Totally hypothetical trade if Minnesota looked at moving dumba before the expansion draft. It's believed Minnesota will use the 7-3-1 style for protection. They have 3 defencemen with NMC, so they all have to be protected. They could easily go 8-1 and lose a really good forward which may not hurt as much, but every thing I read has them going this way. Dumba would obviously not have Detroit on his 10 team no trade list.
How I justify this, Detroit could protect dumba so they don't lose any of significance to them. They trade the 22nd overall pick this year, which is far less than market value I know, but it's better than nothing for Minnesota. Minnesota gets Lindstrom to replace dumba on the right side, obviously not equivalent players but he fills a hole. The wild would then lose soucy or rask or maybe even Talbot. Soucy is decent but he's a third pair LD, those are in abundance. Rask I think even though he improved this year, still makes more than he's worth in my opinion, and lots of forward depth. Talbot would suck the most for them but alot of free agent goalies this year, kahkonen also shown he can handle the work load. I feel any of those players could be easily replaced or better. Is Seattle were to select Lindstrom, since Minnesota can't protect him, then no loss. They lose dumba but anyways but gain a first round pick.
Why it works for Detroit, I know alot of Detroit fans are going to get on here and be like we aren't trading futures blah blah blah. I feel like this trade is pennies on the dollar. Dumba fits Yzerman's age range of 26 and under. He is a very good top 4 defenseman. I know Hronek and Seider will be there but having all 3 would be better. Also if he wasn't working out or he just ends up not in the plans, you trade him to a team in need of a top four defenseman, basically every team in the league, can retain salary to increase value and most likely get a far better return than what was paid for him.
This is dependant on Minnesota not making a deal to keep him, him not having Detroit on his ten team no trade list, or waiving it, and Bill Guerin valuing a first round pick over rask, soucy and Talbot. Not to mention you could always use that first round pick to replace whichever player is lost, maybe upgrade, plus gained Lindstrom.
makes alot of sense thats more thought then i put in lmao great reasoning tho where would
you trade him if detroit is on his ntc
Didn't think about another team at all because I'm a Detroit fan. I did though look and see if any teams could afford to lose a guy they would normally be protecting for Dumba. I don't think any other teams would really benefit.
If detroit is a destination he doesn't want to play in, he could be sent there for protection then traded to a different team for market value, which I would expect be greater than what was paid.
MN can lose one of Soucy/Dumba and be fine for their d-corps. Losing both of them will hurt a lot.
Spurgeon's NMC and huge contract is just a killer for MN.
Agreed, I think of they lost both, soucy could be replaced and for cheaper I think, Lindstrom can take third pairing minutes on the right side and will cost less than a mill. Losing both might help them with their cap situation, Eriksson ek, kaprizov and fiala all need new deals. Plus filling out the rest of the roster.
Detroit have 1 terrible LD on his last year of contract and 1 defensively shaky young LD.
If Detroit is going to spend assets on D it's going to be spent on fixing the left side that actually needs fixing, not on the right side that is fine as it is.
Using the Washington pick on Vince Dunn makes a thousand times more sense than this deal.
I do not see why Detroit would to give up a 1st here. They have all the leverage in the world, Yzerman knows this. He could force a trade like Nate Schmidt -> VAN last summer.
Minnesota might be desperate to move him rather than lose him for nothing. Not many teams can commit 6M to a 2nd pair defenseman right now (not saying the contract is bad, its just that the flat cap and global pandemic really don't help anyone out). Detroit is naturally one of the only teams who can pull off a Dumba trade. Yzerman knows this and will use it to his full advantage if he wants Dumba.
Could get Dumba for next to nothing if he plays his cards correctly
Detroit have 1 terrible LD on his last year of contract and 1 defensively shaky young LD.
If Detroit is going to spend assets on D it's going to be spent on fixing the left side that actually needs fixing, not on the right side that is fine as it is.
Using the Washington pick on Vince Dunn makes a thousand times more sense than this deal.
I agree. I like how people think they know what is best for Detroit but they don't even look at the god damn roster because if they had this post never happens.
I do not see why Detroit would to give up a 1st here. They have all the leverage in the world, Yzerman knows this. He could force a trade like Nate Schmidt -> VAN last summer.
Minnesota might be desperate to move him rather than lose him for nothing. Not many teams can commit 6M to a 2nd pair defenseman right now (not saying the contract is bad, its just that the flat cap and global pandemic really don't help anyone out). Detroit is naturally one of the only teams who can pull off a Dumba trade. Yzerman knows this and will use it to his full advantage if he wants Dumba.
Could get Dumba for next to nothing if he plays his cards correctly
Which is unlikely because they already 4 good RDs.
I agree. I like how people think they know what is best for Detroit but they don't even look at the god damn roster because if they had this post never happens.
I think we should protect Dumba and then send him back. We put nothing in the trade and Minnesota sends their 2021 1st for the trouble...everybody wins.
If anything, you can then flip him somewhere else while retaining salary and getting some real assets back
Then why wouldn't Minnesota just make the trade that Detroit would be flipping? "Flipping" players isn't as much of a thing as everyone acts like it is and one team always loses in that case, so, just why?
I do not see why Detroit would to give up a 1st here. They have all the leverage in the world, Yzerman knows this. He could force a trade like Nate Schmidt -> VAN last summer.
Minnesota might be desperate to move him rather than lose him for nothing. Not many teams can commit 6M to a 2nd pair defenseman right now (not saying the contract is bad, its just that the flat cap and global pandemic really don't help anyone out). Detroit is naturally one of the only teams who can pull off a Dumba trade. Yzerman knows this and will use it to his full advantage if he wants Dumba.
Could get Dumba for next to nothing if he plays his cards correctly
I totally agree, that would be the most I would ever pay, I tried to put what I think a fair deal would be, but wouldn't be surprised if it got done with a second and third or similar
Detroit have 1 terrible LD on his last year of contract and 1 defensively shaky young LD.
If Detroit is going to spend assets on D it's going to be spent on fixing the left side that actually needs fixing, not on the right side that is fine as it is.
Using the Washington pick on Vince Dunn makes a thousand times more sense than this deal.
Detroit has at this point 2 nhl RD, also one is included in this trade, Seider will probably start in the AHL. Stetcher traded at the deadline. Seider could prove to be a very good defenceman, it's still unknown, might take longer than expected.
And I agree LD is way worse, could still trade for Dunn and not protect Chowlowski cause he's not that great anyways.
Or not make this trade at all, it's just a hypothetical which works in my eyes, Dumba is the best player potentially available to Seattle, just a way to take advantage of that for Detroit.
I agree. I like how people think they know what is best for Detroit but they don't even look at the god damn roster because if they had this post never happens.
I know the roster quite well, one of those "4 good RD" are in the trade presented. That leaves 2 NHL RD, Seider is unproven, could be good, most likely will be, but he's not a nhl defenseman yet. This trade happens still 4 good RD, Stetcher goes at the deadline now that's 3 good RD. Still need help on the left side but this is just a hypothetical for Dumba.
I think we should protect Dumba and then send him back. We put nothing in the trade and Minnesota sends their 2021 1st for the trouble...everybody wins.
That's not possible as I actually recently found out, can't trade back for a player for year.
Then why wouldn't Minnesota just make the trade that Detroit would be flipping? "Flipping" players isn't as much of a thing as everyone acts like it is and one team always loses in that case, so, just why?
No other team can protect him while only losing a not very significant piece. From what I looked up, most teams have 3 pretty good defensemen protected. They could maybe send back one of those protected players and hope Seattle takes them, then they gain a first and lose nothing. Same thing I stated in the description of Seattle took Lindstrom in the draft from the wild.
No other team can protect him while only losing a not very significant piece. From what I looked up, most teams have 3 pretty good defensemen protected. They could maybe send back one of those protected players and hope Seattle takes them, then they gain a first and lose nothing. Same thing I stated in the description of Seattle took Lindstrom in the draft from the wild.
There is just no point in Detroit doing it. We're not here to help other teams. By adding Dumba, we also now have to expose one of Cholowski or Stetcher, which means we lose that piece to Seattle, or another asset to pay them to take someone else. It's all about asset management and this just doesn't factor that in from Detroit's perspective. Yea, the value is great, Dumba is great, but why not send that to a team than needs it and factor in the other teams needs as well and not just your own?
Winnipeg needs help on the right side and only has 2 dmen they NEED to protect. Seems like a much more logical trade partner to me....
There is just no point in Detroit doing it. We're not here to help other teams. By adding Dumba, we also now have to expose one of Cholowsko or Stetcher, which means we lose that piece to Seattle, or another asset to pay them to take someone else. It's all about asset management and this just doesn't factor that in from Detroit's perspective. Yea, the value is great, Dumba is great, but why not send that to a team than needs it and factor in the other teams needs as well and not just your own?
Winnipeg needs help on the right side and only has 2 dmen they NEED to protect. Seems like a much more logical trade partner to me....
For sure could be, I'm not saying this is the best option for Detroit, it's just a hypothetical that works. Stetcher is going to be exposed anyways, all your doing here is swapping Lindstrom for Dumba in the protected List.
For sure could be, I'm not saying this is the best option for Detroit, it's just a hypothetical that works. Stetcher is going to be exposed anyways, all your doing here is swapping Lindstrom for Dumba in the protected List.
Stretcher will not be exposed, that just shows how little you know about Detroit.
So Lindstrom gets exposed over Stetcher? Or Chowlowski?
Protection is Hronek, Stetcher and then it's a toss up between Lindstrom or Cholowski. The point is, that if we took on Dumba, we're now losing Lindstrom AND Cholowski. Obviously, Dumba is a significant upgrade from either of them, but it's not even about player value, as we're in a rebuild - it's about asset management. What Detroit is left with in this case is an exit of Lindstrom, Cholowski AND a 1st round pick for a player that could walk in FA in 2 years, before we even really hit our stride with competing. It just doesn't make sense for Detroit and where they are in the rebuild.
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