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Lol how is that undervaluing Bertuzzi? If anything that is overpayment. A high end prospect, a 1st, a top 6 D with top 4 potential in the right situation and a B level prospect is a huge haul that would get the Leafs someone much better than Bertuzzi.

Yzerman isn’t taking your trash

How is this trash??

Not even an nhl 21 GM would accept that trade

That’s not enough for someone who’s broken almost broken 50 points before against ppl who will never break 35 points in one season and even though Bertuzzi only played 9 games this year he still had 7 points

That’s a solid Bertuzzi trade imo. It probably just comes down to how Yzerman feels about Bertuzzi’s long term future in Detroit.

Robertson would probably crack 35 points in one season

You're undervaluing Tyler Bertuzzi and overvaluing one year of Morgan Rielly.

As you yourself point out, Bertuzzi is a first-line power forward, which is why you're acquiring him and where you're playing him. Such players are far more valuable than all but the best of prospects, no matter how bright. Robertson is a very, very good prospect and the 2022 first is a good framework with him, but that's only a start. Steve Yzerman isn't going to trade Bertuzzi unless he gets a top-10 pick or significant compensating additions. Dermott is expansion-draft fodder and Der-Arguchintsov is, as noted above, a B prospect. That just doesn't cut it.

One cn argue tht with his injury history from last year, Toronto might be hesitant to make this trade, but that's an entirely different issue unrelated to his trade value. If Toronto decided he was healthy enough to acquire, it would take a lot more than this.

Robertson to replace Bertuzzi in the top 6
Der-Arguchintsev as a potential 3C and a guy
Dermott to play in the top 4
A 1st rounder in a deep draft

If those Leafs are as good as you say...then the Leafs shouldn't make the deal. I would rather keep the cost efficient players and spend some cap at centre. I don't understand the love for Foligno or even Olesiak, for the price you suggest/

I agree I don't think this is awful, maybe swapping Dermott with koukkanen would make this alot better and more of what Detroit would be asking for. I'm thinking some tinkering with some mid round picks could also help.

This is probably the only Bertuzzi trade that I've seen that isn't totally delusional. +1 for that.

Dermott is the wrong guy though. He doesn't fit well in what Detroit needs and they can't protect him in the expansion draft. He actually has negative value in this deal.

If you were to swap him out for Liljegren I would be happy to do this deal.

I don't think it's bad. I could see Yzerman doing it if he likes Robertson

The trade would be horrendous for Detroit

This trade works for both teams, gives each team exactly what they need. Wings get a mantha like haul and leafs get a guy that will help them come playoff time

Dude your an absolute joke. Your a troll your always on leaf pages whenever the leafs make a trade with the wings and all u say is ur not taking our trash. Just to let everyone know on another armchairgm this guy called Robertson a bust. This would be the steal of the century. And its not close. Bertuzzi scored 2 20 goal seasons, your telling me thats worth the best scorer in the OHL last year, and a first round pick along with a B level prospect and Dermott. U are straight dumb. Ur an actual joke. Stop embarrassing wing fans u clown. Go get a life and stop refreshing the leafs section waiting for a leafs and wings trade to pop up.

I think that's a pretty decent offer for Bertuzzi. I'm not convinced it is what Detroit would be looking for. It would really depend on how they value Robertson and as others pointed out Dermott probably isn't a good option unless it's post expansion. But good job here it's a decent attempt for sure.

I’m amazed how many Leaf fans want to to trade Rielly. He’s the teams best dman by a mile.

im a bruins fan just want to clarify before i state my opinion. the way i see it is that the assets toronto would be sending to detroit are good assets for the future, nicolas robertson received a lot of attention this year and proved to be a solid prospect but that's the thing "prospect" Toronto is in a win now mode so adding bertuzzi would help them become better, for detroit they are only a few years into their rebuilding phase which usually takes 5-10 years unless you really hit the jackpot with all your prospects. Bertuzzi is 26 so lets say detroit become cup contenders 6 years from now, he is now 32 chances are he isn't as fast and athletic as he once was but is now a smarter player obvioulsy experience comes with age but the thing is detroit has a lot of top prospects so where does bertuzzi fit in their team at that point with them having another top 10 pick and having a billion picks in the next few years and then up and coming forwards veleno, rasmussen, berggren, raymond, mastrosimone, etc and then young stars and potential stars already in the league larkin, vrana, zadina, hirose, giovanni smith, svechnikov i just don't see where bertuzzi fits into their plans. i still see detroit being the lottery for the next 2 seasons atleast so add a few more guys so lets say half the guys turn out to what their potential is that would be 6-8 forwards between the ages of 24-29 i just think bertuzzi would slowly get pushed out of the top 6. If im detroit i would maximize on his value now and acquire more picks and prospects that fit in with the age of the team

Because he is a pending UFA, don't wanna lose him for nothing

Detroit will start improving rapidly in the season '22-'23 and should have a chance to make the playoffs in '23-'24. Around the same time Bertuzzi would start to find himself on the 3rd line. Normally that would be when Detroit starts to think about turning him into something younger. Any team that wants him earlier than then will have to overpay and overpay more the earlier they want him.

This is a good example of an ACGM that's understood this. This is a good enough haul to make Detroit interested, just get rid of Dermott and add Liljegren due to positional and organisational needs in Detroit.

Why would Detroit want liljegren? He’s a RHD and they already have stecher, Seider and hronek that are RHD’s? I can see dermott more staying on the trade but maybe adding another 1st or a few other picks

Detroit wants Liljegren because he's exempt from waivers and the only prospect Detroit have in Grand Rapids is Seth Barton and he'd totally cave if he would have to be called up to cover for an injury. The only other unsigned prospect Detroit have on RD is Tuomisto and he's in college until 2024.

A further reason is that Stecher is on his last year of his contract and he's an upcoming UFA and there is no way of knowing if he's even interested in an extension or if he would be what salary he'd want. There's a significant risk that Stecher will have to be traded at the deadline as a rental.

Those two reasons are why I want Liljegren. He's good enough to cover in case of injuries and if Stecher has to be traded he can step in immediately, something that Seth Barton is a long way from being capable of.

The situation on the left side is less severe with Lindström able to cover that side too, he did so at the end of last season when paired with Hronek on the top pair.

And who is going to replace him? Maybe its time to move on from one of the horrid big contracts.

LOL Detroit fans think this is undervaluing Bertuzzi!?!

This season, he had 7 points in 9 games played. But I'm not going to count that cause that's a small sample size.

Last szn in 71 games he had 48 points. That's by no means bad, that actually pretty good. But that doesn't mean that the Leafs should throw a 1st round pick, and 3 VERY talented prospects just for him.

Yzerman would accept this trade blind, as this is a win for Detroit for sure.