Modifié 11 juin 2021 à 21 h 3
Quoting: DogDayCaps2
When someone describes something as not terrible… it’s generally a good rule of thumb that the deal isnt good. Hertl is a solid player but giving up way too much.
Let’s break down the deal
VV is worth a 2nd?
Lappy is a 1st round pick that has increased his value with a great season and an amazing playoffs.
3rd
You above asked if a Habs fan would do Kuzy for Brook+a 2021 1st (it's going to be a really late one)+2022 2nd+Danault signing rights
So you are paying a
Kuzy ( worth a 1st + 2nd and prospect)
Lappy ( 1st rounder +)
V V ( 2nd maybe more)
3rd
For Hertl who you then need to turn around and sign.
Yes I would overpay to get an extended Hertl for Kuzy. The caps can ask permission to talk to his agent and hammer out an extension before processing the trade. They have Schultz's expiring deal to increase his cap hit. If SJ refuses, don't go through with it.
VV is worth a 2nd at best. More like a 3rd. His performance this season in relation to the team's play in front of him was below average. His GSAE was -7.
No way in hell is Lapierre worth a 1st +. His season was good. Since when 1.48 PPG is a great season in the QMJHL? Felix Robert had 2.00 two seasons ago and signed an AHL deal with Wilkes Barre. Xavier Simoneau had 1.46 and went undrafted. Qmjhl is the weakest of the major junior leagues. He didn't make Canada's wjc roster as an 18YO as most of the top prospects do.
As I said in the other thread, Lapierre is a good prospect, but not untouchable or a star in the making and he won't help during the final Ovi and Backy years. Hertl can and with an extension can also bridge the gap to a rebuild with McMichael and Protas as 1-2-3 C.
And I asked a MTL fan what he thought about the deal. The 1st 2nd and a prospect ares added because there's no certainty in resigning Danault before free agency in the case Montreal accept. MTL and SJ are at different stages. MTL is looking for players to help them win now while gradually ading some of their prospects to the lineup. SJ is looking for future, which Kuzy isn't. That's why Lapierre and VV are in there
Again, I know it's an overpayment I'd be willing to do to shake the core and replace Kuzy with Hertl extended. And yes, due to the almost fully closed window and after the Mantha-Vrana trade, I'd trade 2 late 1sts (one with massive injury concerns), a late 2nd, 2 3rds and a prospect like Brook for an extended Hertl. Maybe remove one of the thirds.
Fortunately for us we're both on these boards and not running the team