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It happened with Aho so don't tell me it would never happen. At the very least it forces VAN's hand to move their dead ap. Hawks would be more than happy to take Loui and Rousell for your 1st if they plan to match this OS
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15 juin 2021 à 8 h 53
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I think VAN matches
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I think VAN matches


That's fine, They'll have to trade erikson and rousell to be able to afford it. Hawks can be first in line to take those cap dumps
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Considering Jim Benning is well Jim Benning there’s a chance he doesn’t match
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Don’t think that gets you Lindholm, but CHI is a sneaky good candidate for Pettersson OS. Really like the idea, even if I would hate to have him in division.
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That's fine, They'll have to trade erikson and rousell to be able to afford it. Hawks can be first in line to take those cap dumps


No they won't. Considering Jay Beagle is likely LTIR next season, and Holtby is a good candidate to be taken by Seattle, they'll have the room to match with ease.
15 juin 2021 à 9 h 11
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literally every GM except benning would offer him more.
15 juin 2021 à 9 h 14
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no chance. canucks would match in a heart beat.not even a thought.
15 juin 2021 à 9 h 26
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No they won't. Considering Jay Beagle is likely LTIR next season, and Holtby is a good candidate to be taken by Seattle, they'll have the room to match with ease.


0% chance Seattle takes Hotlby unless VAN is paying huge draft capital to do so. WAY too many Goalies out there that are far better than Holtby and on better contracts. Holtby was literally the worst goalie in the entire NHL outside of Philadelphia last year and makes $4.3M and then Seattle would lose the asset after 1 year of overpaying for a bad goalie.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=n&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
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I don't think the Hawks should do this. Too much money for Petterson and too short of term. He's a fine player, but he's not in his prime right now and we're paying him like he is.
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15 juin 2021 à 10 h 34
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Don’t think that gets you Lindholm, but CHI is a sneaky good candidate for Pettersson OS. Really like the idea, even if I would hate to have him in division.


I don't think the Ducks get much better for Lindholm, he's a rental UFA and while good he's not a star so don't see them getting much better.
15 juin 2021 à 10 h 49
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0% chance Seattle takes Hotlby unless VAN is paying huge draft capital to do so. WAY too many Goalies out there that are far better than Holtby and on better contracts. Holtby was literally the worst goalie in the entire NHL outside of Philadelphia last year and makes $4.3M and then Seattle would lose the asset after 1 year of overpaying for a bad goalie.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=n&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL


This is one spot where stats don't tell the whole story. Through the second half of last season Holtby was a beast. He struggled to start this season which is expected when coming to a new team, but his second half says that he wasn't the worst goalie outside of Philly.

Also, who else is Seattle going to take? Vancouver is set up pretty well with the expansion draft so there isn't much to choose from. A veteran goalie like him with a cup to his name, and only 1 year left on his deal is actually a pretty good piece. Could be a good bet to a younger goalie they bring in and flip him at the deadline if they wanted to.

Canucks likely protect 7-3-1 in the way of:
Pettersson
Miller
Horvat
Boeser
Pearson
Motte
(Any forward of Roussel, Lind, of Gadjovich)

Myers
Schmidt
Juolevi

Demko


Leaving Seattle with: (two of Roussel, Lind, or Gadovich, Highmore, MacEwen, Bowey, or Holtby.


So there's nothing better than to pick Holtby from that list.
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This is one spot where stats don't tell the whole story. Through the second half of last season Holtby was a beast. He struggled to start this season which is expected when coming to a new team, but his second half says that he wasn't the worst goalie outside of Philly.

Also, who else is Seattle going to take? Vancouver is set up pretty well with the expansion draft so there isn't much to choose from. A veteran goalie like him with a cup to his name, and only 1 year left on his deal is actually a pretty good piece. Could be a good bet to a younger goalie they bring in and flip him at the deadline if they wanted to.

Canucks likely protect 7-3-1 in the way of:
Pettersson
Miller
Horvat
Boeser
Pearson
Motte
(Any forward of Roussel, Lind, of Gadjovich)

Myers
Schmidt
Juolevi

Demko


Leaving Seattle with: (two of Roussel, Lind, or Gadovich, Highmore, MacEwen, Bowey, or Holtby.


So there's nothing better than to pick Holtby from that list.


I 100% agree with you that VAN is set up very nicely for expansion. In my opinion, we're looking at this differently. You're looking at it from VAN's point of view. I believe I'm looking at it from Seattle's point of view. The goalie options SEA has that IMO are all better are from

MIN (Talbot/Kappo), but Dumba is the clear choice there if available.
WAS, Samsynov/Vanecek. Both RFAs that are playing well. Maybe Dillon gets selected?
COL - Francouz, but Graves is likely to be take. (At this point, note how many Dmen can be selected too...they don't need 11 Dmen. One of these goalies will/should get selected.)
DAL - Khudobin - not too many other options.
MTL - Jake Allen - not too many other options

BUT that also leaves out the even better idea that they can grab an asset from VAN for free ANYTHING without a cap hit, but sign Bernier/Raanta/Dreidger/ Halak/Hutton/Ullmark/Reimer/Mrazek/Rittich/etc...

I think seattle takes a forward prospect form VAN...whatever's left over from Lind/Gadjobich. AGAIN, VAN is set up really good here. I just don't see Seattle taking on that much cap for a bad goalie that only has 1 year left. It's poor asset management. If VAN wants to send a 2nd round pick to shed $4M+...that's a different story.
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I 100% agree with you that VAN is set up very nicely for expansion. In my opinion, we're looking at this differently. You're looking at it from VAN's point of view. I believe I'm looking at it from Seattle's point of view. The goalie options SEA has that IMO are all better are from

MIN (Talbot/Kappo), but Dumba is the clear choice there if available.
WAS, Samsynov/Vanecek. Both RFAs that are playing well. Maybe Dillon gets selected?
COL - Francouz, but Graves is likely to be take. (At this point, note how many Dmen can be selected too...they don't need 11 Dmen. One of these goalies will/should get selected.)
DAL - Khudobin - not too many other options.
MTL - Jake Allen - not too many other options

BUT that also leaves out the even better idea that they can grab an asset from VAN for free ANYTHING without a cap hit, but sign Bernier/Raanta/Dreidger/ Halak/Hutton/Ullmark/Reimer/Mrazek/Rittich/etc...

I think seattle takes a forward prospect form VAN...whatever's left over from Lind/Gadjobich. AGAIN, VAN is set up really good here. I just don't see Seattle taking on that much cap for a bad goalie that only has 1 year left. It's poor asset management. If VAN wants to send a 2nd round pick to shed $4M+...that's a different story.


I think the only real option that you just pointed out that will be likely taken will be Khudobin.

100% Kahkonen gets protected and Dumba gets selected if he isn't traded - so no Talbot there.

Samsonov is likely the guy protected in Washington and Vanecek is nothing more than an AHL starter, maybe decent backup at best. Other options like Raffl and Spring will be left available and more enticing for Seattle. So I don't see a goalie there going to Seattle.

Francouz isn't better than Holtby. And yea I agree that Graves is the easy option if he isn't moved.

Montreal likely works out a deal with Seattle to protect both of Price and Allen. With Price'a injury history and Primeau not ready for NHL time yet, that's exactly why Bergevin brought in Allen and immediately signed him to an extension. Can't see them letting him go and there's other young options like Cale Fleury who could be taken there so I don't see that as likely.

On the other hand, from Vancouver there just really aren't any good options from Seattle's point of view. So why not grab a former Vezina and Cup winner in Holtby and flip him at the deadline, where like we saw this year goalies were a hot commodity. Seems like a fairly good option to me.
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So why not grab a former Vezina and Cup winner in Holtby and flip him at the deadline, where like we saw this year goalies were a hot commodity. Seems like a fairly good option to me.


The answer is definitely...that he stinks and costs $4.3M. Literally the worst goalie outside of Philadelphia last year. IMO it doesn't really matter if you want to cherry pick different games to try to illustrate he wasn't as terrible as he was... He was terrible and you really want to get rid of him. I get it. Taking a bad goalie, with a large cap hit, that you'll only have for one year is bad asset management.

Taking no one from VAN is a better option than Holtby.
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The answer is definitely...that he stinks and costs $4.3M. Literally the worst goalie outside of Philadelphia last year. IMO it doesn't really matter if you want to cherry pick different games to try to illustrate he wasn't as terrible as he was... He was terrible and you really want to get rid of him. I get it. Taking a bad goalie, with a large cap hit, that you'll only have for one year is bad asset management.

Taking no one from VAN is a better option than Holtby.


I think you're wrong to just look at stats over the full course of the season - forgetting that Vancouver started off as a terrible defensive team and then got hit hard by COVID for a month. & again, the second half of the season Holtby was way better. Coming from someone that watched probably 90% of the game sin the snorts this season, Holtby was probably the second best goalie behind Hellebuyck in the second half. I think you writing him off just based on stats and not taking other serious factors into consideration isn't the right way to go about it.
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I think you're wrong to just look at stats over the full course of the season - forgetting that Vancouver started off as a terrible defensive team and then got hit hard by COVID for a month. & again, the second half of the season Holtby was way better. Coming from someone that watched probably 90% of the game sin the snorts this season, Holtby was probably the second best goalie behind Hellebuyck in the second half. I think you writing him off just based on stats and not taking other serious factors into consideration isn't the right way to go about it.


What about the $4.3M cap hit AND the fact that Seattle will lose him after one season? Let's pretend he is a good goalie (which I don't agree with, but let's pretend). That's still poor asset management. You can get an asset for free from every single team. Why go out of your way to help another team AND hurt yours. VAN has indeed done a very good job for Expansion. Draft Lind/Gadjobich and develop them. Draft Khudobin and sign a UFA for less money that's equally as good as Holtby. (I think better than Holtby, but pretending he's decent) You still win if you're Seattle because it's a lower cap hit and likely longer term. Seattle shouldn't be going out of their way to help VAN without getting something back. That's how Seattle would/should/will IMO look at it.
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I think you're wrong to just look at stats over the full course of the season - forgetting that Vancouver started off as a terrible defensive team and then got hit hard by COVID for a month. & again, the second half of the season Holtby was way better. Coming from someone that watched probably 90% of the game sin the snorts this season, Holtby was probably the second best goalie behind Hellebuyck in the second half. I think you writing him off just based on stats and not taking other serious factors into consideration isn't the right way to go about it.


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What about the $4.3M cap hit AND the fact that Seattle will lose him after one season? Let's pretend he is a good goalie (which I don't agree with, but let's pretend). That's still poor asset management. You can get an asset for free from every single team. Why go out of your way to help another team AND hurt yours. VAN has indeed done a very good job for Expansion. Draft Lind/Gadjobich and develop them. Draft Khudobin and sign a UFA for less money that's equally as good as Holtby. (I think better than Holtby, but pretending he's decent) You still win if you're Seattle because it's a lower cap hit and likely longer term. Seattle shouldn't be going out of their way to help VAN without getting something back. That's how Seattle would/should/will IMO look at it.


Holtby won't be taken unless Van is paying for them to take him
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What about the $4.3M cap hit AND the fact that Seattle will lose him after one season? Let's pretend he is a good goalie (which I don't agree with, but let's pretend). That's still poor asset management. You can get an asset for free from every single team. Why go out of your way to help another team AND hurt yours. VAN has indeed done a very good job for Expansion. Draft Lind/Gadjobich and develop them. Draft Khudobin and sign a UFA for less money that's equally as good as Holtby. (I think better than Holtby, but pretending he's decent) You still win if you're Seattle because it's a lower cap hit and likely longer term. Seattle shouldn't be going out of their way to help VAN without getting something back. That's how Seattle would/should/will IMO look at it.


Because it's still valuable to have a GM veteran that's won a Stanley Cup in the locker room. Especially with goalies. Vegas did it with Fleury who was on a downward trend at the time (they were compensated with a pick but still took him for his leadership.

& the $4.3M cap hit isn't that bad. Come deadline day, they can easily retain 50% and send him to a contender to help with a cup run. Hell Toronto would likely do that in a heart beat to back Campbell up, they did a similar thing this season with Rittich (who's way worse than Holtby). It's not poor asset management if you use the asset correctly and move him later. Just because Seattle selects someone in the expansion draft doesn't mean they're stuck with him until the contract runs out.
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Because it's still valuable to have a GM veteran that's won a Stanley Cup in the locker room. Especially with goalies. Vegas did it with Fleury who was on a downward trend at the time (they were compensated with a pick but still took him for his leadership.

& the $4.3M cap hit isn't that bad. Come deadline day, they can easily retain 50% and send him to a contender to help with a cup run. Hell Toronto would likely do that in a heart beat to back Campbell up, they did a similar thing this season with Rittich (who's way worse than Holtby). It's not poor asset management if you use the asset correctly and move him later. Just because Seattle selects someone in the expansion draft doesn't mean they're stuck with him until the contract runs out.


You are missing the point, Fleury had term, holtby does not.
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You are missing the point, Fleury had term, holtby does not.


@TrueCanuck Good convo 1st of all. I respect everyone's opinions. None of us are GMs. I actually think you guys both missed the point of Fleury...Vegas RECEIVED a 2nd rounder to take him off PIT's hands. So, even if you're good (which Holtby isn't) it could still take draft capital to shed a goalie that's overpaid. Fleury being better, but had a higher cap hit.

As a side note...it's ironic that the exact pick PIT sent to Vegas to lose Flower...was traded to the Hawks for Lehner half retained....and even more ironic is that the pick when to draft another goalie...Drew Commesso.
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You are missing the point, Fleury had term, holtby does not.


You're missing the point. A pending free agent goalie can easily be flipped at the deadline with half retained salary and Holtby gets at least a late 2nd in return. For for a building franchise, is a valuable asset
 
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