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After a Cup win Krak game

Créé par: OlegP
Date de création initiale: jun 14, 2021
Publié: 14 jun à 13 h 13
Équipe: 2021-22 Golden Knights de Vegas
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Martinez, Alec33 300 000 $
Lundqvist, Henrik1950 000 $
Transactions
VGK
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. Tanev, Brandon
  3. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Fleury, Marc-André (2 000 000 $ retained)
VGK
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
TOR
  1. Smith, Reilly
VGK
  1. Neal, James (2 875 000 $ retained)
  2. 2021 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Holden, Nick
VGK
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Borgen, William [Droits de RFA]
BUF
  1. Karlsson, William
  2. Glass, Cody
  3. Neal, James
  4. DeSmith, Casey
  5. 2021 1e round pick (EDM)
  6. 2021 1e round pick (VGK)
  7. 2022 1e round pick (VGK)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Marc-André Fleury: 2 000 000 $ (28.57%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
NJD
WPG
CAR
VGK
VGK
2022
VGK
PIT
VAN
WPG
VGK
CHI
VGK
VGK
2023
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $81 040 772 $285 772 $412 500 $459 228 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
VGK
Pacioretty, Max
7 000 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
VGK
Stone, Mark
9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
VGK
Stephenson, Chandler
2 750 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 3
VGK
Marchessault, Jonathan
5 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
VGK
Roy, Nicolas
750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
VGK
Tuch, Alex
4 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
VGK
Carrier, William
1 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
VGK
Kolesar, Keegan
725 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
VGK
Reaves, Ryan
1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
VGK
Krebs, Peyton
863 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
VGK
Martinez, Alec
3 300 000 $
DG
UFA
VGK
Pietrangelo, Alex
8 800 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
VGK
Lehner, Robin
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 4
VGK
McNabb, Brayden
2 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
VGK
Theodore, Shea
5 200 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Lundqvist, Henrik
950 000 $
G
UFA
VGK
Hague, Nicolas
791 667 $
DG
RFA - 1
VGK
Whitecloud, Zach
725 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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14 jun à 13 h 20
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Might need Krebs in that JE trade.
14 jun à 13 h 26
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Why would the OIlers trade a 1st with Neal to cap dump and retain half his salary? Just buy him out at that point....
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14 jun à 13 h 26
#3
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Be foolish for Vegas not to extend their Cup window without being eligible for expansion casualties. They need to make things happen with a Cap crunch coming.

Tanev, Kerfoot are expansion fodder unless traded. Oilers are desperate to create cap space and the Pens need to win now with Malkin's last year before UFA. Vegas has always been bold. I dont see how they dont go after JE. They'll need assets. Picking up drafts picks from the likes of the Pens and Oilers would be ideal.
14 jun à 13 h 26
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An Eichel trade starts with Tuch and Hague...otherwise you might as well save your time.
14 jun à 13 h 27
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Quoting: Shnooks
An Eichel trade starts with Tuch and Hague...otherwise you might as well save your time.


lol
14 jun à 13 h 28
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Quoting: OlegP
lol


I see you don't get how this works.

Go figure.
14 jun à 13 h 32
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Quoting: rpain
Why would the OIlers trade a 1st with Neal to cap dump and retain half his salary? Just buy him out at that point....


Do the calculations buyout costs 8 million spread over 4 years.

This trade costs 5.6 million over two years

2.4 million in space is quite a bit for a mediocre pick in 2021. Marleau's 4 million went for a better pick and was only for 1 year. This is 4 years spread out. More than reasonable
14 jun à 13 h 39
#8
Pain.
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I would do that if I were Dubas
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14 jun à 13 h 42
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Quoting: Nate
I would do that if I were Dubas


Smith looks to be available as Vegas was trying desperately to move a winger last Summer. Even heard MaxPac's name out there. Seems like a win-win trade for Vegas/Toronto. Kerfoot would fit in well in Vegas as center depth. Toronto doesnt lose Kerfoot for nothing in expansion. Smith is a really good complementary player that shoots a ton. I doubt Seattle would take him as he's older and if they do take Reilly Smith, no loss either way.
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14 jun à 13 h 43
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Quoting: OlegP
Do the calculations buyout costs 8 million spread over 4 years.

This trade costs 5.6 million over two years

2.4 million in space is quite a bit for a mediocre pick in 2021. Marleau's 4 million went for a better pick and was only for 1 year. This is 4 years spread out. More than reasonable


The difference is Toronto saw themselves as legitimate cup contenders and expectation was that pick would be in the high 20s (they figure they'll win a round sometime) and saw it as worth it to buy the cap space now. Holland has been preaching patience, building a contender first, and picking and choosing when you go all in. The Oilers aren't currently on the level where they trade a 1st to try and push them over the top, still stocking the cupboards by drafting our first rounders so that when that day comes (hopefully in a year or two), they have talented players on ELCs coming through to supplement the team. They have enough cap space opening up right now that they don't dump their 1st unless it's for more significant relief.
14 jun à 13 h 46
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Quoting: rpain
The difference is Toronto saw themselves as legitimate cup contenders and expectation was that pick would be in the high 20s (they figure they'll win a round sometime) and saw it as worth it to buy the cap space now. Holland has been preaching patience, building a contender first, and picking and choosing when you go all in. The Oilers aren't currently on the level where they trade a 1st to try and push them over the top, still stocking the cupboards by drafting our first rounders so that when that day comes (hopefully in a year or two), they have talented players on ELCs coming through to supplement the team. They have enough cap space opening up right now that they don't dump their 1st unless it's for more significant relief.



The difference being is a flat cap world.

You asked me why i told you salary cap savings. You clearly talked before realizing buying him out was more expensive and extensive.

Now you are moving the goal posts to say its not enough savings lol every dollar counts in 2021! You were wrong, just admit it. This is why i rarely visit this place, ppl cant admit when they are wrong and convos go in circles.
14 jun à 14 h 03
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Quoting: OlegP
The difference being is a flat cap world.

You asked me why i told you salary cap savings. You clearly talked before realizing buying him out was more expensive and extensive.

Now you are moving the goal posts to say its not enough savings lol every dollar counts in 2021! You were wrong, just admit it. This is why i rarely visit this place, ppl cant admit when they are wrong and convos go in circles.


This just in: guy who claims ppl can't admit when they're wrong and that's why he doesn't go on this site is wrong and won't admit it... Here is a more detailed explanation.

In the trade you propose: Oilers pay $2.875million for 2 years for a total of $5.75million
In a buy-out scenario: OIlers pay $1.917million for 4 years for a total of $7.667million

In your trade scenario, the Oilers would actually have an additional cap hit of $960k per year in years 1&2 before saving $1.917million in years 3 & 4. Overall they save $2million but are in the red for 2 years, at break-even after year 3, and save after year 4.

In no world is that worth a mid-late 1st round pick.
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14 jun à 14 h 09
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Quoting: rpain
This just in: guy who claims ppl can't admit when they're wrong and that's why he doesn't go on this site is wrong and won't admit it... Here is a more detailed explanation.

In the trade you propose: Oilers pay $2.875million for 2 years for a total of $5.75million
In a buy-out scenario: OIlers pay $1.917million for 4 years for a total of $7.667million

In your trade scenario, the Oilers would actually have an additional cap hit of $960k per year in years 1&2 before saving $1.917million in years 3 & 4. Overall they save $2million but are in the red for 2 years, at break-even after year 3, and save after year 4.

In no world is that worth a mid-late 1st round pick.


Another troll to block
14 jun à 14 h 38
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Quoting: OlegP
Another troll to block


Step 1: Accuse people of not admitting they're wrong.
Step 2: Get proven wrong with math.
Step 3: Call them a troll and block them.
14 jun à 16 h 58
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Vegas isn’t trading fleury and certainly not retaining….

I’d make that Eichel trade, but not sure buffalo would
14 jun à 20 h 52
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Quoting: VGKNation702
Vegas isn’t trading fleury and certainly not retaining….

I’d make that Eichel trade, but not sure buffalo would

You can’t have Eichel without trading Lehner or Fleury

Heard the same nonsense last offseason about Schmidt being dealt*

*in my ACGM last year for a 3rd rounder
14 jun à 21 h 49
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Quoting: OlegP
You can’t have Eichel without trading Lehner or Fleury

Heard the same nonsense last offseason about Schmidt being dealt*

*in my ACGM last year for a 3rd rounder


And how was Schmidt this year lol
25 jun à 1 h 11
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Quoting: VGKNation702
And how was Schmidt this year lol


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