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Remaking The C Position

Créé par: Sagecoll
Date de création initiale: 3 juin 2021
Publié: 7 juin 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Description
Both Montreal / Nashville are welcome to discuss extensions with Mika / Strome and are expected to do so.

All of the contract estimates are straight from Evolving Wild.

Rangers protect:
1) Eichel
2) Strome
3) Kreider
4) Panarin
5) Buchnevich
6) Chytil
7) Gauthier

1) Trouba
2) Lindgren
3) Hajek

Georgiev

Montreal and Buffalo trades are pre expansion draft.
Nashville and Anaheim trades are post entry draft.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel66 250 000 $
Gauthier, Julien2990 000 $
Chytil, Filip32 450 000 $
Shesterkin, Igor65 450 000 $
Jones, Max31 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Nash, Riley2805 000 $
McCabe, Jake11 050 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
SEA
  1. Blackwell, Colin
2.
NYR
  1. Mysak, Jan
  2. Struble, Jayden [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2021 ronde en 1e (MTL)
  4. Choix de 2021 ronde en 3e (WSH)
MTL
  1. Rykov, Yegor [Droits de RFA]
  2. Zibanejad, Mika (1 350 000 $ retained)
3.
NYR
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Barron, Morgan
  2. Henriksson, Karl
  3. Schneider, Braden
  4. Choix de 2021 ronde en 1e (NYR)
  5. Choix de 2021 ronde en 1e (MTL)
  6. Choix de 2022 ronde en 2e (NYR)
4.
NYR
  1. Afanasyev, Egor
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 1e (NSH)
Détails additionnels:
(Conditional 1st, becomes a 2023 1st if Nashville misses playoffs in 21-22)
NSH
  1. Strome, Ryan (1 500 000 $ retained)
5.
NYR
  1. Henrique, Adam (2 725 000 $ retained)
  2. Jones, Max [Droits de RFA]
ANA
  1. Howden, Brett [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2022 ronde en 3e (NYR)
  3. Choix de 2022 ronde en 7e (NYR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
  • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
  • Brad Richards: 0 $
  • Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Mika Zibanejad: 1 350 000 $ (25.23%)
  • Ryan Strome: 1 500 000 $ (33.33%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGE1E RONDE2E RONDE3E RONDE4E RONDE5E RONDE6E RONDE7E RONDE
2021
Logo de BUF
Logo de WSH
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de LAK
Logo de OTT
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
2022
Logo de NYR
Logo de NSH
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
2023
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
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Logo de NYR
2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $76 915 635 $0 $8 400 000 $4 584 365 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Rangers de New York
Lafrenière, Alexis
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
Buchnevich, Pavel
6 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Rangers de New York
Panarin, Artemi
11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
Chytil, Filip
2 450 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
Kakko, Kaapo
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Kreider, Chris
6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
Henrique, Adam
3 100 000 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
Kravtsov, Vitali
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Jones, Max
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
Nash, Riley
805 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Gauthier, Julien
990 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Rangers de New York
Miller, K'Andre
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
Fox, Adam
925 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Shesterkin, Igor
5 450 000 $
G
UFA - 4
Logo de Rangers de New York
Lindgren, Ryan
3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
Lundkvist, Nils
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
Georgiev, Alexandar
2 425 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Jones, Zachary
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
Trouba, Jacob
8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
McCabe, Jake
1 050 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Rangers de New York
Bitetto, Anthony
737 500 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Rooney, Kevin
750 000 $ (0 $)
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
Reunanen, Tarmo
809 167 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Panarin, A.
Eichel, J.
Lafrenière, A.
Kreider, C.
Fox, A.
Avantage numérique 2
Lundkvist, N.
Kakko, K.
Buchnevich, P.
Kravtsov, V.
Jones, Z.
Infériorité numérique 1
Chytil, F.
Buchnevich, P.
Miller, K.
Fox, A.
Infériorité numérique 2
Nash, R.
Jones, M.
Lindgren, R.
Trouba, J.

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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 12
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Your deal is bad
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A bunch of whos(minus Schneider, but still) and two mid to late first round picks for Eichel, what a steal!
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 14
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Not even close for Eichel

And this team is screwed cap wise
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 15
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Not a single roster player in return for Jack Eichel?
A: the Rangers could never afford that
B: Buffalo would not accept that
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 16
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I can't see NSH having any interest in that deal
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 16
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As a habs fan I have Mixed feeling about this trade, I like that we get a C that can score and put up points but at the same time I got high hopes for Mysak and Struble so Idk what to think of this
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 28
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Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
A bunch of whos(minus Schneider, but still) and two mid to late first round picks for Eichel, what a steal!


Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 31
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I can't see NSH having any interest in that deal


Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 33
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As a habs fan I have Mixed feeling about this trade, I like that we get a C that can score and put up points but at the same time I got high hopes for Mysak and Struble so Idk what to think of this


I mean I don't think there's much of a spot for Struble to play, he's behind Guhle, Harris, and Norlinder. So I'm not sure if he'd sign anyway.

I also doubt Danault will sign for anywhere Montreal would actually want to play. He thinks he can make 6-7 mil on the market, Bergevin wants to pay more like 4-5. He's probably walking with how much he's going to get after these playoffs, and I don't think the team feels comfortable putting KK as a top6 C next year.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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Not a single roster player in return for Jack Eichel?
A: the Rangers could never afford that
B: Buffalo would not accept that


I mean A) They just did, I showed you how.
B) I hope they don't, if they try and hold Jack he's going to get a mutual contract termination. And they're not getting a better offer anywhere else for an injury concern like Jack has.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.

That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.


I don't think Poile is desperate to sign another 28+ year old center to a big new contract only for them not to live up to it...
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 40
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That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.


He's literally about to file his grievance, he's already approached the NHLPA. He has a pretty good shot too. But hey, the longer this drags on, the lower the return. Going to be hysterical when Eichel refuses to report publicly saying that he doesn't feel comfortable health-wise going on the ice and the Pegula's are putting his health in danger. And then Adams just gives him away for less than this than trying to deal with the whole situation.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 41
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Quoting: villenash
I don't think Poile is desperate to sign another 28+ year old center to a big new contract only for them not to live up to it...


Probably better off with going after a young guy like Kunin then... that worked much better.
7 juin 2021 à 16 h 45
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I can't imagine what you're thinking about with that Anaheim trade. We wouldn't deal Jones for Howden and a third because Howden would never see the ice in the NHL. (Zegras, Lundestrom and Groulx are all way ahead of him on performance so far.) Nor is Henrique, with term and retention, worth less than a third by himself. (See the Jeff Carter trade.) After all, you're playing him at #3C yourself.
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That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.


Well he wants the surgery because his agent thinks its gonna let him drag his ass right through the next season into nmc country. But you are 100% correct, there has been no medical opinion to corroborate his insisting that the sabres allow him to have this surgery (and i believe pay for it as well). Without the backing of a neutral third party, which he doesnt have, why would the league consider releasing him from his contract? Dont know? Me neither.
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 45
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Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.


Do the Predators have Panarin?
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7 juin 2021 à 16 h 48
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Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.


Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.
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7 juin 2021 à 17 h 4
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I can't imagine what you're thinking about with that Anaheim trade. We wouldn't deal Jones for Howden and a third because Howden would never see the ice in the NHL. (Zegras, Lundestrom and Groulx are all way ahead of him on performance so far.) Nor is Henrique, with term and retention, worth less than a third by himself. (See the Jeff Carter trade.) After all, you're playing him at #3C yourself.


well 1) That's just false. Howden currently has more value than Jones straight up. Screen-Shot-2021-06-07-at-5-01-09-PM

2) Henrique's value with term and retention is not any better than a 3rd. Without the retention, his value is zero. He passed waivers. So Henrique's value is zero, we've established that. Is 2.7 in cap space worth a 3rd + 7th? I'd say it's in the ballpark. Certainly more useful to have the 3rd with the fact that the Ducks are in a rebuild.
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Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.


...The salary does matter. Shaving off 10 mil in payments for an ownership group that is going to see its attendance numbers dry up? That matters a good bit.

Really think you're underrating Eichel's power in this situation and the litigation involved. Do you really think the Sabres want to drag this out with lawyers and an arbiter?
7 juin 2021 à 17 h 11
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well 1) That's just false. Howden currently has more value than Jones straight up. Screen-Shot-2021-06-07-at-5-01-09-PM

2) Henrique's value with term and retention is not any better than a 3rd. Without the retention, his value is zero. He passed waivers. So Henrique's value is zero, we've established that. Is 2.7 in cap space worth a 3rd + 7th? I'd say it's in the ballpark. Certainly more useful to have the 3rd with the fact that the Ducks are in a rebuild.


If you think that those figures indicate that Brett Howden has more value than Max Jones, or a higher upside, then I feel sorry for you. Seriously. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Jones will play #3LW for us and Howden would play #2C in San Diego.
7 juin 2021 à 18 h 54
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I wouldn't trade either of the 1st or Afanasyev for a year of Strome.
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8 juin 2021 à 0 h 51
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Not even close for Eichel
That offer gets beat by about half the league
8 juin 2021 à 0 h 54
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I mean A) They just did, I showed you how.
B) I hope they don't, if they try and hold Jack he's going to get a mutual contract termination. And they're not getting a better offer anywhere else for an injury concern like Jack has.


Why would the Sabres WANT tot terminate his contract & lose him for nothing?
That’s just bananas dude
ZERO chance that happens
8 juin 2021 à 0 h 57
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Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.


@Sagecoll CLEARLY has no idea what “mutual” means
 
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