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Offseason Moves - San Jose Retool

Créé par: Hockyluv21
Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2021
Publié: 17 juin 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Big signings to improve depth are Barrie, Danault, Mrazek, and Brossoit. Two big cap dumps to Carolina (who get Karlsson and the #7 pick in a crapshoot-y draft) and Seattle (Burns and prospects), a Hertl trade, and a buyout of Martin Jones open the space necessary for the moves.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 600 000 $
32 500 000 $
21 000 000 $
2900 000 $
1825 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
56 200 000 $
33 800 000 $
22 200 000 $
1750 000 $
55 800 000 $
11 300 000 $
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (SEA)
Détails additionnels:
Protected: Couture, Meier, Kane, Hertl, Labanc, Balcers, Donato, Karlsson, Vlasic, Simek, Korenar

San Jose trades Sasha Chmelevski, Joachim Blichfeld, and a 2022 2nd for a 2022 4th, as compensation for Seattle selecting Brent Burns and his contract.
SEA
  1. Blichfeld, Joachim [Droits de RFA]
  2. Burns, Brent
  3. Chmelevski, Alexander
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (SJS)
2.
SJS
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
3.
SJS
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Karlsson, Erik (2 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
4.
SJS
  1. Beckman, Adam
  2. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Liste de réserve]
  3. Rask, Victor
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2022
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2023
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2381 500 000 $66 597 030 $0 $1 275 000 $14 902 970 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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2 108 696 $2 108 696 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
C
UFA - 6
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4 725 000 $4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
UFA - 1
6 200 000 $6 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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796 667 $796 667 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 5
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
DD
UFA
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
G
UFA - 3
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, C
UFA

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17 juin 2021 à 16 h 29
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That's definitely way too much for one year of Hertl.
17 juin 2021 à 16 h 32
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Yeah the whole trade Karlsson plus our first for Gardiner, using Barrie to replace him and all of that is just really pointless.

Keep Karlsson and our much needed first. Don’t sign Barrie it’s pointless.

We don’t really save money by retaining Karlsson, signing Barrie to a huge potential bust contract, and taking Gardiner. And it’s likely we barely get better, if not worse.

Barrie had 23 pp points with the BEST offensive players in the world. He is not getting near that on SJS. Don’t see an incentive here to do this.

Just trading Karlsson for the sake of trading Karlsson. And we lose a good pick we need.
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17 juin 2021 à 16 h 40
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Yeah the whole trade Karlsson plus our first for Gardiner, using Barrie to replace him and all of that is just really pointless.

Keep Karlsson and our much needed first. Don’t sign Barrie it’s pointless.

We don’t really save money by retaining Karlsson, signing Barrie to a huge potential bust contract, and taking Gardiner. And it’s likely we barely get better, if not worse.

Barrie had 23 pp points with the BEST offensive players in the world. He is not getting near that on SJS. Don’t see an incentive here to do this.

Just trading Karlsson for the sake of trading Karlsson. And we lose a good pick we need.


You're moving 19 spots down in a crapshoot-y draft, not dealing a first away. This may be the best possible draft to have a late 1st round pick because the scouting is so all-over-the-place this year. And you're clearing huge amounts of long-term cap.
17 juin 2021 à 16 h 47
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You're moving 19 spots down in a crapshoot-y draft, not dealing a first away. This may be the best possible draft to have a late 1st round pick because the scouting is so all-over-the-place this year. And you're clearing huge amounts of long-term cap.


If you actually look at it more closely, it’s only a “crapshoot-y” draft once you drop out of the top 10. Sure, there aren’t nearly as many high end prospects as in previous drafts, but there will be legit talent at 7. That’s just not the case for the Carolina pick. Plus Karlsson isn’t even worth dumping for us since we know we’d have to retain a bunch and pay a premium to get rid of him. No reason to do it. And I’d rather see Burns gone anyway.
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17 juin 2021 à 16 h 50
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If you actually look at it more closely, it’s only a “crapshoot-y” draft once you drop out of the top 10. Sure, there aren’t nearly as many high end prospects as in previous drafts, but there will be legit talent at 7. That’s just not the case for the Carolina pick. Plus Karlsson isn’t even worth dumping for us since we know we’d have to retain a bunch and pay a premium to get rid of him. No reason to do it. And I’d rather see Burns gone anyway.


I actually see the top 10 as extremely crapshoot-y as well. For example, I have Lysell and Robertsson in my personal top ten, but a lot of scouts, including Pronman, have them going either in the late-first or early-2nd.
17 juin 2021 à 17 h 0
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I actually see the top 10 as extremely crapshoot-y as well. For example, I have Lysell and Robertsson in my personal top ten, but a lot of scouts, including Pronman, have them going either in the late-first or early-2nd.


Quoting: Hockyluv21
You're moving 19 spots down in a crapshoot-y draft, not dealing a first away. This may be the best possible draft to have a late 1st round pick because the scouting is so all-over-the-place this year. And you're clearing huge amounts of long-term cap.


19 spots down isn’t the best move tho.

SJS biggest positional need is:
Goaltending
Defensive D
A New Center threat
Scoring Player (a definite shooter)
Depth (tho that’s not really positional)

Where imo, Wallstedt SHOULD and likely will be available from picks 5-12 which it isn’t likely falls 19 spots to CAR pick.

Additionally all the players within the general top 15 are (IMO) are all potential big time players. Crapshoot doesn’t mean bad; it just means uncertainty. And I certainly expect a worse gamble in those late picks than taking good bets at 7 in:

Wallstedt
Guenther
Sillinger
Eklund
Johnson
Clarke
Lysell

Etc.

The Sharks best option would be selecting Wallstedt 9/10 imo and as I said the Karlsson move you’ve suggested does not actually do anything positive. Barrie is more likely to put up 50 points on EDM then he is to put up 30 point on SJS (as he failed to lead the Leafs). Yea long term cap relief is cool, but the gain from those moves is negligible and likely just cycle repeats of now having Barrie on a iffy contract, with Karlsson’s retention with Gardiner losing his spot to Knyzhov because I’m confident Knyzhov is better (and he plays LD mainly). We gain a couple mil in relief with Barrie costing 6.2 + 2.5 Karlsson retention. So not a big clearing of cap at all actually.
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17 juin 2021 à 17 h 1
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I actually see the top 10 as extremely crapshoot-y as well. For example, I have Lysell and Robertsson in my personal top ten, but a lot of scouts, including Pronman, have them going either in the late-first or early-2nd.


I agree the consensus on guys like Lysell and Robertsson isn’t uniform (although I agree Lysell is top 10 deserving). But other than those guys its pretty clear that the top-7 will be Power, Beniers, Eklund, Edvinsson, Guenther, Hughes and Clarke. I’m comfortable staying at our draft position and taking pretty much any one of those guys. And even with that you still have Lysell and Wallstedt on the table which I’m fine with as well.
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I agree the consensus on guys like Lysell and Robertsson isn’t uniform (although I agree Lysell is top 10 deserving). But other than those guys its pretty clear that the top-7 will be Power, Beniers, Eklund, Edvinsson, Guenther, Hughes and Clarke. I’m comfortable staying at our draft position and taking pretty much any one of those guys. And even with that you still have Lysell and Wallstedt on the table which I’m fine with as well.


Plus Sillinger and McTavish could jump into the top 10 (I’m a huge Sillinger fan, I’d really like him to be in Teal somehow if we get a pick 9-12).

Uncertainty is true, but talent is not. Some of these kids in the top 15 are gonna be unreal; if not a large majority of them. It’s just who hits and who won’t is the big issue. No one is definitive but there is a ton of talent.
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I agree the consensus on guys like Lysell and Robertsson isn’t uniform (although I agree Lysell is top 10 deserving). But other than those guys its pretty clear that the top-7 will be Power, Beniers, Eklund, Edvinsson, Guenther, Hughes and Clarke. I’m comfortable staying at our draft position and taking pretty much any one of those guys. And even with that you still have Lysell and Wallstedt on the table which I’m fine with as well.


That is true. I only posted the Karlsson idea, however, as a potential deal to make if Dougie leaves in a sign-and-trade (which looks like, at least right now, the only other potential outcome besides a re-signing). I bet that Carolina jumps all over either Lysell or Robertsson if they fall to #26 (with the latter a far likelier scenario considering McKenzie's and Pronman's boards).
17 juin 2021 à 17 h 18
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Plus Sillinger and McTavish could jump into the top 10 (I’m a huge Sillinger fan, I’d really like him to be in Teal somehow if we get a pick 9-12).

Uncertainty is true, but talent is not. Some of these kids in the top 15 are gonna be unreal; if not a large majority of them. It’s just who hits and who won’t is the big issue. No one is definitive but there is a ton of talent.


I honestly need to look into Sillinger and McTavish more, I’m not up to date with them (though I like what I see from McTavish). I wouldn’t reach for them with 7 personally though. If we could trade down to maybe 9-13 range I would be okay with taking one of them, but I think at 7 there are just too many better options.
17 juin 2021 à 17 h 22
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That is true. I only posted the Karlsson idea, however, as a potential deal to make if Dougie leaves in a sign-and-trade (which looks like, at least right now, the only other potential outcome besides a re-signing). I bet that Carolina jumps all over either Lysell or Robertsson if they fall to #26 (with the latter a far likelier scenario considering McKenzie's and Pronman's boards).


Yeah I get it for sure from CAR’s perspective. Honestly I wouldn’t be too tilted about losing Hamilton though. If he wants to sign for max term and 9+ million a year, you guys are probably better off letting him go in the long term. But I really don’t see Lysell or Robertsson going that low in the draft. Like obviously yes snatch them ASAP if they do, but I would have them at least top ~16ish. But what do I know I’m not a pro scout or NHL GM lol. You could be right.
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Yeah I get it for sure from CAR’s perspective. Honestly I wouldn’t be too tilted about losing Hamilton though. If he wants to sign for max term and 9+ million a year, you guys are probably better off letting him go in the long term. But I really don’t see Lysell or Robertsson going that low in the draft. Like obviously yes snatch them ASAP if they do, but I would have them at least top ~16ish. But what do I know I’m not a pro scout or NHL GM lol. You could be right.


Lysell and Robertsson are both pretty polarizing in the scouting community because neither have gotten a lot of ice time in the SHL, and there have been rumors of personality clashes with coaches in Lysell's case. Some guys are also not fans of Robertsson's skating, though I strongly disagree with that. Every time I've watched them play against guys around their age group, they always came across as some of the smartest and most skilled players out there.
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