks would still have an elite superstar in his prime to build a new core around


    Dach's projected to be similar to Getzlaf in both style and skill. Prime Getzlaf was definitely as good as Eichel is now.

    A good chunk of points you are using to define Dach is based off his production this year where he came back from a bad injury and was then take out early to let it heal more. To me this means he never truely healed. In the playoffs last year Dach really broke out into what should be expected of him, a strong 2-way center that can compete with the top players in the league. I would say him getting 60 points next year is a pretty safe bet (barring an injury).
    26 jun à 15 h 32
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    Again this team wins with Q but fails to win with Chip and Chase Colliton
    26 jun à 18 h 37
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Dach's projected to be similar to Getzlaf in both style and skill. Prime Getzlaf was definitely as good as Eichel is now.

    A good chunk of points you are using to define Dach is based off his production this year where he came back from a bad injury and was then take out early to let it heal more. To me this means he never truely healed. In the playoffs last year Dach really broke out into what should be expected of him, a strong 2-way center that can compete with the top players in the league. I would say him getting 60 points next year is a pretty safe bet (barring an injury).


    That is still a massive projection. Getzlaff nearly doubled the production of Dach as a rookie and stepped up his production massively in his second year. Dach may end up being that as a player but it is still just as likely he ends up a 45 point middle six forward that is a useful player but not a difference maker. Jack has already proven consistently year after year that he is that and then some
    26 jun à 19 h 38
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    Quoting: dzmets
    That is still a massive projection. Getzlaff nearly doubled the production of Dach as a rookie and stepped up his production massively in his second year. Dach may end up being that as a player but it is still just as likely he ends up a 45 point middle six forward that is a useful player but not a difference maker. Jack has already proven consistently year after year that he is that and then some


    You probably haven't watched enough of Dach yet then, his only issue right now is he's still a bit lanky. Once he fills out he will be like a freight train. The kid is just oozing potential.

    I get the idea of trading Dach for Jack but Buffalo would definitely be asking for a lot of additions and I dont think that is worthwhile for Chicago
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    26 jun à 20 h 00
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    You probably haven't watched enough of Dach yet then, his only issue right now is he's still a bit lanky. Once he fills out he will be like a freight train. The kid is just oozing potential.

    I get the idea of trading Dach for Jack but Buffalo would definitely be asking for a lot of additions and I dont think that is worthwhile for Chicago


    I understand noone wants to give up a top prospect but that is the cost of doing business. I think of Dylan Cozens much in the same way you and many describe Dach. If the Sabres were in a position where Jack and Sam didn't want out I wiuld have no issue with them moving Cozens and 1 o/a for say an Elias Pettersson. Sure combined the pieces the Sabres are moving might end up adding up to be better, but EP is proven to be great and odds are Cozens and 1 o/a will not end up being near as good as EP
    26 jun à 20 h 13
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    Quoting: dzmets
    That is still a massive projection. Getzlaff nearly doubled the production of Dach as a rookie and stepped up his production massively in his second year. Dach may end up being that as a player but it is still just as likely he ends up a 45 point middle six forward that is a useful player but not a difference maker. Jack has already proven consistently year after year that he is that and then some


    What do you think of Joe Thornton? Hart winner and all. Got 7 points in 55 games his rookie year. Everyone develops at a different pace.
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    26 jun à 21 h 00
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    Quoting: exo2769
    What do you think of Joe Thornton? Hart winner and all. Got 7 points in 55 games his rookie year. Everyone develops at a different pace.


    not to mention Dach's rookie year was cut short by covid and his sophmore year by a broken wrist. Gotta give the kid a little bit of a break
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    27 jun à 7 h 32
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    Quoting: exo2769
    What do you think of Joe Thornton? Hart winner and all. Got 7 points in 55 games his rookie year. Everyone develops at a different pace.


    If you have to go back 20 + years to find an example then you are proving my point. The game was different then. More physical and younger players typically took longer to have an impact. But even if this were a recent example you were using there will always be outliers on the development path. Fact is most players that end up being elite are much better right away then Dach has been. Doesn't mean he can't be it just is more likely he won't
    27 jun à 8 h 26
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    Quoting: dzmets
    If you have to go back 20 + years to find an example then you are proving my point. The game was different then. More physical and younger players typically took longer to have an impact. But even if this were a recent example you were using there will always be outliers on the development path. Fact is most players that end up being elite are much better right away then Dach has been. Doesn't mean he can't be it just is more likely he won't


    Dach's first year was cut short by covid and his second by a broken wrist. Give the kid a break. The only other guys in his draft class that played through that are kakko and hughes, and neigther has looked any better than Dach, and neigther missed almost all their second year with a broken wrist eigther
    27 jun à 9 h 39
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Dach's first year was cut short by covid and his second by a broken wrist. Give the kid a break. The only other guys in his draft class that played through that are kakko and hughes, and neigther has looked any better than Dach, and neigther missed almost all their second year with a broken wrist eigther


    I don’t think Dach is a bad player. He is justat best a projection. By no means a sure thing to be anything special. I wouldn't bet on either of those other 2 becoming elite players either. They might. But they will just as likely ultimately become good 50 point second line players
    27 jun à 10 h 21
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    Quoting: dzmets
    If you have to go back 20 + years to find an example then you are proving my point. The game was different then. More physical and younger players typically took longer to have an impact. But even if this were a recent example you were using there will always be outliers on the development path. Fact is most players that end up being elite are much better right away then Dach has been. Doesn't mean he can't be it just is more likely he won't


    You mean like Draisaitl with 9 points? Or MacKinnon who had 38 in his 2nd year? The problem with your "theory" is that guys enter the NHL at different periods. Someone like Brayden Point may have multiple years in juniors before getting to the NHL. Dach went straight to the NHL. We can debate whether that was a good move or not...that's an entirely separate discussion. And it's just wrong to think elite players are simply elite the exact day they enter the NHL. There would be ZERO picks draft surprises if that were the case.
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    27 jun à 11 h 00
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    Quoting: exo2769
    You mean like Draisaitl with 9 points? Or MacKinnon who had 38 in his 2nd year? The problem with your "theory" is that guys enter the NHL at different periods. Someone like Brayden Point may have multiple years in juniors before getting to the NHL. Dach went straight to the NHL. We can debate whether that was a good move or not...that's an entirely separate discussion. And it's just wrong to think elite players are simply elite the exact day they enter the NHL. There would be ZERO picks draft surprises if that were the case.


    Mackinnon had 63 points and 24 goals as a rookie. He had already proven the ability to produce at an elite level in the nhl. Draisaitl only played 37 games as a rookie. By the time he reached 82 games in his second year where Dach is now he had 16 goals and 49 points compared to 10 and 33 for Dach. Again not a precursor to what Draisaitl would eventually be but again 50% more production. Draisaitl is again more of an anomaly than the regular development path. For every one example of a player that struggles to produce initially in the nhl and then explodes a few years later there are 5 examples of a player that is great and produces right away. Again I am not saying Dach is not going to be great, just that historical projections say it is much more likely he will be average to slightly above average
     
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