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Defensive Stats Discussion

Créé par: mitchmarner16
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Date de création initiale: 13 juin 2021
Publié: 13 juin 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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We all know +/- doesn't tell the story.
But, what can we use other than the good old eye test to measure how good a player is defensively?
I have no idea
Below are some players people seem to think are good two-way players.
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
1281 500 000 $85 440 476 $0 $0 $-3 940 476 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
4 333 333 $4 333 333 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Logo de Bruins de Boston
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
C
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
7 575 000 $7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
G
UFA - 8

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13 juin 2021 à 21 h 44
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well i think couts, o'reilly, stone and bergeron are great two way players and the analytics back it up. look up jfresh on twitter, he tells u everything u need to know about the numbers and how they are measured
13 juin 2021 à 21 h 44
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Good ol' 2-way goalies
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13 juin 2021 à 21 h 45
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Good ol' 2-way goalies


I just needed to put a few goalies there so it looked good
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13 juin 2021 à 21 h 46
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well i think couts, o'reilly, stone and bergeron are great two way players and the analytics back it up. look up jfresh on twitter, he tells u everything u need to know about the numbers and how they are measured


what does couts mean?
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13 juin 2021 à 21 h 46
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Personally, I don't think there's any basic stat that can help you assess a player's defensive game.
13 juin 2021 à 21 h 46
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Quoting: mitchmarner16
what does couts mean?


Couturier. Thats his nickname
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13 juin 2021 à 21 h 54
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Personally, I don't think there's any basic stat that can help you assess a player's defensive game.


Some Corsi, Fenwick, xGA, xGF, +/-xGF stats can defiently help to you to tell the story but you also need to understand matchups, conditions, teams, linemates, etc.
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13 juin 2021 à 22 h 1
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two words Seth Jones

Jones is a Dman who defies all logic

if you test him based on analytics he would be above average

but if you test him on the basis of eye testing hes one of the best Dman out there
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13 juin 2021 à 22 h 4
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Couturier. Thats his nickname

Thanks, it makes that comment make sense now
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13 juin 2021 à 22 h 5
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Some Corsi, Fenwick, xGA, xGF, +/-xGF stats can defiently help to you to tell the story but you also need to understand matchups, conditions, teams, linemates, etc.

Yep
13 juin 2021 à 22 h 6
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Quoting: aadoyle
two words Seth Jones

Jones is a Dman who defies all logic

if you test him based on analytics he would be above average

but if you test him on the basis of eye testing hes one of the best Dman out there

I agree.
Last season against CBJ in the play-ins he was always playing, and playing like a beast
I love Seth Jones
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13 juin 2021 à 22 h 9
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Quoting: aadoyle
two words Seth Jones

Jones is a Dman who defies all logic

if you test him based on analytics he would be above average

but if you test him on the basis of eye testing hes one of the best Dman out there


Jones' analytics are actually below average, per xGA/60 and xG+-/60
13 juin 2021 à 22 h 13
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If we are talking about a 2-way game, Alex Barkov, and Jonathan Huberdeau both have to be here. Eye test is the best!
13 juin 2021 à 22 h 21
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
If we are talking about a 2-way game, Alex Barkov, and Jonathan Huberdeau both have to be here. Eye test is the best!

Don’t pay attention to the players that I have.
I agree, eye test is the best.
But for example I don’t watch many avalanche games because I am from ontario which are different time zones
So I don’t know how good Girard for example is defensively
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13 juin 2021 à 23 h 57
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Jones' analytics are actually below average, per xGA/60 and xG+-/60


yeah hes a weird case study, his analytics can be great one year, average another year, than crash

Thats why I say we cant rely on analytics alone for a player, especially a Dman
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14 juin 2021 à 13 h 21
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yeah hes a weird case study, his analytics can be great one year, average another year, than crash

Thats why I say we cant rely on analytics alone for a player, especially a Dman


Jones has actually only had one above average analytical year. It's like the opposite of the Jack Johnson debate when he was a king. Some thought he was great, some thought he was horrible and the analytics suggested he was awful.

Another similarity is Gardiner. His underlying numbers are fantastic, but people don't like him because he makes big defensive mistakes at the worst time.

Jones is the go to for the analytics community not liking someone who's beloved by the base community.
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