Dahlin-Borgen
Samuelsson-Joki
Bryson-McCabe/Miller

Where does Hickey fit

Why the eberle deal ^

Kinda baffling tbh

With NYI not impervious to a year from hell that '22 1st might get really interesting too I mean they're so dependent on their goaltending alone 😶

Borgen top pair lol wow here's 5 laughing emojis



Evan Bouchard isn't even top pair worthy yet

Is Borgen top worthy in the AHL even 🤔

Just scratch hickey and enjoy the 3rd ✔

Buffalo with them most likely trading Eichel and them rebuilding. Another 3rd round pick and a 7th D men depth for 1 year I think makes sense for them.

I mean there's literally 3 inexperienced players ideally suited to the AHL at the moment in important roles on that D core it's not really gate keeping hickey 🤷‍♂️

The reason being is we Isles need to make a change. Francis (GM for Seattle), has been reported he wants to go with low contracts and wants to stock up on Dmen to trade for more picks after expansion draft. So in order to move Eberle's big contract we are going to have to pay with a high draft pick. Palmeri looks like a good fit with Brazal and then add Lee back on that line, now you may have something. I don't think we can lose Leddy or Mayfield (Especially). If you do, you will need to fill 2 spots on the back end because you aren't going to bring back Greene who will be 38 next year.

OTT accepts

Fair value, good systems vet.

Moving a 2022 1st to move eberle and sign an aging palmieri (he’ll get more than 4.5 mill) is a good way to run the isles into the ground.

Leddy is terrible, he should not be on the team next season.

The islanders were top 5 in xGA this season and before Lee’s injury they were top 5 in xgf%. I’d say the goaltending benefits from the team defense in front of them.

First off, Eberle is older (31) / Palmeri (30)
Second - Eberle has 3 more years left on contract paying him $5,500,000
Third - Palmeri's contract would end the same time costing us $1,500,000 less per year - saving us $4,500,000 over the next 3 years.
Forth - What has Eberle done? Palmeri can score just as much as him. He leads the Isles in playoff goals. While Eberle has been a ghost.

Regarding Leddy, I don't disagree that Leddy is not great BUT. You look him to Seattle or trade him, you are going to be down 2 starting Defensemen next year. I don't want Greene back and I'm not having 2 rookies play on the back end. Who are we replacing Leddy and Greene with, especially with our cap problems?

No reason to accept a 3rd for 3m on Komarov when they just got a 2nd from Tampa for taking on 3m last year

Borgen isn’t top pair ready, but in the limited games he was healthy he had very good analytics, he’s going to be a nice 3rd pair defenseman next season.

Fair point but as I mentioned, good valve. More picks for a team looking to build and they were close to trading for him at the begining of the year so I'm guessing they think he can bring some sort of leadership in the locker room.

Detroit have no use for Dal Colle, they are already full of wingers (9 waiver eligible + Raymond and Berggren).

Fair enough, but I'm sure the isles can get a 4th for him with someone. He is still young and was a top 5 pick in the draft. He's a checking 3rd/4th line guy.

Eberle was top 10 in the NHL in even strength goals this season, he also leads the islanders in generating high danger scoring chances. Eberle and Barzal play mostly with Komarov which affects production and eberle still has 1 more point than palmieri during this playoff run.

Your contract for Palmieri is unrealistic, the reason he left NJ is because he wanted a long term deal. Palmieri turns 31 next season , we’re really going to sign another player till their mid 30s?

There are plenty of defenseman better than Greene and Leddy in free agency who won’t cost more than 2 mill. Kulikov, Koekkek, Hutton, Forbert etc

Isles fans have always complaint about Eberle and his production regular season and playoffs since he's been with the club. Fans have been calling for someone else to play on Brazal's line. I think Palmeri would put up the same numbers with a full year with Brazal and Lee. And you get a little more grit and save $4.5M. We have serious cap problems. At the start of next year Eberle is 32 with 3 more year remaining. I don't think Kulikov, Hutton or Forbert are better than Leddy sadly. They would be an upgrade for Greene but we don't have cap money. Greene is only making $700K. We have to resign Beauvillier, Peelch and Sorkin too.

They can complain, but here are the facts.
Even strength goals this season:
Eberle: 14
DraisaitL: 13
Guentzel: 12
Crosby: 11
Palmieri: 7
Hoffman: 5

Like I said your palmieri contract is unrealistic, he would still be on the Devils if he was willing to take 4.5 x 3. He wants more $ and term.

Kulikov and Forbert were a lot better than Leddy this season. Leddy can't play defense and fumbles the puck too much in the offensive zone.

I doubt Detroit gives up a 4th for another winger. A center or LHD or goalie maybe but they just don't need wingers at this point. Especially since the best available at #6 will probably be a winger.

Here's where you lose me to be honest

Last yaer
Eberle - 16-24 -40 pts - 12 Even strength goals in 58 games
Palmeri- 25-20-46 pts - 14 Even strengh goals in 65 games

This year
Eberle - 16-17-33 pts - 15 Even strengh goals in 55 games
Palmeri- 10-11-21 pts - 8 Even strengh goals in 51 games

The last 2 years Palmeri has played on 3rd (this year) and 6th worst team in the league. Plus who has he played with on a line? Put him with Brazal and Lee for a full year. See what happens. Would I like to get a younger more dynamic winger for Brazal and Lee, absolutely but where and how?

Regarding his contract, the league cap isn't going up it will probably be the same. Who had cap space? A lot of UFA's are not going to get any big contracts this year

I meant 5v5 goals, Trotz rarely puts out Eberle for 4v4. - and im talking about the 20-21 season. Despite the fact that Palmieri played on a bad team, he played with very good players. He spent the most time with Jack Hughes and Damon severson (NJ best defenseman). The problem with Palmieri is he is in the mold of a James Neal and Milan Lucic. Power forwards who take a beating and end up declining pretty fast after they turn 30. The season that palmieri resembles Andrew Ladds season before he signed with the islanders . Why would you want to give term to someone like that?

Because the cap isn't going up, its probably not a good idea to give up a 2022 1st (when you just gave up the last two 1sts) for the honor to sign a 4th line center and Kyle Palmieri...


The top 9 next season should be:
Lee-Barzal-Eberle
Beau-Nelson-Wahlstrom
Golyshev-Pageau-Bailey

So for 5v5 goals , Eberle ranked in the top 10 among all forwards. If trotz didn't hate young players, wahlstrom would be on the top line by now. He has the skillset to compliment Barzal

I hear what you are saying to a degree but we are most likely going to lose to TB again for the 2nd year in a row in the ECFs. We need to get some new blood in here. I'd like to get younger and faster but I don't see where and how. I just think Palmeri and Goodrow would be good fits for the system we play. I think Goodrow would fit well on the 3rd line with Pageau and Wahlstrom. For some reason I don't see a Brazal/Wahlstrom fit on the same line. I didn't see any chemistry with both of them. Maybe I'm wrong.

I would agree Brazal needs a young sniper. But I'm just not sure the mesh together. Hope I'm wrong. As far a Golyshev, I think it's way too soon or hopeful to think he can be a regular with the club next year. I think he's a longshot at best.

New blood should not come in the form of declining wingers. There are ways to get younger and faster, there are many undervalued wingers available around the league.

Goodrow is going to get a lot more than 925 k because GMs always overpay in free agency.

Barzal and Wahlstrom have only had about 10 min of ice time at 5v5 this season and they have dominated possession. The 2x they were on the same powerplay together wahlstrom scored within 30 seconds. Wahlstrom has the skating, pucks skills, and elite shot to complement Barzal.