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Gauging Tarasenkos interest Who would you trade

Créé par: Chopper02
Date de création initiale: jun 7, 2021
Publié: 7 jun à 10 h 12
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Explications
Other moves are arbitrary. Just trying to see what others would offer. Doesn't have a ton of value and sadly I think it will only go down.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Barbashev, Ivan21 500 000 $
Dunn, Vince33 000 000 $
Kyrou, Jordan33 000 000 $
Thomas, Robert33 000 000 $
Sanford, Zachary21 500 000 $
Joshua, Dakota2900 000 $
Transactions
STL
  1. 2021 1e round pick (WSH)
DET
  1. Dunn, Vince
  2. 2022 4e round pick (STL)
STL
    SEA
    1. Sanford, Zachary
    2. Scandella, Marco
    3. 2022 2e round pick (STL)
    Détails additionnels:
    Expansion
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    STL
    WSH
    STL
    STL
    STL
    DET
    2022
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    2023
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $68 457 182 $306 349 $425 000 $13 042 818 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    STL
    Schenn, Brayden
    6 500 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 7
    STL
    O'Reilly, Ryan
    7 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Perron, David
    4 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Kostin, Klim
    863 333 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Thomas, Robert
    3 000 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 2
    STL
    Kyrou, Jordan
    3 000 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    STL
    Clifford, Kyle
    1 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Barbashev, Ivan
    1 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Tarasenko, Vladimir
    7 500 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    STL
    MacEachern, Mackenzie
    900 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Sundqvist, Oskar
    2 750 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Blais, Samuel
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    STL
    Krug, Torey
    6 500 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Faulk, Justin
    6 500 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Binnington, Jordan
    6 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Mikkola, Niko
    787 500 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Parayko, Colton
    5 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Husso, Ville
    750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Walman, Jake
    725 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Bortuzzo, Robert
    1 375 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    7 jun à 10 h 16
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    Detroit will be happy to make that deal.

    Dunn is a good fit for us and the chance of the Washington pick getting anything better is slim.
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    7 jun à 10 h 19
    #2
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    Nothing, because he is injured all the time. If he got injured, we would have a hole there for the whole time he is out. If he wasn’t injury prone, he would be an excellent winger for McDavid.
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    7 jun à 10 h 20
    #3
    mokumboi
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    Maybe I'm an idiot, but this smells like a "reports of his demise were greatly exaggerated" situation now that he can go have a normal preseason for the first time since the Cup year.
    7 jun à 10 h 23
    #4
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    Im all in for keeping him this year, give him a full fresh season. If it doesn't work, we can flip him at the deadline
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    7 jun à 10 h 41
    #5
    NoCupsForCanada
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    I don't think Detroit is interested. Stevie seems pretty determined to hoard draft picks and fill in the gaps with vets on cheap deals. I also don't think anyone's paying a first for a guy who rode the pine multiple times this year. His value has never been lower
    7 jun à 10 h 44
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Maybe I'm an idiot, but this smells like a "reports of his demise were greatly exaggerated" situation now that he can go have a normal preseason for the first time since the Cup year.


    This is based on the conversation with Rutherford with regards to Blues gauging all interests on Tarasenko including trade. If healthy he's good, but can he stay healthy is a major question mark.
    7 jun à 10 h 48
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    Quoting: TheWolfe
    I don't think Detroit is interested. Stevie seems pretty determined to hoard draft picks and fill in the gaps with vets on cheap deals. I also don't think anyone's paying a first for a guy who rode the pine multiple times this year. His value has never been lower


    Rode the pine one time. That was it. That's like saying Konecny's value has never been lower and is low because he rode the pine once or twice. Still had 20 points in 43 games and was dominant down the stretch when he played.
    7 jun à 11 h 02
    #8
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    I like Dunn, but I don't think Detroit gives up a 1st before the expansion draft. Everyone knows the situation St. Louis is in in regards to expansion draft protections and they will have to be ok with selling Dunn low, rather than losing him for nothing. The price Detroit should go on Dunn prior to the expansion draft is a 2nd round pick and not an ounce more, as the net cost will end up being a 2nd AND more due to us having to leave Lindstrom and Cholowski unprotected, thus causing us to lose one of them, or pay Seattle to take someone else.

    If St. Louis gambles on not losing him, or already has a deal with Seattle to take someone else and can get through the expansion draft, the value goes up quite a bit and it's not unreasonable to say Washington's 1st AND an additional B- level asset would be on the table for Dunn.
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    7 jun à 11 h 21
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    Quoting: TheWolfe
    I don't think Detroit is interested. Stevie seems pretty determined to hoard draft picks and fill in the gaps with vets on cheap deals. I also don't think anyone's paying a first for a guy who rode the pine multiple times this year. His value has never been lower


    I think you're wrong there.

    Dunn is a very good fit in Detroit. He immediately solidifies the position and is capable of putting up very good numbers.

    Detroit have room to give him plenty of icetime in the top-4 and can partner him with a suitable player.

    It's hard to find a better fit for Detroit than Dunn would be.
    7 jun à 11 h 30
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    I think you're wrong there.

    Dunn is a very good fit in Detroit. He immediately solidifies the position and is capable of putting up very good numbers.

    Detroit have room to give him plenty of icetime in the top-4 and can partner him with a suitable player.

    It's hard to find a better fit for Detroit than Dunn would be.


    Wings would probably have interest in him but not for a 1st. If they can get him at a lower cost sure. Blues have already tried to move Dunn asking for a 1st and there were no takers
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    7 jun à 11 h 36
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    Quoting: Drw4209
    Wings would probably have interest in him but not for a 1st. If they can get him at a lower cost sure. Blues have already tried to move Dunn asking for a 1st and there were no takers


    Dunn puts up numbers better than Hronek, so he's worth a first.

    If Detroit can get him even cheaper, that'd make it a steal.
    7 jun à 11 h 45
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Dunn puts up numbers better than Hronek, so he's worth a first.

    If Detroit can get him even cheaper, that'd make it a steal.


    Hronek gets 1D defensive duties which impact his offensive output while Dunn gets easier matchups and plays on a better team. And I probably wouldn't pay a 1st for Hronek either. St. Louis is also looking to move Dunn while Detroit seemingly has no intent on moving Hronek
    7 jun à 12 h 03
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    Quoting: Drw4209
    Wings would probably have interest in him but not for a 1st. If they can get him at a lower cost sure. Blues have already tried to move Dunn asking for a 1st and there were no takers


    This is false, they didn't actually try to move Dunn, those were rumors. That was the asking price but he was never on the block.
    7 jun à 12 h 10
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    Quoting: Chopper02
    This is false, they didn't actually try to move Dunn, those were rumors. That was the asking price but he was never on the block.


    Why would you have an asking price for a guy who isn't on the block? That doesn't make much sense. I'd bet if someone had offered their 1st the Blues would have made the trade
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    7 jun à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Drw4209
    Why would you have an asking price for a guy who isn't on the block? That doesn't make much sense. I'd bet if someone had offered their 1st the Blues would have made the trade


    Just because they make the trade doesn't mean he was on the block. But again, even the asking price was just a rumor. There wasn't any truth to it.
    7 jun à 13 h 38
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    I like Dunn, but I don't think Detroit gives up a 1st before the expansion draft. Everyone knows the situation St. Louis is in in regards to expansion draft protections and they will have to be ok with selling Dunn low, rather than losing him for nothing. The price Detroit should go on Dunn prior to the expansion draft is a 2nd round pick and not an ounce more, as the net cost will end up being a 2nd AND more due to us having to leave Lindstrom and Cholowski unprotected, thus causing us to lose one of them, or pay Seattle to take someone else.

    If St. Louis gambles on not losing him, or already has a deal with Seattle to take someone else and can get through the expansion draft, the value goes up quite a bit and it's not unreasonable to say Washington's 1st AND an additional B- level asset would be on the table for Dunn.


    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    I think you're wrong there.

    Dunn is a very good fit in Detroit. He immediately solidifies the position and is capable of putting up very good numbers.

    Detroit have room to give him plenty of icetime in the top-4 and can partner him with a suitable player.

    It's hard to find a better fit for Detroit than Dunn would be.


    Quoting: Drw4209
    Wings would probably have interest in him but not for a 1st. If they can get him at a lower cost sure. Blues have already tried to move Dunn asking for a 1st and there were no takers


    Quoting: Chopper02
    Just because they make the trade doesn't mean he was on the block. But again, even the asking price was just a rumor. There wasn't any truth to it.


    The wings are not paying more than Colorado payed to get a BETTER defenseman in Toews. Maybe you get a 2nd and a 3rd for him but not any more than that...at least from us.
    7 jun à 14 h 20
    #17
    mokumboi
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    Quoting: TheWolfe
    I also don't think anyone's paying a first for a guy who rode the pine multiple times this year. His value has never been lower



    Eh? None of that is accurate.
    8 jun à 11 h 22
    #18
    NoCupsForCanada
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    Dunn was benched multiple times throughout the year. My wife is from STL, we watch a LOT of Blues hockey
    8 jun à 11 h 47
    #19
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    Quoting: TheWolfe
    Dunn was benched multiple times throughout the year. My wife is from STL, we watch a LOT of Blues hockey


    He was benched one full game. I watch every Blues game. He missed several others for injury reasons. Again, benched one game doesn't mean your value goes down automatically. If it did, then Dunn for Konecny would be a fair trade based on this logic.
     
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