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Remaking The C Position

Créé par: Sagecoll
Date de création initiale: 3 juin 2021
Publié: 7 juin 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Explications
Both Montreal / Nashville are welcome to discuss extensions with Mika / Strome and are expected to do so.

All of the contract estimates are straight from Evolving Wild.

Rangers protect:
1) Eichel
2) Strome
3) Kreider
4) Panarin
5) Buchnevich
6) Chytil
7) Gauthier

1) Trouba
2) Lindgren
3) Hajek

Georgiev

Montreal and Buffalo trades are pre expansion draft.
Nashville and Anaheim trades are post entry draft.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel66 250 000 $
Gauthier, Julien2990 000 $
Chytil, Filip32 450 000 $
Shesterkin, Igor65 450 000 $
Jones, Max31 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Nash, Riley2805 000 $
McCabe, Jake11 050 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
    SEA
    1. Blackwell, Colin
    2.
    NYR
    1. Mysak, Jan
    2. Struble, Jayden [Liste de réserve]
    3. 2021 1e round pick (MTL)
    4. 2021 3e round pick (WSH)
    MTL
    1. Zibanejad, Mika (1 350 000 $ retained)
    2. Rykov, Yegor [Droits de RFA]
    3.
    NYR
    1. Eichel, Jack
    BUF
    1. Schneider, Braden
    2. Barron, Morgan
    3. Henriksson, Karl
    4. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
    5. 2021 1e round pick (MTL)
    6. 2022 2e round pick (NYR)
    4.
    NYR
    1. Afanasyev, Egor
    2. 2022 1e round pick (NSH)
    Détails additionnels:
    (Conditional 1st, becomes a 2023 1st if Nashville misses playoffs in 21-22)
    NSH
    1. Strome, Ryan (1 500 000 $ retained)
    5.
    NYR
    1. Henrique, Adam (2 725 000 $ retained)
    2. Jones, Max [Droits de RFA]
    ANA
    1. Howden, Brett [Droits de RFA]
    2. 2022 3e round pick (NYR)
    3. 2022 7e round pick (NYR)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
    • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
    • Brad Richards: 0 $
    • Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Mika Zibanejad: 1 350 000 $ (25.23%)
    • Ryan Strome: 1 500 000 $ (33.33%)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
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    Logo de NYR
    2022
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    Logo de NSH
    Logo de NYR
    Logo de NYR
    Logo de NYR
    2023
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    2024
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2181 500 000 $76 915 635 $0 $8 400 000 $4 584 365 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    Logo de NYR
    Buchnevich, Pavel
    6 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    Logo de NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    11 642 857 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de NYR
    Chytil, Filip
    2 450 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    6 500 000 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo de ANA
    Henrique, Adam
    3 100 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de NYR
    Kravtsov, Vitali
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Jones, Max
    1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 3
    Nash, Riley
    805 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Gauthier, Julien
    990 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de NYR
    Miller, K'Andre
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Fox, Adam
    925 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    5 450 000 $
    G
    UFA - 4
    Logo de NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    3 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 3
    Logo de NYR
    Lundkvist, Nils
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
    Logo de NYR
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    2 425 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Jones, Zachary
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de NYR
    Trouba, Jacob
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    McCabe, Jake
    1 050 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Équipe de réserve
    Logo de NYR
    Bitetto, Anthony
    737 500 $ (0 $)
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Rooney, Kevin
    750 000 $ (0 $)
    AG, C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de NYR
    Reunanen, Tarmo
    809 167 $ (0 $)
    DG
    RFA - 1

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Panarin, A.
    Eichel, J.
    Lafrenière, A.
    Kreider, C.
    Fox, A.
    Avantage numérique 2
    Lundkvist, N.
    Kakko, K.
    Buchnevich, P.
    Kravtsov, V.
    Jones, Z.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Chytil, F.
    Buchnevich, P.
    Miller, K.
    Fox, A.
    Infériorité numérique 2
    Nash, R.
    Jones, M.
    Lindgren, R.
    Trouba, J.

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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 12
    #1
    Your deal is bad
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    A bunch of whos(minus Schneider, but still) and two mid to late first round picks for Eichel, what a steal!
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 14
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    Not even close for Eichel

    And this team is screwed cap wise
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 15
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    Not a single roster player in return for Jack Eichel?
    A: the Rangers could never afford that
    B: Buffalo would not accept that
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 16
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    I can't see NSH having any interest in that deal
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 16
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    As a habs fan I have Mixed feeling about this trade, I like that we get a C that can score and put up points but at the same time I got high hopes for Mysak and Struble so Idk what to think of this
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 28
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    Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
    A bunch of whos(minus Schneider, but still) and two mid to late first round picks for Eichel, what a steal!


    Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

    But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 31
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    Quoting: villenash
    I can't see NSH having any interest in that deal


    Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

    If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 33
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    Quoting: ggha777
    As a habs fan I have Mixed feeling about this trade, I like that we get a C that can score and put up points but at the same time I got high hopes for Mysak and Struble so Idk what to think of this


    I mean I don't think there's much of a spot for Struble to play, he's behind Guhle, Harris, and Norlinder. So I'm not sure if he'd sign anyway.

    I also doubt Danault will sign for anywhere Montreal would actually want to play. He thinks he can make 6-7 mil on the market, Bergevin wants to pay more like 4-5. He's probably walking with how much he's going to get after these playoffs, and I don't think the team feels comfortable putting KK as a top6 C next year.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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    Not a single roster player in return for Jack Eichel?
    A: the Rangers could never afford that
    B: Buffalo would not accept that


    I mean A) They just did, I showed you how.
    B) I hope they don't, if they try and hold Jack he's going to get a mutual contract termination. And they're not getting a better offer anywhere else for an injury concern like Jack has.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

    But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.

    That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 35
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    Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

    If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.


    I don't think Poile is desperate to sign another 28+ year old center to a big new contract only for them not to live up to it...
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 40
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    Quoting: Tjm220
    That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.


    He's literally about to file his grievance, he's already approached the NHLPA. He has a pretty good shot too. But hey, the longer this drags on, the lower the return. Going to be hysterical when Eichel refuses to report publicly saying that he doesn't feel comfortable health-wise going on the ice and the Pegula's are putting his health in danger. And then Adams just gives him away for less than this than trying to deal with the whole situation.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: villenash
    I don't think Poile is desperate to sign another 28+ year old center to a big new contract only for them not to live up to it...


    Probably better off with going after a young guy like Kunin then... that worked much better.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 45
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    I can't imagine what you're thinking about with that Anaheim trade. We wouldn't deal Jones for Howden and a third because Howden would never see the ice in the NHL. (Zegras, Lundestrom and Groulx are all way ahead of him on performance so far.) Nor is Henrique, with term and retention, worth less than a third by himself. (See the Jeff Carter trade.) After all, you're playing him at #3C yourself.
    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 45
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    Quoting: Tjm220
    That’s not how it works. He has no medical backing for what he wants. Both team medical staff and the second opinion that he sought agree that the surgery is not necessary. He just wants it for some reason. The medical professionals agreed that the rehabilitation program he’s in is the best course of action, and surgery is over reacting and far too risky. He would never win a grievance on those grounds.


    Well he wants the surgery because his agent thinks its gonna let him drag his ass right through the next season into nmc country. But you are 100% correct, there has been no medical opinion to corroborate his insisting that the sabres allow him to have this surgery (and i believe pay for it as well). Without the backing of a neutral third party, which he doesnt have, why would the league consider releasing him from his contract? Dont know? Me neither.
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 45
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Funny stat Ryan Strome has 38 more points than the HIGHEST Predators scorer over the past 2 seasons. The Predators were 21st in scoring in the NHL this season.

    If you don't think Poile is desperate to add some offense, I'm not sure what to tell ya.


    Do the Predators have Panarin?
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    7 juin 2021 à 16 h 48
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Pretty good return for a guy who needs serious spine surgery at 24 and is making 10 mil without sending any Cap back the other way!

    But hey, I'd rather Buffalo not take the deal, and have Eichel go ahead with his grievance so they can have a mutual contract termination and we get him for nothing hahahaha.


    Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

    If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.
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    7 juin 2021 à 17 h 4
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    I can't imagine what you're thinking about with that Anaheim trade. We wouldn't deal Jones for Howden and a third because Howden would never see the ice in the NHL. (Zegras, Lundestrom and Groulx are all way ahead of him on performance so far.) Nor is Henrique, with term and retention, worth less than a third by himself. (See the Jeff Carter trade.) After all, you're playing him at #3C yourself.


    well 1) That's just false. Howden currently has more value than Jones straight up. Screen-Shot-2021-06-07-at-5-01-09-PM

    2) Henrique's value with term and retention is not any better than a 3rd. Without the retention, his value is zero. He passed waivers. So Henrique's value is zero, we've established that. Is 2.7 in cap space worth a 3rd + 7th? I'd say it's in the ballpark. Certainly more useful to have the 3rd with the fact that the Ducks are in a rebuild.
    7 juin 2021 à 17 h 9
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    Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
    Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

    If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.


    ...The salary does matter. Shaving off 10 mil in payments for an ownership group that is going to see its attendance numbers dry up? That matters a good bit.

    Really think you're underrating Eichel's power in this situation and the litigation involved. Do you really think the Sabres want to drag this out with lawyers and an arbiter?
    7 juin 2021 à 17 h 11
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    well 1) That's just false. Howden currently has more value than Jones straight up. Screen-Shot-2021-06-07-at-5-01-09-PM

    2) Henrique's value with term and retention is not any better than a 3rd. Without the retention, his value is zero. He passed waivers. So Henrique's value is zero, we've established that. Is 2.7 in cap space worth a 3rd + 7th? I'd say it's in the ballpark. Certainly more useful to have the 3rd with the fact that the Ducks are in a rebuild.


    If you think that those figures indicate that Brett Howden has more value than Max Jones, or a higher upside, then I feel sorry for you. Seriously. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Jones will play #3LW for us and Howden would play #2C in San Diego.
    7 juin 2021 à 18 h 54
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    I wouldn't trade either of the 1st or Afanasyev for a year of Strome.
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    8 juin 2021 à 0 h 51
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    Not even close for Eichel
    That offer gets beat by about half the league
    8 juin 2021 à 0 h 54
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    I mean A) They just did, I showed you how.
    B) I hope they don't, if they try and hold Jack he's going to get a mutual contract termination. And they're not getting a better offer anywhere else for an injury concern like Jack has.


    Why would the Sabres WANT tot terminate his contract & lose him for nothing?
    That’s just bananas dude
    ZERO chance that happens
    8 juin 2021 à 0 h 57
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    Quoting: OnlyBadDeals
    Cap does not matter to Buffalo. In fact, they could take on bad contracts to increase the return.

    If Buffalo does not want to trade him for this why would they agree to a mutual contract termination? Mutual seems like a pretty important part of a mutual contract termination.


    @Sagecoll CLEARLY has no idea what “mutual” means
     
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