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Red wings - what I would like to see none of which will probably happen

Créé par: Lancebmx
Date de création initiale: jun 9, 2021
Publié: 10 jun à 12 h 12
Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Explications
Protected List:
Larkin
Vrana
Bertuzzi
Fabbri
Erne
Rasmussen
Smith
Hronek
Cholowski
Dunn
Greiss

If a trade between the blue and wings doesn't happen for Dunn, I would protect Lindstrom over Stetcher just cause of his age and the fact Stetcher is a free agent after this season. I also wouldn't be opposed to offering a mid to late pick just to make sure they took Namestnikov.

For the entry draft
#6 Eklund / Hughes
#9 Wallstedt / Johnson
#23 Pinelli / Bolduc

This is all based on of Vancouver trades their first round pick and if Wallstedt is available. Vancouver only gains a little over 3 million in cap space by buying out Eriksson and roussel.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Niederbach, Theodor3825 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bertuzzi, Tyler45 250 000 $
Cholowski, Dennis21 800 000 $
Erne, Adam21 500 000 $
Hronek, Filip44 000 000 $
Lindström, Gustav1925 000 $
Pearson, Chase2825 000 $
Rasmussen, Michael21 200 000 $
Smith, Givani1925 000 $
Svechnikov, Evgeny1925 000 $
Verbeek, Hayden2825 000 $
Vrána, Jakub45 250 000 $
Dunn, Vince44 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Bernier, Jonathan23 600 000 $
Hirose, Taro2825 000 $
Turgeon, Dominic1825 000 $
Glendening, Luke11 200 000 $
Elson, Turner1750 000 $
Staal, Marc11 500 000 $
Transactions
DET
    SEA
    1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
    Détails additionnels:
    Expansion Draft
    DET
    1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
    STL
    1. 2021 2e round pick (NYR)
    2. 2022 4e round pick (VGK)
    DET
    1. Eriksson, Loui
    2. Roussel, Antoine
    3. 2021 1e round pick (VAN)
    VAN
      DET
      1. Neal, James
      2. Koskinen, Mikko
      3. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
      4. 2022 2e round pick (EDM)
      EDM
      1. Greiss, Thomas (1 800 000 $ retained)
      DET
      1. Gardiner, Jake
      2. 2021 2e round pick (CAR)
      3. 2022 2e round pick (CAR)
      CAR
      1. Svechnikov, Evgeny
      Rachats de contrats
      • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
      Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
      • Thomas Greiss: 1 800 000 $ (50%)
      • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
      Enfoui
      • Richard Pánik: 250 000 $ (1 375 000 $)
      ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
      2021
      DET
      WSH
      VAN
      DET
      EDM
      CAR
      DET
      VGK
      DET
      TBL
      DET
      OTT
      DET
      2022
      DET
      EDM
      DET
      WSH
      EDM
      CAR
      DET
      DET
      COL
      DET
      DET
      DET
      2023
      DET
      DET
      DET
      DET
      DET
      DET
      DET
      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2181 500 000 $80 224 723 $0 $850 000 $1 275 277 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      DET
      Vrána, Jakub
      5 250 000 $
      AG
      RFA
      DET
      Larkin, Dylan
      6 100 000 $
      C, AG
      UFA - 2
      DET
      Zadina, Filip
      894 167 $
      AG, AD
      RFA - 1
      DET
      Fabbri, Robby
      2 950 000 $
      AG, C
      UFA - 1
      DET
      Rasmussen, Michael
      1 200 000 $
      AG, C, AD
      RFA - 3
      DET
      Bertuzzi, Tyler
      5 250 000 $
      AG, AD
      RFA
      DET
      Erne, Adam
      1 500 000 $
      AG, AD
      RFA
      DET
      Nielsen, Frans
      5 250 000 $
      C, AG
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      EDM
      Neal, James
      5 750 000 $
      AD, AG
      UFA - 2
      VAN
      Roussel, Antoine
      3 000 000 $
      AG
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      DET
      Glendening, Luke
      1 200 000 $
      C, AD, AG
      UFA
      VAN
      Eriksson, Loui
      6 000 000 $
      AG, AD
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      DET
      Staal, Marc
      1 500 000 $
      DG
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      DET
      Hronek, Filip
      4 000 000 $
      DD
      RFA
      DET
      Bernier, Jonathan
      3 600 000 $
      G
      UFA
      DET
      DeKeyser, Danny
      5 000 000 $
      DG
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      Dunn, Vince
      4 000 000 $
      DG/DD
      RFA
      EDM
      Koskinen, Mikko
      4 500 000 $
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      DET
      Cholowski, Dennis
      1 800 000 $
      DG
      RFA
      DET
      Stecher, Troy
      1 700 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      CAR
      Gardiner, Jake
      4 050 000 $
      DG
      NTC
      UFA - 2

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      10 jun à 12 h 16
      #1
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      Vancouver ain’t doing that
      dboy81 a aimé ceci.
      10 jun à 12 h 16
      #2
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      I can’t see us taking on all those cap dumps, but it sure would be sweet!
      10 jun à 12 h 17
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      I don’t see the canes giving up that much to trade Gardiner. They can buy him out and it only counts 1.4 against the cap. If they are going to cap dump him I’d rather give up more to send him as the expansion pick to Seattle
      10 jun à 12 h 22
      #4
      Malkinwants2beTheMan
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      Buy Frans out. Don't need the cap space but I'd rather give the roster spot to a player who can help us.
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      10 jun à 12 h 24
      #5
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      Quoting: Fff
      Vancouver ain’t doing that


      They will have a hard time getting Hughes and Petterson signed I think, but hey that's a them problem.
      10 jun à 12 h 24
      #6
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      As an Oilers fan who wants to see more money freed up for the off season, I would love to see that trade with Edmonton but that is a LOT of money to take on. Timing wise though, only 1 year with Koskinen is okay. Neal, if he can get some of his game back is tolerable. And the draft picks aren't unreasonable an ask for taking those 2 contracts.
      10 jun à 12 h 25
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      Quoting: Letter_Kenny
      Buy Frans out. Don't need the cap space but I'd rather give the roster spot to a player who can help us.


      Definitely not opposed to that just to get one of the better prospects up there, the cash savings isn't really worth it though.
      10 jun à 12 h 26
      #8
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      Quoting: etpeck
      I don’t see the canes giving up that much to trade Gardiner. They can buy him out and it only counts 1.4 against the cap. If they are going to cap dump him I’d rather give up more to send him as the expansion pick to Seattle


      True, I would take Gardiner for less, that's just hoping
      10 jun à 12 h 27
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      Quoting: Oz73
      As an Oilers fan who wants to see more money freed up for the off season, I would love to see that trade with Edmonton but that is a LOT of money to take on. Timing wise though, only 1 year with Koskinen is okay. Neal, if he can get some of his game back is tolerable. And the draft picks aren't unreasonable an ask for taking those 2 contracts.


      Koskinen could be bought out too, save 3 mill this year, but I think this would be a better option, unless they end up signing a decent goalie to play with Smith.
      10 jun à 12 h 28
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      Quoting: Lancebmx
      True, I would take Gardiner for less, that's just hoping


      Understandable. The canes will move him this off-season it’s almost guaranteed. To me it makes the most sense to pay Seattle handsomely to take him because it clears the cap and protects skjei or bean
      10 jun à 12 h 30
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      Quoting: etpeck
      Understandable. The canes will move him this off-season it’s almost guaranteed. To me it makes the most sense to pay Seattle handsomely to take him because it clears the cap and protects skjei or bean


      I feel they need to, just to protect better guys, and with the second round exit, thinking they will need the cap space. I feel Gardiner could have some value if he improves his defensive game, and although Detroit isn't a good team, they play a pretty defensive style so maybe could get something for him in the future.
      10 jun à 12 h 32
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      Blues pass, you got a steal on Fabbri, its not happening again
      10 jun à 12 h 36
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      Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
      Blues pass, you got a steal on Fabbri, its not happening again


      I would be willing to give up a bit more, but considering they will lose him for nothing I think it's a pretty good deal
      10 jun à 12 h 46
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      Quoting: Lancebmx
      I would be willing to give up a bit more, but considering they will lose him for nothing I think it's a pretty good deal


      I doubt the blues lose him for nothing. I expect the blues trade a couple forwards to not pick him. And even if that were the case you are essentially proving two trades the Blues have to consider.

      1. Trade Dunn for a 2nd and then lose a player like Blais or Sandford in the draft.
      2. Trade Sandford and Blais in the draft and keep Dunn.

      Which looks like: do we want to give up a player like Blais and a 2nd for Dunn and the answer is yes
      10 jun à 12 h 50
      #15
      HECTORtheWELLENDOWED
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      Yeah I can't see a couple of the trades but i get the idea and I don't think its a bad idea. I'm all for Dunn. I agree we shouldnt give up anything to Seattle, if they take names or cholo or stecher whoever.
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      10 jun à 13 h 09
      #16
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      Quoting: Lancebmx
      They will have a hard time getting Hughes and Petterson signed I think, but hey that's a them problem.


      Buyout Holts beagles on Ltir buyout or trade vertanen bury Roussel.
      10 jun à 13 h 27
      #17
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      Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
      I doubt the blues lose him for nothing. I expect the blues trade a couple forwards to not pick him. And even if that were the case you are essentially proving two trades the Blues have to consider.

      1. Trade Dunn for a 2nd and then lose a player like Blais or Sandford in the draft.
      2. Trade Sandford and Blais in the draft and keep Dunn.

      Which looks like: do we want to give up a player like Blais and a 2nd for Dunn and the answer is yes


      Probably have to trade alot more for them to not take Dunn. Losing Blais would kind of suck for the blues but both him and Sanford are replaceable. At best they are 20 goal scorers in the NHL.
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      10 jun à 13 h 32
      #18
      Staal Bunyon
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      Canes take that and run
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      10 jun à 13 h 54
      #19
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      Quoting: Fff
      Buyout Holts beagles on Ltir buyout or trade vertanen bury Roussel.


      Buying out virtanen makes sense, ltir doesn't kick in until the start of the season so Ferland and beagle will count against the cap until season starts, buying out holtby just gives you another hole to fill, might get a goalie for a mill cheaper maybe. Burying roussel only saves 1.1 mill. Still alot of holes that would need to be filled. I hope they can figure it out as I like the Canucks but it will be tough if they want to be competitive, which I think they expect to be.
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      10 jun à 15 h 32
      #20
      trentbarney
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      Congratulations you have been awarded "Most Accurate AGM Team Name of All Time"

      Haha this should me the name for every team ever created on here.
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      10 jun à 16 h 46
      #21
      mokumboi
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      Quoting: Lancebmx
      I would be willing to give up a bit more, but considering they will lose him for nothing I think it's a pretty good deal



      It's a bad deal, and there's 30 other teams. Several of them would top that easy.
      14 jun à 14 h 05
      #22
      PredsWingsFan
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      I'd really like to hear from more Edmonton fans here. For me, I dont know if Edmonton bites on this. They still have a hole at goalie, Griess is not any better than what they have. Giving up 2 picks in 2022 would mean that the first pick for Edmonton would likely be near 85-90th OA. Can't imagine dumping Neal is that important to give up those picks on.

      I think 1 2nd rounder would get the Gardiner deal done, however I dont know that Yzerman wants that many years left on salary dumps.

      I get that Vancouver is desperate, but 9th overall is a hard one to give up to take some contracts. I disagree with everyone saying they are going to just buyout a couple contracts and also sign Edler to $1-2M deal and Sutter to a $2M deal and it will work.. you end up being a couple players short of a whole roster, no flexibility in the CAP and not enough "able" bodies on the ice. Vancouver Can't make their team better without shedding more than just 1 or 2 contracts. All they can do is sustain where they are at which wont lead to playoffs in the Pacific next year for sure.
      14 jun à 17 h 46
      #23
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      Quoting: PredsWingsFan
      I'd really like to hear from more Edmonton fans here. For me, I dont know if Edmonton bites on this. They still have a hole at goalie, Griess is not any better than what they have. Giving up 2 picks in 2022 would mean that the first pick for Edmonton would likely be near 85-90th OA. Can't imagine dumping Neal is that important to give up those picks on.

      I think 1 2nd rounder would get the Gardiner deal done, however I dont know that Yzerman wants that many years left on salary dumps.

      I get that Vancouver is desperate, but 9th overall is a hard one to give up to take some contracts. I disagree with everyone saying they are going to just buyout a couple contracts and also sign Edler to $1-2M deal and Sutter to a $2M deal and it will work.. you end up being a couple players short of a whole roster, no flexibility in the CAP and not enough "able" bodies on the ice. Vancouver Can't make their team better without shedding more than just 1 or 2 contracts. All they can do is sustain where they are at which wont lead to playoffs in the Pacific next year for sure.


      I think Edmonton could send a 2023 first or second to fix that problem, Greiss isn't an immediate fix but he is a decent goalie to be a back up. That said I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Greiss and just but out koskinen or have him as a third string goalie. Maybe mentor one of the prospects in grand rapids. I also think Edmonton needs to do something now while their superstars keep up this production, how long can they wait? Can't just sign a bunch of players and expect to win the cup that year.

      With the Gardiner deal, I think less could get the deal done, but I think a second and something either a prospect or mid puck does it, svechnikov is just a bonus to them.

      Vancouver definitely needs to do something, I don't think they are at risk of losing Hughes or petterson through offer sheets, but Yzerman could definitely use that as a tactic to get s better return. 9th overall is a tough go but the way the Canucks look, next year's could be a better lottery pick as well. Plus the savings of $9 million, they probably still need to buy a contract out just to have a team that competes. I think they feel they need to compete now as well.
       
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