Yep, Parise's an Islander.
https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1433171215334748162

Lamoriello made out like a bandit this summer. Lost Eberle and Leddy, but in doing so freed up the cap space to keep Palmieri, Beauvillier, Sorokin and Cizikas while also getting Panik and Parise. The guy's one of the best GM's in the league. (Behind JBB, of course)

Just felt like throwing my 2 cents in:

Analytics are a VERY USEFUL TOOL.
But they are flawed.

The “eye test” is a VERY USEFUL TOOL.
But it is flawed.

You can’t use solely analytics to judge prospects for example. It’s a idiotic thing to use on its own for prospects.

You can’t use just the eye test for NHL players for example.
It’s a idiotic thing to use on its own for players.

You must use both imo. But you also have to judge the situation or player which is where the eye test “evolves” imo.

Take it like this. I’m going to use a very controversial take here too. Erik Karlsson is a very hard player to justify using solely analytics.

Karlsson even during some of his best years had very poor analytics with the Sens (Not all of his years, but at least from the charts I recall seeing the other month). A lot of Sharks fans see a ok game and then go look at Karlsson stats (adv.) and go look he’s dog****. But I continually try to point out this flaw. Early in the 2020/21 season Karlsson had a PHENOMENAL game. He looked amazing and everything was clicking and I believe he got a couple points. His advanced stats for that same game WERE BRUTAL. Yeah he got some a couple points and just looked sooooo gooooood…. But his analytics didn’t change and if anything they regressed.

Now he’s the other side of that same coin. Vlasic doesn’t have god awful adv. stats. They aren’t great, they’re pretty poor, but none the less. Yet Vlasic is just terrible to watch. He’s slow, poor decision making, loses his man or position a ton. I can go on. Yet his analytics value him around the same as Karlsson.

Now I’m not saying Karlsson is amazing because he doesn’t always look good and his analytics suggest the same or that Vlasic is worth his estimated “2-3 million dollar value according to analytics” because often I’d rather see Vlasic be benched.

I’m using them as an example. Not all players play a style that looks good on paper (adv stats). And not all players stand out on the eye test. For example Slavin from the discussion is an amazing example. He’s got great stats, but even if they aren’t the best in the entire league, Slavin flourishes on the eye test and then also has good analytics to suggest that he’s not a fluke. Whereas Karlsson often looks great on the eye test for a majority of a game but he makes mistakes and his style of play firstly doesn’t mesh with a bad team, and his adv stats aren’t great because he’s usually trying to do too much. But that doesn’t mean he’s the worst guy in the league.

I think you should use the eye test and pair it with adv stats. And for some players that situation should change. Use context, and I think there are some fantastic analytics that should be considered always. Quality of Competition is a great one when you pair with Quality of Time on Ice. Use them with your 5v5 impact and mesh those with the eye test.

I don’t think analytics are bad, and I don’t think they’re amazing. But you shouldn’t throw one or the other out.

Could we possibly interest you in a former Lou draft pick in Travis Dermott

Honestly in the Isles System I think Dermott would thrive as his defensive mindset seems perfect for them.

Team Canada 23U

Keller-Suzuki-Kyrou
Comtois-Dubois-Batherson
Lafrenière-Dach-Thomas
Rasmussen-Byfield-Jost

Girard-Makar
Chychrun-Dobson
Smith-Fabbro

Hart
DiPietro

Extras: Bryam, Cozens, Drysdale, Hofer, Perfetti

Edit : Nvm I'm dumb Keller is American

Right, but he never was a Norris caliber defensive d-man. Hell, something like 4-5 years ago, he is the one who ran the Isles'PP.
Pelech, Pulock and Mayfield are great/elite at defense so Leddy not being the best at that isn't a big deal

And no, I hate analytics without context, people like JFresh or Dom I don't even know how to write his last name want to sound like geniuses and experts yet in fact they're two of the most uninformative and even uneducated people about the game.

Analytics without context provided by the eye test are worth as much as a fork when eating a soup. You cannot possibly convince me otherwise

It’s funny how you guys want to trash analytics because they lack context and then try to use points which is 10x worse.
Points:
- don’t account for any context
-ignore every event that led to a goal

He 100% was below average offensively last season. By far the worst defenseman on the isles and it wasn’t close.

Just felt like throwing my 2 cents in:

Analytics are a VERY USEFUL TOOL.
But they are flawed.

The “eye test” is a VERY USEFUL TOOL.
But it is flawed.

You can’t use solely analytics to judge prospects for example. It’s a idiotic thing to use on its own for prospects.

You can’t use just the eye test for NHL players for example.
It’s a idiotic thing to use on its own for players.

You must use both imo. But you also have to judge the situation or player which is where the eye test “evolves” imo.

Take it like this. I’m going to use a very controversial take here too. Erik Karlsson is a very hard player to justify using solely analytics.

Karlsson even during some of his best years had very poor analytics with the Sens (Not all of his years, but at least from the charts I recall seeing the other month). A lot of Sharks fans see a ok game and then go look at Karlsson stats (adv.) and go look he’s dog****. But I continually try to point out this flaw. Early in the 2020/21 season Karlsson had a PHENOMENAL game. He looked amazing and everything was clicking and I believe he got a couple points. His advanced stats for that same game WERE BRUTAL. Yeah he got some a couple points and just looked sooooo gooooood…. But his analytics didn’t change and if anything they regressed.

Now he’s the other side of that same coin. Vlasic doesn’t have god awful adv. stats. They aren’t great, they’re pretty poor, but none the less. Yet Vlasic is just terrible to watch. He’s slow, poor decision making, loses his man or position a ton. I can go on. Yet his analytics value him around the same as Karlsson.

Now I’m not saying Karlsson is amazing because he doesn’t always look good and his analytics suggest the same or that Vlasic is worth his estimated “2-3 million dollar value according to analytics” because often I’d rather see Vlasic be benched.

I’m using them as an example. Not all players play a style that looks good on paper (adv stats). And not all players stand out on the eye test. For example Slavin from the discussion is an amazing example. He’s got great stats, but even if they aren’t the best in the entire league, Slavin flourishes on the eye test and then also has good analytics to suggest that he’s not a fluke. Whereas Karlsson often looks great on the eye test for a majority of a game but he makes mistakes and his style of play firstly doesn’t mesh with a bad team, and his adv stats aren’t great because he’s usually trying to do too much. But that doesn’t mean he’s the worst guy in the league.

I think you should use the eye test and pair it with adv stats. And for some players that situation should change. Use context, and I think there are some fantastic analytics that should be considered always. Quality of Competition is a great one when you pair with Quality of Time on Ice. Use them with your 5v5 impact and mesh those with the eye test.

I don’t think analytics are bad, and I don’t think they’re amazing. But you shouldn’t throw one or the other out.

I wouldn't say he's one of the best GM's, trying to win with all grinders is a hefty task

I wouldn't say he's one of the best GM's, trying to win with all grinders is a hefty task

I just hate when people stop using their brains because of analytics. There's a guy on here (probably one of the most annoying accounts) who thinks Roy > Doughty, Kase and Leivo being legit top 6 guys and Ristolainen not being NHL caliber.

I'm in between. I don't think JFresh is "uninformative and one of the most uneducated", I like his stats, but I also don't agree that you can use every stat he brings as an example or proof of a player's attributes/quality. Nick Leddy is not a below average offensive defenseman. He was top 25 in both power play points and in points overall. That's not below average. You want to tell me he's not worth a 2nd rounder-I agree, his defense is a liability and his offense does not make up for it.
Basically, @yikes said it best:

^Precisely. You can't just use stats, and you can't just use the naked eye test. You need both.

No one should look at only Jfresh player cards and come to a conclusion on a player. There are a few really informative analytics platforms. You’re using strictly points to argue Leddy is at least average when points have less context than analytics. It makes no sense. When Leddy is on the ice , the isles score goals at a below average rate - so how is good offensively?

This is a perfect example why using points to argue a player is good offensively is flawed. If Pageau wasn’t in good position, that leads to a high danger scoring chance for the Devils. Leddy got a secondary assist on the play, but he did nothing to contribute to the goal.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1366934651630088192

Team Canada 23U

Keller-Suzuki-Kyrou
Comtois-Dubois-Batherson
Lafrenière-Dach-Thomas
Rasmussen-Byfield-Jost

Girard-Makar
Chychrun-Dobson
Smith-Fabbro

Hart
DiPietro

Extras: Bryam, Cozens, Drysdale, Hofer, Perfetti

Edit : Nvm I'm dumb Keller is American

I’d gladly take him honestly

I beg your pardon? Roy>Doughty? As in Nick Roy? What the heck?

Someone explain the Erik Gudbranson signing to me as it makes 0 sense for Calgary

Especially when they signed Stone right after.

Like

Hanafin-Tanev (good)
Valimaki-Andersson (untested)
Zadorov-Gudbranson ( )

Depth, idk? They could just give a pylon boxing gloves and it’d be cheaper

What? Hedman and Makar yes, Fox, Pietro, Josi, McAvoy maybe, Carlson, Theodore, Hamilton, Weegar, Ellis, Spurgeon NO CHANCE. Slavin is an elite lockdown defender who takes almost no penalty minutes (1 penalty in 52 games last year) and is a terrific offensive asset, even without posting many points (similar to Adam Pelech/Ryan Pulock, as you mentioned last night). He's for sure Top 10, maybe even Top 5.
Dzinger18 Help me out here

Slavin is top 5 in the league for me. I don't think I've ever seen him not shut down a 2 on 1. He's an elite defensive defenseman with great hockey IQ. He can also contribute well offensively, moving the puck around and every now and then getting a goal. He's also a great leader and gentleman. There are just so many great qualities that make him stand out from the bunch you listed.

Bro I just saw some one say that Chytil projects to be very similar to Barkov…

My brain cells are non existent at this point, please end my suffering.