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Friedman Hamilton makes sense here - so what does he cost

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: jun 16, 2021
Publié: 16 jun à 15 h 19
Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey
Explications
What would Carolina want in exchange for Hamilton's signing rights? Do we have any clue? I used 5th rounder since that is what Hayes and Edmundson got.

And contract look right?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Cormier, Evan1750 000 $
Greer, AJ1750 000 $
Merkley, Nick2850 000 $
Senn, Gilles2850 000 $
Studenic, Marian2850 000 $
Mcleod, Michael21 600 000 $
Kuokkanen, Janne32 000 000 $
Sharangovich, Yegor33 000 000 $
Siegenthaler, Jonas21 000 000 $
Dunn, Vince23 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Wedgewood, Scott11 000 000 $
Hamilton, Dougie79 500 000 $
Transactions
NJD
    What would rights to Dougie Hamilton cost (assuming a contract is agreed to before anyone makes this deal).
    CAR
    1. 2021 5e round pick (BUF)
    Comp is Kevin Hayes signing rights, traded from Winnipeg to Philly in 2019
    NJD
      SEA
      1. Butcher, Will
      NJD
      1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
      2. 2021 5e round pick (STL)
      STL
      1. 2021 1e round pick (NYI)
      NJD
      1. 2021 5e round pick (TOR)
      Any team
      TOR
      1. Johnsson, Andreas
      Rachats de contrats
      • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
      Frais appliqués
      • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
      ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
      2021
      NJD
      NYI
      NJD
      NJD
      STL
      TOR
      NJD
      ARI
      2022
      NJD
      NJD
      NJD
      NJD
      EDM
      NYI
      NJD
      CBJ
      NJD
      NJD
      2023
      NJD
      NJD
      NJD
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      NJD
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      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2481 500 000 $67 541 666 $0 $4 690 000 $13 958 334 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      NJD
      Zacha, Pavel
      2 250 000 $
      AG, C
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Hischier, Nico
      7 250 000 $
      C
      UFA - 6
      NJD
      Bratt, Jesper
      2 750 000 $
      AG, AD
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Kuokkanen, Janne
      2 000 000 $
      AG, C
      RFA
      NJD
      Hughes, Jack
      925 000 $
      C
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Sharangovich, Yegor
      3 000 000 $
      AD, AG, C
      RFA
      NJD
      Foote, Nolan
      863 333 $
      AG
      RFA - 3
      NJD
      Boqvist, Jesper
      925 000 $
      C, AG, AD
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Holtz, Alexander
      925 000 $
      AD, AG
      RFA - 3
      NJD
      Wood, Miles
      2 750 000 $
      AG
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Mcleod, Michael
      1 600 000 $
      C
      RFA - 2
      NJD
      Bastian, Nathan
      825 000 $
      AD, C
      RFA - 2
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      NJD
      Smith, Ty
      863 333 $
      DG/DD
      RFA - 2
      Hamilton, Dougie
      9 500 000 $
      DD
      UFA
      NJD
      Blackwood, Mackenzie
      2 800 000 $
      G
      RFA - 2
      NJD
      Siegenthaler, Jonas
      1 000 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 2
      NJD
      Severson, Damon
      4 166 666 $
      DD
      UFA - 2
      NJD
      Wedgewood, Scott
      1 000 000 $
      G
      UFA - 1
      Dunn, Vince
      3 000 000 $
      DG/DD
      RFA
      NJD
      Subban, P.K.
      9 000 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      NJD
      Ristolainen, Rasmus
      5 400 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
      NJD
      Maltsev, Mikhail
      809 167 $
      AG
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Mercer, Dawson
      894 167 $
      AD
      RFA - 3
      NJD
      Bahl, Kevin
      795 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 2
      Équipe de réserve
      NJD
      Studenic, Marian
      850 000 $ (0 $)
      AD
      RFA
      NJD
      Merkley, Nick
      850 000 $ (0 $)
      AD, C
      RFA
      NJD
      Senn, Gilles
      850 000 $ (0 $)
      G
      RFA
      NJD
      Okhotyuk, Nikita
      789 167 $ (0 $)
      DG
      RFA - 3
      NJD
      Clarke, Graeme
      850 833 $ (0 $)
      AD, C
      RFA - 3

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      16 jun à 15 h 22
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      How did Risto appear in your ACGM ? :o
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      16 jun à 15 h 23
      #2
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      Quoting: Taz
      How did Risto appear in your ACGM ? :o


      That’s so strange
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      16 jun à 15 h 24
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      Wait did I miss something? Why does Ristolainen have a Devils logo on him, and how is he on this team without making a trade?
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      16 jun à 15 h 24
      #4
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      Quoting: Taz
      How did Risto appear in your ACGM ? :o


      Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
      Wait did I miss something? Why does Ristolainen have a Devils logo on him, and how is he on this team without making a trade?


      About to ask the same question
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      16 jun à 15 h 25
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      Hamilton's rights for a 5th is fair, but I think Hamilton is going to get an 8 year offer from a team, and that team will pay more to Carolina for a sign and trade. What that price is I have no idea given that sign and trades are extremely rare, but I think someone like Hamilton will get that offer
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      16 jun à 15 h 25
      #6
      Your deal is bad
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      No one knows what the cost will be, but I do think it will be slightly higher than that. We got a 5th for Edmundson's right last year, so a 4th or 3rd?
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      16 jun à 15 h 25
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      Oh no

      Risto with a Devils logo

      F***
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      16 jun à 15 h 27
      #8
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      Signing rights don't mean much now. Players have one week to negotiate with all teams before they actually be signed.
      Not sure of what Hamilton's motivation would be to sign before he explored all his UFA options. Just my opinion, if Hamilton's only motivation is $$$$, some team is going to pay too much. And 9.5m might too much, maybe not this year but later.
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      16 jun à 15 h 27
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      Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
      No one knows what the cost will be, but I do think it will be slightly higher than that. We got a 5th for Edmundson's right last year, so a 4th or 3rd?


      That was what I was thinking - a 2022 4th since we have a few of them.
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      16 jun à 15 h 27
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      If a deal is in place before the trade is made, it’s a sign and trade, in which case you’d have to pretty much pay full trade price for him. I don’t think there’s ever been an official sign and trade. Even with mark stone to vegas, that deal was negotiated right after the trade was made, the only thing that happened pre-trade was stone informing vegas he’d be open to a deal.

      When looking at the Hayes to Philly deal, the trade happened and it took like 2-3 weeks after the trade before a deal was announced.

      To just get his rights with no indication of whether he would resign or not, likely costs you a 4th. But if CAR allows the devils to speak with him, and he informs the devils he’d be open to signing a long term deal, then it probably would be shaped around the stone trade. Like a 2nd and bahl type of deal. Maybe more but I’m not sure.
      16 jun à 15 h 28
      #11
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      I would lower the contract to 7x8.5
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      16 jun à 15 h 30
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      Quoting: toque
      Hamilton's rights for a 5th is fair, but I think Hamilton is going to get an 8 year offer from a team, and that team will pay more to Carolina for a sign and trade. What that price is I have no idea given that sign and trades are extremely rare, but I think someone like Hamilton will get that offer


      I don’t think there’s ever been an official sign and trade in the last 20 or so years. Maybe a long time ago, but it’s extremely rare. Stone was the closest and it wasn’t even a sign and trade as the deal wasn’t negotiated until after the trade. I’d be shocked to see a true sign and trade deal. Maybe something shaped around the stone deal, where hamilton says he’s open to resigning there, and then a deal is made after the trade.
      16 jun à 15 h 32
      #13
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      if its a sign and trade its gonna cost NJ some good picks and prospects

      if its his signing rights a mid pick or B prospect should get it

      if its through FA nothing (just 8.5-10mill in cap space)
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      16 jun à 15 h 36
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      Quoting: palhal
      Signing rights don't mean much now. Players have one week to negotiate with all teams before they actually be signed.
      Not sure of what Hamilton's motivation would be to sign before he explored all his UFA options. Just my opinion, if Hamilton's only motivation is $$$$, some team is going to pay too much. And 9.5m might too much, maybe not this year but later.


      Especially since the Canes have already given him permission to speak to teams about a contract. So unless the sign-and-trade for an 8 year deal (which has never happened before) is happening, it would be useless to trade for Hamilton’s rights.
      16 jun à 15 h 44
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      Quoting: Devil1122
      Oh no

      Risto with a Devils logo

      F***


      Golly. Do you think if we gave a 2nd, Buffalo would take him back?
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      16 jun à 16 h 12
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      Golly. Do you think if we gave a 2nd, Buffalo would take him back?


      I hope

      Just don't want him on the team unless incentives
      16 jun à 16 h 13
      #17
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      Quoting: Devil1122
      I hope

      Just don't want him on the team unless incentives


      I cannot figure how he got onto this team.
      When I try to edit it, he is not there.
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      16 jun à 16 h 14
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      I cannot figure how he got onto this team.
      When I try to edit it, he is not there.


      So it looks like there have been some Risto to NJ rumours, so I guess that a person working on CapFriendly accidentally jumped the gun and put him on New Jersey, and fixed their mistake quickly.
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      16 jun à 16 h 23
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      I cannot figure how he got onto this team.
      When I try to edit it, he is not there.


      Its really weird. Considering the Devils having interest in Risto its especially weird.
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      16 jun à 16 h 33
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      That’s so strange


      Bro can you tell us how this happened? Are you the son of CapFriendly?
      16 jun à 16 h 34
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      His rights alone would probably be worth slightly higher than a 5th because he’s an elite to pair D, not a 2C/2LD, however those aren’t great comparable because the situation is different. In those cases, the rights were dealt for a pick, and then negotiations started (basically a pick for a week of exclusive negotiation rights). In this situation, Hamilton gets to negotiate beforehand so there’s no risk, if you’re trading for him you know you’ve got a deal, and you also get the 8th year if it’s a sign and trade, both of which have significantly more value and will raise the cost. I offered a B prospect plus a 2nd in an ACGM yesterday, I think that would probably be fair, I don’t see him bringing in a top tier prospect or pick. One podcast I listened to suggested that PK Subban half retained would be a good return, as Carolina is more concerned with the present so an NHL body is preferred.
      16 jun à 16 h 34
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      Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
      So it looks like there have been some Risto to NJ rumours, so I guess that a person working on CapFriendly accidentally jumped the gun and put him on New Jersey, and fixed their mistake quickly.


      I hope it's just a mistake
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      16 jun à 16 h 35
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      Quoting: Devil1122
      I hope it's just a mistake


      Well there’s no sources whatsoever reporting a trade is done, so it’s definitely a mistake.
      16 jun à 17 h 22
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      A 5th for Johnsson is a terrible trade. A first for Dunn might be an overpayment but it's not terrible especially with the Isles 1st. I'd definitely consider it.
      16 jun à 17 h 30
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      Quoting: Taz
      How did Risto appear in your ACGM ? :o


      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      That’s so strange


      I believe it is mandatory to have Risto in each ACGM.
       
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