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26 août 2021 à 14 h 51
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Quoting: Alfie11
Also the fact that you omitted Ovechkin from #8 is sacrilegious


It's Ovechkin's iconic number but come on let's be real.
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26 août 2021 à 14 h 51
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Quoting: SevenLeg
It's Ovechkin's iconic number but come on let's be real.


I’d still put him over Werenski. He’s still an elite goal scorer
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26 août 2021 à 14 h 54
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Best and 2nd best player per jersey number

#1 – Jeremy Swayman (BOS) HM Casey DeSmith (PIT)
#2 – Artem Zub (OTT) HM Nick Leddy (DET)
#3 – Adam Pelech (NYI) HM John Klingberg (DAL)
#4 – Miro Heiskanen (DAL) HM Neal Pionk (WPG)
#5 – Aaron Ekblad (FLA) HM Connor Murphy (CHI)
#6 – Jakob Chychrun (ARI) HM Ryan Pulock (NYI)
#7 – Alex Pietrangelo (VGK) HM Dougie Hamilton (NJD)
#8 – Cale Makar (COL) HM Zachary Werenski (CBJ)
#9 – Jack Eichel (BUF) HM Filip Forsberg (NSH)
#10 – Artemi Panarin (NYR) HM Brayden Schenn (STL)
#11 – Jonathan Huberdeau (FLA) HM Anze Kopitar (LAK)
#12 – Alex DeBrincat (CHI) HM Craig Smith (BOS)
#13 – Mathew Barzal (NYI) HM Johnny Gaudreau (CGY)
#14 – Sean Couturier (PHI) HM Joel Eriksson Ek (MIN)
#15 – Jakub Vrana (DET) HM Alexander Kerfoot (TOR)
#16 – Aleksander Barkov (FLA) HM Mitchell Marner (TOR)
#17 – Alex Killorn (TBL) HM Bryan Rust (PIT)
#18 – Zach Hyman (EDM) HM Anthony Beauvillier (NYI)
#19 – Matthew Tkachuk (CGY) HM Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
#20 – Sebastian Aho (CAR) HM Brandon Saad (STL)
#21 – Brayden Point (TBL) HM Jason Robertson (DAL)
#22 – Kevin Fiala (MIN) HM Brett Pesce (CAR)
#23 – Adam Fox (NYR) HM Carter Verhaeghe (FLA)
#24 – Roope Hintz (DAL) HM Phillip Danault (LAK)
#25 – Darnell Nurse (EDM) HM Jonas Brodin (MIN)
#26 – Jeff Petry (MTL) HM Rasmus Dahlin (BUF)
#27 – Shea Theodore (VGK) HM Nikolaj Ehlers (WPG)
#28 – Claude Giroux (PHI) HM Elias Lindholm (CGY)
#29 – Nathan MacKinnon (COL) HM Leon Draisaitl (EDM)
#30 – Ilya Sorokin (NYI) HM Ilya Samsonov (WSH)
#31 – Carey Price (MTL) HM Igor Shesterkin (NYR)
#32 – Antti Raanta (CAR) HM Kevin Lankinen (CHI)
#33 – Viktor Arvidsson (LAK) HM Cam Talbot (MIN)
#34 – Auston Matthews (TOR) HM Denis Gurianov (DAL)
#35 – Thatcher Demko (VAN) HM Darcy Kuemper (COL)
#36 – John Gibson (ANA) HM Jack Campbell (TOR)
#37 – Connor Hellebuyck (WPG) HM Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
#38 – Boone Jenner (CBJ) HM Brandon Hagel (CHI)
#39 – Anthony Mantha (WSH) HM Logan Couture (SJS)
#40 – Elias Pettersson (VAN) HM Semyon Varlamov (NYI)
#41 – Mike Smith (EDM) HM Jaroslav Halak (VAN)
#42 – Kasperi Kapanen (PIT) HM Gustav Forsling (FLA)
#43 – Quinn Hughes (VAN) HM Tom Wilson (WSH)
#44 – Morgan Rielly (TOR) HM Maxime Comtois (ANA)
#45 – Jonathan Bernier (NJD) HM Alexandre Carrier (NSH)
#46 – Jared Spurgeon (MIN) HM Trevor Zegras (ANA)
#47 – Hampus Lindholm (ANA) HM Alexander Radulov (DAL)
#48 – Tomas Hertl (SJS) HM Matt Grzelcyk (BOS)
#49 – Samuel Girard (COL) HM Victor Rask (MIN)
#50 – Jordan Binnington (STL) HM Eric Robinson (CBJ)
#51 – Jake Gardiner (CAR) HM Radim Simek (SJS)
#52 – MacKenzie Weegar (FLA) HM Emil Bemstrom (CBJ)
#53 – Bo Horvat (VAN) HM Jeff Skinner (BUF)
#54 – Dylan Samberg (WPG) HM Mattias Samuelsson (BUF)
#55 – Mark Scheifele (WPG) HM Colton Parayko (STL)
#56 – Kailer Yamamoto (EDM) HM Erik Haula (BOS)
#57 – David Perron (STL) HM Dante Fabbro (NSH)
#58 – Kris Letang (PIT) HM David Savard (MTL)
#59 – Roman Josi (NSH) HM Jake Guentzel (PIT)
#60 – Chris Driedger (SEA) HM Alex Barré-Boulet (TBL)
#61 – Mark Stone (VGK) HM Justin Braun (PHI)
#62 – Kevin Labanc (SJS) HM Artturi Lehkonen (MTL)
#63 – Brad Marchand (BOS) HM Jesper Bratt (NJD)
#64 – Mikael Granlund (NSH) HM Tyler Motte (VAN)
#65 – Erik Karlsson (SJS) HM Markus Nutivaara (FLA)
#67 – Max Pacioretty (VGK) HM Rickard Rakell (ANA)
#68 – Mike Hoffman (MTL)
#70 – Patric Hornqvist (FLA) HM Tanner Pearson (VAN)
#71 – Evgeni Malkin (PIT) HM Taylor Hall (BOS)
#72 – Thomas Chabot (OTT) HM Justin Faulk (STL)
#73 – Charlie McAvoy (BOS) HM Tyler Toffoli (MTL)
#74 – Jaccob Slavin (CAR) HM Juuse Saros (NSH)
#75 – Connor Clifton (BOS) HM Evan Bouchard (EDM)
#76 – Brady Skjei (CAR) HM P.K. Subban (NJD)
#77 – Victor Hedman (TBL) HM T.J. Oshie (WSH)
#78 – TJ Brodie (TOR) HM Steven Lorentz (CAR)
#79 – K’Andre Miller (NYR) HM Ross Colton (TBL)
#80 – Daniel Vladar (CGY)
#81 – Kyle Connor (WPG) HM Erik Cernak (TBL)
#82 – Caleb Jones (CHI) HM Jordan Oesterle (DET)
#83 – Matthew Nieto (SJS) HM Karson Kuhlman (BOS)
#84 – Tanner Jeannot (NSH) HM William Lagesson (EDM)
#85 – Mathieu Perreault (MTL) HM Daniel Walcott (TBL)
#86 – Nikita Kucherov (TBL) HM Teuvo Teravainen (CAR)
#87 – Sidney Crosby (PIT)
#88 – Andrei Vasilevskiy (TBL) HM David Pastrnak (BOS)
#89 – Pavel Buchnevich (STL) HM Alex Tuch (VGK)
#90 – Ryan O’Reilly (STL) HM Tomas Tatar (NJD)
#91 – John Tavares (TBL) HM Steven Stamkos (TBL)
#92 – Gabriel Landeskog (COL) HM Evgeny Kuznetsov (WSH)
#93 – Mika Zibanejad (NYR) HM Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
#94 – Ryan Ellis (PHI) HM Corey Perry (TBL)
#95 – André Burakovsky (COL) HM Matt Duchene (NSH)
#96 – Mikko Rantanen (COL) HM Jack Roslovic (CBJ)
#97 – Connor McDavid (EDM) HM Kirill Kaprizov (MIN)
#98 – Mikhail Sergachev (TBL) HM Victor Mete (OTT)


My boy Seguin got snubbed. I'd probably take him over Tavares tbh.
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26 août 2021 à 14 h 56
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Quoting: justaBoss
My boy Seguin got snubbed. I'd probably take him over Tavares tbh.


I wouldn't. I feel like Seguin has disappeared from the surface of the earth.
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26 août 2021 à 14 h 57
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Quoting: justaBoss
My boy Seguin got snubbed. I'd probably take him over Tavares tbh.

Seguin missed almost the entire year and even when healthy hasn’t been able to keep up with the production of Tavares or Stamkos.
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26 août 2021 à 14 h 57
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Best and 2nd best player per jersey number

#1 – Jeremy Swayman (BOS) HM Casey DeSmith (PIT)
#2 – Artem Zub (OTT) HM Nick Leddy (DET)
#3 – Adam Pelech (NYI) HM John Klingberg (DAL)
#4 – Miro Heiskanen (DAL) HM Neal Pionk (WPG)
#5 – Aaron Ekblad (FLA) HM Connor Murphy (CHI)
#6 – Jakob Chychrun (ARI) HM Ryan Pulock (NYI)
#7 – Alex Pietrangelo (VGK) HM Dougie Hamilton (NJD)
#8 – Cale Makar (COL) HM Zachary Werenski (CBJ)
#9 – Jack Eichel (BUF) HM Filip Forsberg (NSH)
#10 – Artemi Panarin (NYR) HM Brayden Schenn (STL)
#11 – Jonathan Huberdeau (FLA) HM Anze Kopitar (LAK)
#12 – Alex DeBrincat (CHI) HM Craig Smith (BOS)
#13 – Mathew Barzal (NYI) HM Johnny Gaudreau (CGY)
#14 – Sean Couturier (PHI) HM Joel Eriksson Ek (MIN)
#15 – Jakub Vrana (DET) HM Alexander Kerfoot (TOR)
#16 – Aleksander Barkov (FLA) HM Mitchell Marner (TOR)
#17 – Alex Killorn (TBL) HM Bryan Rust (PIT)
#18 – Zach Hyman (EDM) HM Anthony Beauvillier (NYI)
#19 – Matthew Tkachuk (CGY) HM Nicklas Backstrom (WSH)
#20 – Sebastian Aho (CAR) HM Brandon Saad (STL)
#21 – Brayden Point (TBL) HM Jason Robertson (DAL)
#22 – Kevin Fiala (MIN) HM Brett Pesce (CAR)
#23 – Adam Fox (NYR) HM Carter Verhaeghe (FLA)
#24 – Roope Hintz (DAL) HM Phillip Danault (LAK)
#25 – Darnell Nurse (EDM) HM Jonas Brodin (MIN)
#26 – Jeff Petry (MTL) HM Rasmus Dahlin (BUF)
#27 – Shea Theodore (VGK) HM Nikolaj Ehlers (WPG)
#28 – Claude Giroux (PHI) HM Elias Lindholm (CGY)
#29 – Nathan MacKinnon (COL) HM Leon Draisaitl (EDM)
#30 – Ilya Sorokin (NYI) HM Ilya Samsonov (WSH)
#31 – Carey Price (MTL) HM Igor Shesterkin (NYR)
#32 – Antti Raanta (CAR) HM Kevin Lankinen (CHI)
#33 – Viktor Arvidsson (LAK) HM Cam Talbot (MIN)
#34 – Auston Matthews (TOR) HM Denis Gurianov (DAL)
#35 – Thatcher Demko (VAN) HM Darcy Kuemper (COL)
#36 – John Gibson (ANA) HM Jack Campbell (TOR)
#37 – Connor Hellebuyck (WPG) HM Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
#38 – Boone Jenner (CBJ) HM Brandon Hagel (CHI)
#39 – Anthony Mantha (WSH) HM Logan Couture (SJS)
#40 – Elias Pettersson (VAN) HM Semyon Varlamov (NYI)
#41 – Mike Smith (EDM) HM Jaroslav Halak (VAN)
#42 – Kasperi Kapanen (PIT) HM Gustav Forsling (FLA)
#43 – Quinn Hughes (VAN) HM Tom Wilson (WSH)
#44 – Morgan Rielly (TOR) HM Maxime Comtois (ANA)
#45 – Jonathan Bernier (NJD) HM Alexandre Carrier (NSH)
#46 – Jared Spurgeon (MIN) HM Trevor Zegras (ANA)
#47 – Hampus Lindholm (ANA) HM Alexander Radulov (DAL)
#48 – Tomas Hertl (SJS) HM Matt Grzelcyk (BOS)
#49 – Samuel Girard (COL) HM Victor Rask (MIN)
#50 – Jordan Binnington (STL) HM Eric Robinson (CBJ)
#51 – Jake Gardiner (CAR) HM Radim Simek (SJS)
#52 – MacKenzie Weegar (FLA) HM Emil Bemstrom (CBJ)
#53 – Bo Horvat (VAN) HM Jeff Skinner (BUF)
#54 – Dylan Samberg (WPG) HM Mattias Samuelsson (BUF)
#55 – Mark Scheifele (WPG) HM Colton Parayko (STL)
#56 – Kailer Yamamoto (EDM) HM Erik Haula (BOS)
#57 – David Perron (STL) HM Dante Fabbro (NSH)
#58 – Kris Letang (PIT) HM David Savard (MTL)
#59 – Roman Josi (NSH) HM Jake Guentzel (PIT)
#60 – Chris Driedger (SEA) HM Alex Barré-Boulet (TBL)
#61 – Mark Stone (VGK) HM Justin Braun (PHI)
#62 – Kevin Labanc (SJS) HM Artturi Lehkonen (MTL)
#63 – Brad Marchand (BOS) HM Jesper Bratt (NJD)
#64 – Mikael Granlund (NSH) HM Tyler Motte (VAN)
#65 – Erik Karlsson (SJS) HM Markus Nutivaara (FLA)
#67 – Max Pacioretty (VGK) HM Rickard Rakell (ANA)
#68 – Mike Hoffman (MTL)
#70 – Patric Hornqvist (FLA) HM Tanner Pearson (VAN)
#71 – Evgeni Malkin (PIT) HM Taylor Hall (BOS)
#72 – Thomas Chabot (OTT) HM Justin Faulk (STL)
#73 – Charlie McAvoy (BOS) HM Tyler Toffoli (MTL)
#74 – Jaccob Slavin (CAR) HM Juuse Saros (NSH)
#75 – Connor Clifton (BOS) HM Evan Bouchard (EDM)
#76 – Brady Skjei (CAR) HM P.K. Subban (NJD)
#77 – Victor Hedman (TBL) HM T.J. Oshie (WSH)
#78 – TJ Brodie (TOR) HM Steven Lorentz (CAR)
#79 – K’Andre Miller (NYR) HM Ross Colton (TBL)
#80 – Daniel Vladar (CGY)
#81 – Kyle Connor (WPG) HM Erik Cernak (TBL)
#82 – Caleb Jones (CHI) HM Jordan Oesterle (DET)
#83 – Matthew Nieto (SJS) HM Karson Kuhlman (BOS)
#84 – Tanner Jeannot (NSH) HM William Lagesson (EDM)
#85 – Mathieu Perreault (MTL) HM Daniel Walcott (TBL)
#86 – Nikita Kucherov (TBL) HM Teuvo Teravainen (CAR)
#87 – Sidney Crosby (PIT)
#88 – Andrei Vasilevskiy (TBL) HM David Pastrnak (BOS)
#89 – Pavel Buchnevich (STL) HM Alex Tuch (VGK)
#90 – Ryan O’Reilly (STL) HM Tomas Tatar (NJD)
#91 – John Tavares (TBL) HM Steven Stamkos (TBL)
#92 – Gabriel Landeskog (COL) HM Evgeny Kuznetsov (WSH)
#93 – Mika Zibanejad (NYR) HM Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (EDM)
#94 – Ryan Ellis (PHI) HM Corey Perry (TBL)
#95 – André Burakovsky (COL) HM Matt Duchene (NSH)
#96 – Mikko Rantanen (COL) HM Jack Roslovic (CBJ)
#97 – Connor McDavid (EDM) HM Kirill Kaprizov (MIN)
#98 – Mikhail Sergachev (TBL) HM Victor Mete (OTT)


Wow good idea, good list, and props to all the effort you put into it!
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 5
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Quoting: Alfie11
Seguin missed almost the entire year and even when healthy hasn’t been able to keep up with the production of Tavares or Stamkos.


Hard to keep up offensively in the all out defense system. Injuries are a different case.

If I had a choice between healthy Seguin and healthy Tavares, I'd pick Seguin. That's just my two cents on it.

I'd probably take Stammer ahead both of them though.
26 août 2021 à 15 h 29
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Marchand-Point-Toffoli
Tatar-Zibenajad-Roslovic
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Chabot-Cernak
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 37
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How good is this?
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Marchand-Point-Toffoli
Tatar-Zibenajad-Roslovic
Copp-Dvorak-Gurianov
Martin-Martinook-A.Wagner

Chabot-Cernak
Edmundson-Severson
Z.Jones-Gudas

Gibson
Halak


I think they have all the tools to win it all
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 40
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How good is this?
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Marchand-Point-Toffoli
Tatar-Zibenajad-Roslovic
Copp-Dvorak-Gurianov
Martin-Martinook-A.Wagner

Chabot-Cernak
Edmundson-Severson
Z.Jones-Gudas

Gibson
Halak


Offence is terrific, they got depth all around and they’ve got Point and Marchand who’re some of the best playoff performers in the league. The goaltending is also good with Gibson who’s a top 10 goalie and Halak who’s a pretty good backup. Defence is alright, Chabot is a number one, but after that there isn’t much to it. Bottom parring is an average bottom parring, but the problem is that Cernak, Severson and Edmundson aren’t number 2’s.

I still think they’re cup contenders because they’ve got way more pros than cons.
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Offence is terrific, they got depth all around and they’ve got Point and Marchand who’re some of the best playoff performers in the league. The goaltending is also good with Gibson who’s a top 10 goalie and Halak who’s a pretty good backup. Defence is alright, Chabot is a number one, but after that there isn’t much to it. Bottom parring is an average bottom parring, but the problem is that Cernak, Severson and Edmundson aren’t number 2’s.

I still think they’re cup contenders because they’ve got way more pros than cons.


Severson and Cernak are both second pairing defencemen
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: Juiceman
Severson and Cernak are both second pairing defencemen


So is Edmundson.
26 août 2021 à 15 h 44
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Quoting: SevenLeg
So is Edmundson.


I see him as a number 4 or a number 5 if he’s on a good team
26 août 2021 à 15 h 45
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Quoting: Juiceman
Severson and Cernak are both second pairing defencemen


They’re second pairing defensemen, but they aren’t top parring guys. What I meant was 2nd best defensemen not 2nd pairing defensemen.
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: Juiceman
I see him as a number 4 or a number 5 if he’s on a good team


Well he was the second best defenseman on a top 5 defense core. He was stellar this season and much better than people want to give him credits for. Heck he was even better than Cernak and Severson.
26 août 2021 à 15 h 47
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Well he was the second best defenseman on a top 5 defense core. He was stellar this season and much better than people want to give him credits for. Heck he was even better than Cernak and Severson.


He’s great defensively but be paired with an offensive defence man like Petry because he isn’t as dynamic offensively as a lot of top pairing defence men
26 août 2021 à 15 h 50
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Quoting: Juiceman
He’s great defensively but be paired with an offensive defence man like Petry because he isn’t as dynamic offensively as a lot of top pairing defence men


Severson has decent offensive potential (40 pts or so) and a good puck mover, so he'd fit well with Edmundson IMO
26 août 2021 à 15 h 50
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How good is this?
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Marchand-Point-Toffoli
Tatar-Zibenajad-Roslovic
Copp-Dvorak-Gurianov
Martin-Martinook-A.Wagner

Chabot-Cernak
Edmundson-Severson
Z.Jones-Gudas

Gibson
Halak


Roslovic is a bit of a question mark but other than that the wingers are good, great center depth, defence doesn’t have a legit top pair ( Chabot is a top pairing D but no one else ) but they compensate for it with good depth, goaltending should be good if Halak bounce back
26 août 2021 à 15 h 56
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Quoting: Juiceman
He’s great defensively but be paired with an offensive defence man like Petry because he isn’t as dynamic offensively as a lot of top pairing defence men


I'm failing to see your point here, pretty much every defenseman leans towards either offense or defense. Cernak and Edmundson are more defense-oriented, while Severson is more offensive. Edmundson and Petry bring the best out of each other. He even had a bigger offensive impact than a lot of defensemen one would consider more offensive.
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26 août 2021 à 15 h 56
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He’s great defensively but be paired with an offensive defence man like Petry because he isn’t as dynamic offensively as a lot of top pairing defence men


I'm failing to see your point here, pretty much every defenseman leans towards either offense or defense. Cernak and Edmundson are more defense-oriented, while Severson is more offensive. Edmundson and Petry bring the best out of each other. He even had a bigger offensive impact than a lot of defensemen one would consider more offensive.
26 août 2021 à 16 h 3
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26 août 2021 à 16 h 12
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Love this, thought he’d come in a little cheaper but on a 1-2 year deal, getting that 3rd year is huge. Should be an above average 3rd liner with upside of being a good two-way 2nd liner and future leader of the team.
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26 août 2021 à 16 h 17
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How far do they go and what do these players have in common?

T.Tatar--M. Necas--O. Bjorkstrand
T.Bertuzzi--T.Johnson--J. Carter
M. Perreault--R. Faksa--A. Kempe
T.Nosek--J. Beagle--D. Grant

Z. Werenski--F. Hronek
J.Oleksiak--C. Miller
D. Forbort--R. Gudas

C. Price
B. Holtby

Extras: R. Sheahan, M. Borowiecki
26 août 2021 à 16 h 19
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Quoting: justaBoss
Hard to keep up offensively in the all out defense system. Injuries are a different case.

If I had a choice between healthy Seguin and healthy Tavares, I'd pick Seguin. That's just my two cents on it.

I'd probably take Stammer ahead both of them though.


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Offence is terrific, they got depth all around and they’ve got Point and Marchand who’re some of the best playoff performers in the league. The goaltending is also good with Gibson who’s a top 10 goalie and Halak who’s a pretty good backup. Defence is alright, Chabot is a number one, but after that there isn’t much to it. Bottom parring is an average bottom parring, but the problem is that Cernak, Severson and Edmundson aren’t number 2’s.

I still think they’re cup contenders because they’ve got way more pros than cons.


I tagged you guys on my central division thread, but I edited it into the comment because of the 3 tag rule. I was wondering if it worked and either of you guys got a tag or if i have to create a new comment for each 3 set of tags. It doesn’t matter if you got the tag and just didn’t respond, that’s fine. I was just wondering if what I did worked
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How far do they go and what do these players have in common?

T.Tatar--M. Necas--O. Bjorkstrand
T.Bertuzzi--T.Johnson--J. Carter
M. Perreault--R. Faksa--A. Kempe
T.Nosek--J. Beagle--D. Grant

Z. Werenski--F. Hronek
J.Oleksiak--C. Miller
D. Forbort--R. Gudas

C. Price
B. Holtby

Extras: R. Sheahan, M. Borowiecki


No playoffs, they miss by at least 10 pts IMO, offense sucks ass and defense lacks something.

As far as the «in common» thing, I have no idea

Hint?
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