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Créé par: si5137
Date de création initiale: avr 30, 2021
Publié: 12 jun à 13 h 03
Équipe: 2021-22 Islanders de New York
Explications
Hickey could be bought out and that would save another .500k to either beef up Palmieri, Sorokin or Beau's deal. Beau's deal is a bridge - I have it listed as 3 years, but it could be 2. This scenario hinges on Ladd going to LTIR. Another way to get more cap space would be trading the 2nd round pick to move Hickey's full contract off the books - that would cost a 2nd rounder. Sorokin's contract is similar to Mackenzie Blackwood's. Greene making 2.75 has to do with the bonuses he earned for this '21 season. I also gave Casey 3 m AAV - maybe he accepts a deal for 2.5 and that gives the team another.500k to play with to beef up Beau, Sorokin, or Palmieri. The team could also let Casey walk and sign Zajac to a contract that would save another 2m.
*Made an edit bought out Hickey and gave it all to Palmieri to be in line with Toffoli deal.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Dal Colle, Michael11 000 000 $
Pelech, Adam65 000 000 $
Sorokin, Ilya23 000 000 $
Bellows, Kieffer2750 000 $
Koivula, Otto2750 000 $
Golyshev, Anatoly2750 000 $
Timashov, Dmytro2750 000 $
Carpenter, Bobo1750 000 $
Beauvillier, Anthony34 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Greene, Andy12 750 000 $
Chara, Zdeno1750 000 $
Cizikas, Casey33 000 000 $
Coburn, Braydon1750 000 $
Bardreau, Cole1750 000 $
Schneider, Cory1750 000 $
De Leo, Chase1750 000 $
Palmieri, Kyle44 000 000 $
Transactions
NYI
    expansion pick
    SEA
    1. Leddy, Nick
    Rachats de contrats
    • Rick DiPietro: 0 $
    • Thomas Hickey: 833 334 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    COL
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    2022
    NYI
    NYI
    COL
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    2023
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $82 787 522 $1 365 854 $1 325 000 $-1 287 522 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    NYI
    Lee, Anders
    7 000 000 $
    AG, C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    NYI
    Barzal, Mathew
    7 000 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    NYI
    Eberle, Jordan
    5 500 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Beauvillier, Anthony
    4 000 000 $
    AG
    RFA
    NYI
    Nelson, Brock
    6 000 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Bailey, Josh
    5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Palmieri, Kyle
    4 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA
    NYI
    Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
    5 000 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    NYI
    Wahlstrom, Oliver
    894 167 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 2
    NYI
    Martin, Matt
    1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Cizikas, Casey
    3 000 000 $
    C
    UFA
    NYI
    Clutterbuck, Cal
    3 500 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Johnston, Ross
    1 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Bellows, Kieffer
    750 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    NYI
    Pelech, Adam
    5 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    NYI
    Pulock, Ryan
    5 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Varlamov, Semyon
    5 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    NYI
    Greene, Andy
    2 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Mayfield, Scott
    1 450 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    NYI
    Sorokin, Ilya
    3 000 000 $
    G
    RFA
    Chara, Zdeno
    750 000 $
    DG
    UFA
    NYI
    Dobson, Noah
    894 167 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Aho, Sebastian
    725 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    NYI
    Boychuk, Johnny
    6 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Ladd, Andrew
    5 500 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Équipe de réserve
    NYI
    Komarov, Leo
    3 000 000 $ (1 875 000 $)
    AD, AG, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Schneider, Cory
    750 000 $ (0 $)
    G
    UFA
    NYI
    Coburn, Braydon
    750 000 $ (0 $)
    DG
    UFA
    NYI
    Dal Colle, Michael
    1 000 000 $ (0 $)
    AG
    RFA

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Wahlstrom, O.
    Barzal, M.
    Lee, A.
    , .
    Dobson, N.
    Avantage numérique 2
    , .
    Nelson, B.
    Bailey, J.
    Eberle, J.
    Pulock, R.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Pageau, J.
    , .
    Pelech, A.
    Pulock, R.
    Infériorité numérique 2
    Cizikas, C.
    Clutterbuck, C.
    Chara, Z.
    Mayfield, S.

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    12 jun à 16 h 42
    #26
    Isles7
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    Quoting: si5137
    Toffoli is a way closer comparable than Gallagher.

    You make a good argument about committing long term cap space - even at 4 years for Palmieri - I don't think Beau signs long term - it benefits him to take a bridge. The same goes for Sorokin - Blackwood bridge deal is a good comparison as to a Demko-type contract.

    Pelech will get his long term deal


    I remember last summer the same thing was said about toews - he won't take a 2 year deal, meanwhile he signed a bargain 4 year deal with Colorado and he was a Norris caliber defenseman this season. At least we have two 3rd rd picks to show for it...Theres always a price and when you have the opportunity to lock up young players who are improving, you pay that price.
    12 jun à 18 h 10
    #27
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    Modifié 12 jun à 18 h 23
    WHOA - slow your roll with Norris candidate - nice player and always liked Toews, but let's not go crazy - he isn't even the 2nd best D man on that team.
    And they received TWO 2nd rounders for Toews, not 3rd round picks.

    I agree that you want to lock up your younger players, but the flat cap landscape has generated more interest in bridge deals (and shorter deals) - Point, Tkachuk, Barzal, Laine, and this summer Pettersson, Makar, and Hughes will all take bridge deals. Beauvillier and the Isles is not an isolated situation.

    There is more to the Toews situation too- Devon filing for arbitration made the situation more difficult and at that point, the priority was resigning Barzal and Pulock.
    12 jun à 18 h 27
    #28
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    There is also difficulty in gauging longer-term deals for players like Beauvillier and Sorokin.

    Have we seen enough of Sorokin to give him a Demko size contract? Or does he get something around what Elvis got? or Blackwood?
    What is Beau's AAV in a longer-term deal? 4 and change, like Arvidsson? 5m? 6m? higher than that?
    12 jun à 18 h 31
    #29
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    Your d is too old
    12 jun à 18 h 49
    #30
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    Fair.

    Greene and Chara definitely make the blueline look older, but Mayfield is 28, Pulock and Pelech both 26, and Dobson 21.
    12 jun à 18 h 49
    #31
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    Isles777 -
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/2468098

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    13 jun à 2 h 46
    #32
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    Quoting: Rokk
    Brad Marchand is a character guy are you seriously trying to tell me one of the dirtiest players in the league isn't? Just because he plays 1st line hockey doesn't mean he isn't a character guy. I think you're in denial because he proves your point false, but hey you keep going on about players who's careers failed like skill players don't go through the same thing.


    Quoting: Isles777
    Brad Marchand is a superstar, he's part of the 1% that are able to be successful up until their mid 30s - you took my comment as a shot at players with character - so let me simplify this for you. Goal scorers who profile like palmieri almost always fall off a cliff in their early 30's. Palmieri is a skill player by the way, just like lucic , Neal and ladd once were. Now their GMs can't wait to get rid of them. You clearly don't understand aging curves, I can go through cap friendly and get a list of 30+ players that profile like palmieri over the last 5-7 years that have fallen off a cliff by the time theyre 31-32 years old. It's the type of game they play. Lee's time is coming as well unfortunately.


    Quoting: Isles777
    Brad Marchand is a superstar, he's part of the 1% that are able to be successful up until their mid 30s - you took my comment as a shot at players with character - so let me simplify this for you. Goal scorers who profile like palmieri almost always fall off a cliff in their early 30's. Palmieri is a skill player by the way, just like lucic , Neal and ladd once were. Now their GMs can't wait to get rid of them. You clearly don't understand aging curves, I can go through cap friendly and get a list of 30+ players that profile like palmieri over the last 5-7 years that have fallen off a cliff by the time theyre 31-32 years old. It's the type of game they play. Lee's time is coming as well unfortunately.


    If you're labeling Brad Marchand as a character guy instead of a superstar that's hysterical. from 2016/17 - 2019/2020 season he was top 11 or better in the Hart race every year. Yea he's one of their leaders and yea hes a character guy but thats not what makes him Brad Marchand. Patrice Bergeron is a character guy, so is Crosby. But theyre world class hockey players and using Brad Marchand to validate paying Kyle Palmieri would be the quickest way to lose your job. If you give Palmieri a long term deal it's likely gonna be in the ballpark of Marchand's 6.1 number, and i dont think Palmieri's character is gonna be enough to make them look like equals.

    Lee, Clutter, Martin, Pageau, Bailey. If theyre back (Greene, Cizikas) this team doesn't need another character guy making 6 million a year.
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    13 jun à 6 h 57
    #33
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    Modifié 13 jun à 7 h 21
    Quoting: islanders15
    If you're labeling Brad Marchand as a character guy instead of a superstar that's hysterical. from 2016/17 - 2019/2020 season he was top 11 or better in the Hart race every year. Yea he's one of their leaders and yea hes a character guy but thats not what makes him Brad Marchand. Patrice Bergeron is a character guy, so is Crosby. But theyre world class hockey players and using Brad Marchand to validate paying Kyle Palmieri would be the quickest way to lose your job. If you give Palmieri a long term deal it's likely gonna be in the ballpark of Marchand's 6.1 number, and i dont think Palmieri's character is gonna be enough to make them look like equals.

    Lee, Clutter, Martin, Pageau, Bailey. If theyre back (Greene, Cizikas) this team doesn't need another character guy making 6 million a year.


    I think you misread the original post. He was saying that because of Palmeiri's style of play his career was almost up. I then stated that Marchand plays the same type of style and he seems to be doing just fine at 33. A character guy to me is a guy is a guy that brings it every single night not just with skill but with grit and heart by playing hard every game. Just because he's a super star doesn't mean he's any less a character guy. Players are allowed to be both. Palmeiri may not be a superstar in this league, but he brings it every night and plays hard. I just find it hypocritical to say his career will end early because he's not Marchand.
    13 jun à 10 h 56
    #34
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    Quoting: Rokk
    I think you misread the original post. He was saying that because of Palmeiri's style of play his career was almost up. I then stated that Marchand plays the same type of style and he seems to be doing just fine at 33. A character guy to me is a guy is a guy that brings it every single night not just with skill but with grit and heart by playing hard every game. Just because he's a super star doesn't mean he's any less a character guy. Players are allowed to be both. Palmeiri may not be a superstar in this league, but he brings it every night and plays hard. I just find it hypocritical to say his career will end early because he's not Marchand.


    Marchand's style of play isn't close to Palmeri's - Marchand plays a finesse game and is elite across the board - he's one of the best passers in the league as well as one of the best snipers. He uses his high Iq and anticipatory instincts to make the players around him better. You keep bringing up character but it's not about that. Superstars take longer to decline, there's a reason why guys like Patrick Kane , Kopitar, Crosby, Ovechkin, Marchand are able to produce at a high level into their mid 30's - Palmieri will be a bottom 6 caliber player in the next few years because 99% of the time that's what happens to players like him.
    13 jun à 11 h 22
    #35
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    Quoting: Rokk
    I think you misread the original post. He was saying that because of Palmeiri's style of play his career was almost up. I then stated that Marchand plays the same type of style and he seems to be doing just fine at 33. A character guy to me is a guy is a guy that brings it every single night not just with skill but with grit and heart by playing hard every game. Just because he's a super star doesn't mean he's any less a character guy. Players are allowed to be both. Palmeiri may not be a superstar in this league, but he brings it every night and plays hard. I just find it hypocritical to say his career will end early because he's not Marchand.


    There are exceptions to the rule in every sport, Brady still great, Lebron still great. Giving Palmieri a long term deal would be a massive mistake, I think you can get away with 4 million for 3, which @isles777 disagrees with. He'd be an idiot to sign that deal anyway. But 5-6 years, 5-6 million per, you're looking at a player that's unmovable and unplayable for the last 2-3 years of that deal. I'm extremely skeptical of what Lee will be in 2-3 years, especially after the knee injury.
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    13 jun à 11 h 28
    #36
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Marchand's style of play isn't close to Palmeri's - Marchand plays a finesse game and is elite across the board - he's one of the best passers in the league as well as one of the best snipers. He uses his high Iq and anticipatory instincts to make the players around him better. You keep bringing up character but it's not about that. Superstars take longer to decline, there's a reason why guys like Patrick Kane , Kopitar, Crosby, Ovechkin, Marchand are able to produce at a high level into their mid 30's - Palmieri will be a bottom 6 caliber player in the next few years because 99% of the time that's what happens to players like him.


    Does Marchand like to drive to net and sacrifice his body to score a goal...yes he does...so does Palmeiri
    Does Marchand like to throw his weight around and get physical every once in awhile..yes he does...so does Palmeiri
    Is Marchand a pretty good defensive player...yes he is...so is Palmeiri

    They play a vary similar style of game just because you don't see it means very little to me at all. I love how you can predict the future of some one when you have no clue what's going to happen in the next 3 or 4 years...none. I'm willing to bet you were one of those guys standing out on the street corner with a sign that said the worlds going to end on 21/12. I'll let you in on a secret the Mayans were wrong. Seriously dude stay away from Vegas and don't play the lottery.
    13 jun à 11 h 30
    #37
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    Quoting: islanders15
    There are exceptions to the rule in every sport, Brady still great, Lebron still great. Giving Palmieri a long term deal would be a massive mistake, I think you can get away with 4 million for 3, which @isles777 disagrees with. He'd be an idiot to sign that deal anyway. But 5-6 years, 5-6 million per, you're looking at a player that's unmovable and unplayable for the last 2-3 years of that deal. I'm extremely skeptical of what Lee will be in 2-3 years, especially after the knee injury.


    I agree with that, I never said he should get a long term deal. I said I disagreed that his career is ending next year because he turns 31 which is what isles said.
    13 jun à 11 h 41
    #38
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    Quoting: Rokk
    Does Marchand like to drive to net and sacrifice his body to score a goal...yes he does...so does Palmeiri
    Does Marchand like to throw his weight around and get physical every once in awhile..yes he does...so does Palmeiri
    Is Marchand a pretty good defensive player...yes he is...so is Palmeiri

    They play a vary similar style of game just because you don't see it means very little to me at all. I love how you can predict the future of some one when you have no clue what's going to happen in the next 3 or 4 years...none. I'm willing to bet you were one of those guys standing out on the street corner with a sign that said the worlds going to end on 21/12. I'll let you in on a secret the Mayans were wrong. Seriously dude stay away from Vegas and don't play the lottery.


    just because Marchand likes to mix it up and play physical does not mean he has a similar skillset/style of play. Palmieri is a goal scorer with average skating and below average passing ability. Marchand has elite 4 way mobility and has no weaknesses in his game - every part of his game is elite. It's pretty funny that you still can't grasp that superstars take longer to decline because they do so many things well at a high level.

    This year Palmieri was on pace for 33 pts over an 82 game season - the guy is already on the decline, it's actually pretty easy to predict Palmieri's future tears of joy - Andrew Ladd 2.0
    13 jun à 11 h 43
    #39
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    Quoting: Rokk
    I agree with that, I never said he should get a long term deal. I said I disagreed that his career is ending next year because he turns 31 which is what isles said.


    I never said his career is ending - I'm arguing he will have the same impact as guys like Neal , Lucic, Okposo etc... Lucic is still an effective player, but he's a 3rd liner.
    13 jun à 11 h 55
    #40
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    Quoting: Isles777
    just because Marchand likes to mix it up and play physical does not mean he has a similar skillset/style of play. Palmieri is a goal scorer with average skating and below average passing ability. Marchand has elite 4 way mobility and has no weaknesses in his game - every part of his game is elite. It's pretty funny that you still can't grasp that superstars take longer to decline because they do so many things well at a high level.

    This year Palmieri was on pace for 33 pts over an 82 game season - the guy is already on the decline, it's actually pretty easy to predict Palmieri's future tears of joy - Andrew Ladd 2.0


    I had this huge reply ready for you, but you know what it's just not worth it anymore. Banging my head against the wall for 20 minutes straight would be more fun. Enjoy the game.
    13 jun à 11 h 57
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    Quoting: Rokk
    I had this huge reply ready for you, but you know what it's just not worth it anymore. Banging my head against the wall for 20 minutes straight would be more fun. Enjoy the game.


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