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Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 19 juin 2021
Publié: 19 juin 2021
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  1. Parise, Zach
  2. Rossi, Marco
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MIN)
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19 juin 2021 à 19 h 18
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With the new news about Kaprisov, I think he's going to Buffalo for Eichel at this point.
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19 juin 2021 à 19 h 19
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Yeah buffalo isn't taking parise
19 juin 2021 à 19 h 21
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With the new news about Kaprisov, I think he's going to Buffalo for Eichel at this point.


hes staying in MIN if echiel goes there so i dont think so
19 juin 2021 à 19 h 29
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With the new news about Kaprisov, I think he's going to Buffalo for Eichel at this point.


Wonder if he’s still a BG type guy or is he considered a “cancer” now lol.
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19 juin 2021 à 19 h 30
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I dont think they care hes hella good
19 juin 2021 à 19 h 38
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Consider he rejected 8x8. Kaprizov Wouldn’t ever consider that contract
19 juin 2021 à 22 h 12
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I don't think anyone will take our Parise contact. Maybe the NYI, but I think that ship has sailed too.
20 juin 2021 à 1 h 28
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hes staying in MIN if echiel goes there so i dont think so


Who knows. If I'm Minny I'd offer him for Eichel, probably not very much would need to be added.
20 juin 2021 à 1 h 52
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Who knows. If I'm Minny I'd offer him for Eichel, probably not very much would need to be added.


I think MN has to add with the falloff Parise had last year and the term left with his $7.5m cap hit. Really it should cost a 1st (or more) to dump him. So it turns into Rossi + late 1st and a late 2nd for Eichel. It's a pretty weak return.
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20 juin 2021 à 1 h 59
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Consider he rejected 8x8. Kaprizov Wouldn’t ever consider that contract


I wouldn't take an 8x8 contract if I was Kaprizov. He's 24 now so he's be 32 when it ended. It makes getting a 2nd big contract unlikely. 4 x $7m-$8m is what I think he'll end signing. I think an 8 year deal would be in the $10m-$11m/yr range; which is something MN really can't afford.
20 juin 2021 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: wabit
I think MN has to add with the falloff Parise had last year and the term left with his $7.5m cap hit. Really it should cost a 1st (or more) to dump him. So it turns into Rossi + late 1st and a late 2nd for Eichel. It's a pretty weak return.


I agree. I was saying Kaprizov should be in an Eichel trade.
20 juin 2021 à 13 h 52
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Consider he rejected 8x8. Kaprizov Wouldn’t ever consider that contract


That contract increases his earnings potential significantly over an 8x8 contract, so it's actually better for him because of the shorter term. I think the real dollar value will be a little higher, but he's not going to get 5x11 like the Toronto kids did.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 0
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I agree. I was saying Kaprizov should be in an Eichel trade.


That makes zero sense.

1) If Kaprizov was moved to Buffalo in an Eichel trade, he 100% goes back to the KHL. He wants to win, not waste his career in a dumpsterfire like the Sabers organization. He would wait until he's an UFA at 27 and then attempt a return. It makes zero sense for Buffalo to ask for him for that very reason alone.

2) We would want Eichel to both contend and to get a 1C for Kaprizov not just so we can trade him for that 1C.
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20 juin 2021 à 14 h 7
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Quoting: Caerii
That contract increases his earnings potential significantly over an 8x8 contract, so it's actually better for him because of the shorter term. I think the real dollar value will be a little higher, but he's not going to get 5x11 like the Toronto kids did.


I thin that is exactly what he is trying to get. 3-4 years and nothing below 8m aav. I dont think you can buy up a single one of his UFA years in a contract beyond the 3-4 years whatever it is that takes him to that.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 10
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I thin that is exactly what he is trying to get. 3-4 years and nothing below 8m aav. I dont think you can buy up a single one of his UFA years in a contract beyond the 3-4 years whatever it is that takes him to that.


He doesn't have leverage here if money is really that important to him. UFA years are going to be bought up because his only alternative is to lose tens of millions of dollars otherwise.
He wants 1-3, Wild wants 6-8. They'll meet somewhere at 4-5 years, but it won't be anywhere near 11M.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 27
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He doesn't have leverage here if money is really that important to him. UFA years are going to be bought up because his only alternative is to lose tens of millions of dollars otherwise.
He wants 1-3, Wild wants 6-8. They'll meet somewhere at 4-5 years, but it won't be anywhere near 11M.


Then I think he bolts back to Russia if minny tries to force him into contracts that don’t allow him to get to max ufa dollars. He’s 24 and entering his prime years,

He signed his elc to burn a year for a reason.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 28
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Then I think he bolts back to Russia if minny tries to force him into contracts that don’t allow him to get to max ufa dollars. He’s 24 and entering his prime years,

He signed his elc to burn a year for a reason.


I don't really think you've thought this whole "max UFA dollars" thing through.

If he bolts back to Russia for three years making 2M per year, he would need to make nearly 16M on a 7 year deal when he comes back to bridge the gap that would be left by not taking 5x8M right now.

Taking 5x8M now and then 7x11M in 5 years leaves him with somewhere north of 30M in additional lifetime earnings when compared to going to Russia for three years and then coming back to whatever market value for him is. It's really not close.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 30
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Quoting: RazWild
That makes zero sense.

1) If Kaprizov was moved to Buffalo in an Eichel trade, he 100% goes back to the KHL. He wants to win, not waste his career in a dumpsterfire like the Sabers organization. He would wait until he's an UFA at 27 and then attempt a return. It makes zero sense for Buffalo to ask for him for that very reason alone.

2) We would want Eichel to both contend and to get a 1C for Kaprizov not just so we can trade him for that 1C.


When you put it that way, yes, it makes complete sense (as in keeping Kaprizov and not trading him for Eichel).
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20 juin 2021 à 14 h 43
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I don't really think you've thought this whole "max UFA dollars" thing through.

If he bolts back to Russia for three years making 2M per year, he would need to make nearly 16M on a 7 year deal when he comes back to bridge the gap that would be left by not taking 5x8M right now.

Taking 5x8M now and then 7x11M in 5 years leaves him with somewhere north of 30M in additional lifetime earnings when compared to going to Russia for three years and then coming back to whatever market value for him is. It's really not close.


No it’s pretty well thought out as you are discounting what potentially 31 other teams would be willing to offer him if he hits an open market and have the ability to leverage other teams against one another.

Never under estimate what other gms who are desperate would be willing to offer
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 48
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No it’s pretty well thought out as you are discounting what potentially 31 other teams would be willing to offer him if he hits an open market and have the ability to leverage other teams against one another.

Never under estimate what other gms who are desperate would be willing to offer


Do you think desperate GM's are going to offer him 7x16M in three years when his only NHL experience is 55 games three seasons prior? Because I'm not discounting that he could get a lot of money in three years with only 55 games of experience three seasons prior, but I have a hard time believing he's going to get 7x16M. If you believe he'll get 7x16M in three years with only 55 games of experience three seasons prior, though, then it makes sense for you to believe what you do.
20 juin 2021 à 14 h 49
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No it’s pretty well thought out as you are discounting what potentially 31 other teams would be willing to offer him if he hits an open market and have the ability to leverage other teams against one another.

Never under estimate what other gms who are desperate would be willing to offer


Quoting: Caerii
I don't really think you've thought this whole "max UFA dollars" thing through.

If he bolts back to Russia for three years making 2M per year, he would need to make nearly 16M on a 7 year deal when he comes back to bridge the gap that would be left by not taking 5x8M right now.

Taking 5x8M now and then 7x11M in 5 years leaves him with somewhere north of 30M in additional lifetime earnings when compared to going to Russia for three years and then coming back to whatever market value for him is. It's really not close.


Quoting: Saskleaf
When you put it that way, yes, it makes complete sense (as in keeping Kaprizov and not trading him for Eichel).


Quoting: coga16
Then I think he bolts back to Russia if minny tries to force him into contracts that don’t allow him to get to max ufa dollars. He’s 24 and entering his prime years,

He signed his elc to burn a year for a reason.


Quoting: Caerii
He doesn't have leverage here if money is really that important to him. UFA years are going to be bought up because his only alternative is to lose tens of millions of dollars otherwise.
He wants 1-3, Wild wants 6-8. They'll meet somewhere at 4-5 years, but it won't be anywhere near 11M.


Quoting: coga16
I thin that is exactly what he is trying to get. 3-4 years and nothing below 8m aav. I dont think you can buy up a single one of his UFA years in a contract beyond the 3-4 years whatever it is that takes him to that.


Quoting: RazWild
That makes zero sense.

1) If Kaprizov was moved to Buffalo in an Eichel trade, he 100% goes back to the KHL. He wants to win, not waste his career in a dumpsterfire like the Sabers organization. He would wait until he's an UFA at 27 and then attempt a return. It makes zero sense for Buffalo to ask for him for that very reason alone.

2) We would want Eichel to both contend and to get a 1C for Kaprizov not just so we can trade him for that 1C.


Quoting: Caerii
That contract increases his earnings potential significantly over an 8x8 contract, so it's actually better for him because of the shorter term. I think the real dollar value will be a little higher, but he's not going to get 5x11 like the Toronto kids did.


Quoting: Saskleaf
I agree. I was saying Kaprizov should be in an Eichel trade.


So i just found out that he isnt leavng the NHL and he wants to stay in MIN the rumors were false his agent confirmed they were. He was just in Moscow for a wedding.
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20 juin 2021 à 14 h 50
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So i just found out that he isnt leavng the NHL and he wants to stay in MIN the rumors were false his agent confirmed they were. He was just in Moscow for a wedding.


Yes, correct.
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So i just found out that he isnt leavng the NHL and he wants to stay in MIN the rumors were false his agent confirmed they were. He was just in Moscow for a wedding.


We more or less already knew that, hence why we Wild fans continue to say he's unavailable. But given what was put out by Kevin Weekes it's understandable.

The thing to really keep in mind here was that Weekes during his playing career was represented by Kaprizov's current agent. It was a intentional negotiation tactic to try and force the Wild's hand in signing a short-term contract.
 
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