Kempný, Michal
2021 4th round pick (WSH)

The going rate for a cap dump trade is higher than a 4th for a 6th as seen by the Marc Staal trade. But if you think Detroit wants a 30's LHD coming off two seasons of significant injuries instead of just getting an UFA or other cap dump then you are mistaken.

He’s done. So wings are basically getting a free 4th round pick for a guy that’s going to be on LTIR. Caps don’t need to waste assets to dump dead cap. Also Kempny was pretty amazing before getting hurt not a guy I would consider a cap dump more of a low risk high reward guy considering where the wings are at in there rebuild

Detroit got a 2nd for taking on Staal this season and he could actually play. You want to pay less to dump someone who can't play?

Lol what was Staal cap hit? His cap counts vs the actual cap. Idk how this is that hard to understand. Caps don’t pay to move dead cap anyway lol

These are Detroit's LHD that were drafted in rounds 1-3 and the number in parenthesis is how many picks the team had in those rounds

2022 (4)
2021 6th overall, 22nd overall, 37th, 47th, 52nd, 70th, 96th plus 2 4th rounders (7)
2020 William Wallinder R2#32, Donovan Sebrango R3#63, Eemil Viro R3#70 (6)
2019 Albert Johansson R2#60 (5)
2018 Jared McIsaac R2#36 (7)
2017 Kasper Kotkansalo R3#71 (6)
2016 Dennis Cholowski R1#20 (3)

So I don't think a 4th rounder for 2.2M in actual salary is all that appealing to them considering that Marc Staal's 3.2M was worth a 2nd round pick (47th overall) as the Rangers already paid his bonus money of 1M.

The cap hit is irrelevant to Detroit, they have room for dozens of dumps.

What matters is that we got paid a 2nd for taking on a player that we actually had use for.

You're proposing we should accept less for a player we have no use for.

To put it in other words, with the Staal trade we recieved a useful player and a 2nd round pick. You want to send us a useless player and expect to pay less. That's not how this universe works.

Keep him!

This is more thanks from wild. Kuznetsov doesn't have that type of value. Wild walk away.

There's probably 95 percent chance wild gm won't be interested in Kuznetsov due to fact he was brought in to clean lockeroom, & continues to do so

But Detroit is no where near the cap ceiling so there is no dead cap. Detroit's LTIR used was $0 and that is with Zetterberg on LTIR for $6,083,333 and Bertuzzi on LTIR for most of the year at 3.5M. And Kempný's 2.2M in actual salary is part of a team budget that the owner (the son who inherited the team when Mike Illitch died) may have set internally that would prevent the Wings from taking on another Marc Staal type for a better pick.

JFC. KEMPNY IS HURT. CAPITALS WONT PAY TO TRADE DEAD CAP. dead cap means it doesn’t count towards cap. Staal cap hit was 5.7m you want the capitals to pay the exact same amount to “dump” half the cap but in reality it doesn’t even count towards their salary cap. That’s so dumb. It’s even more dumb you both can’t comprehend this

You are not looking at it from the Wings prospective. That is why you can't comprehend this.

PS DEAD CAP is the percentage retained from a trade. LONG-TERM INJURED RESERVE is not dead cap unless you are spending at the ceiling.

Wings not near the cap ceiling so he's not a dead cap hit to them. He might be to Washington...but not to the Wings. His cap hit would count unless they spent 48M more in cap hits next year. That is why it is not a dead hit to them. Washington spending above the cap it doesn't count for. Red Wings not spending above the cap it does count for. You do understand this concept don't you?

Like I said before. He's not worth the risk as anything but a cap dump to the Wings.

Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once.

One trade gives you a player that you need and in addition also a 2nd round pick.

Another trade gives you a player you don't need and have no use for and also a 4th round pick.

If you had a choice of making one of those two trades for your team which one would you make?

The cap cost is utterly irrelevant, Detroit have 35 million to spend next season it matters **** all to the value of the trade!

The fact that the player is useless and on IR makes him less valuable not more!

Then you are wasting Detroit's cap space that can be used to acquire a much better pick than a 4th rounder. Why do you not get that?

The fact the player is on LTIR and Detroit is not near the ceiling means he hits Detroit's cap where as if he stayed in Washington he would be DEAD CAP space. He's not a 4th rounder for nothing. He's a 4th rounder for his cap hit on Detroit. They aren't at the ceiling.

And I demonstrated why taking on yet another 4th rounder is superfluous at best based on the number of picks Detroit recently had. Detroit has the 9th best farm system according to THN's prospect list. They need top line players not 4th rounders.

I very much think you're responding to the wrong person here.

We're on the same side in this argument.

my bad you responded and I didn't even read it: I meant to quote the person above you. The avatar was too similar I fixed it.

I don't see why he doesn't get what you and I are saying.

You're saying Detroit didn't consider Staal's $5.7M cap hit because they weren't trying to compete last year? And you thought he was still solid in spite of a postseason where he went -4 in 3 games? Right.

Under the flat cap, playoff hopefuls are worried about AAV more than money. A negative 2nd for one year of 5.7M cap hit on a then 33 year old, third pairing D blamed for a series loss is reasonable. Kempny is coming off an injury (or not) at a good cap hit. He assisted on a Cup winning goal. The 2018 Caps became good after they acquired him and played him on their top pair. The next year he was in the top 50 defensemen in EVP and plus/minus. If he can play, some team offers a 7th for him. If not, a 20% co-pay on Kempny's remaining $2.2M (after bonus) is $440k. The cost to dump $440k might be.... a 7th. Or a move from 7th to 6th. He's not a cap dump. He's a veteran leader with top pairing skill whose leg injury makes him a question mark. He's a Czech defenseman with a Cup ring who can mentor the Wings' good defenseman and help him get better.

Also, the pandemic is ending. This is not 2021. In another thread, Philly won't give a 2nd to move Gostisbehere's Staal-like cap hit. Over the last three years, Kempny has more even strength points than Gost. In spite of missing one of those years entirely. So, you know, while you're figuring out who fits on the top pairing, keep in mind who is good at hockey and who leaves cap room for more good players.

Why would Detroit be interested in what the player did in 2018 when they're hiring for 2021-23?

What matters it what value he has to Detroit for those two years they would be paying his salary, that's what determines whether they're interested or not, nothing else!

Detroit doesn't want him. They have no use for him.

Detroit can totally go with young guys at LD. That's a good long term plan. If they want a veteran 1LD to help Hronek improve, as some Wings posts are showing, Kempny (when healthy) is better than Ghost, and a lot cheaper. Trading for him might cost a bag of pucks, because WSH has Orlov, Dillon, Fehervary, Alexeyev, and Johansen as options at LD, even before they look at re-signing Chara.

Detroit currently have, on LD, DeKeyser (who has a bad back and is on his last season) and Cholowski (who is questionable defensivly) and 4 newly signed prospects who have played a total of zero NHL games between them.

The last thing Detroit needs on LD is another invalid that you don't know whether he can play from one day to the next. Detroit needs reliable veterans that can tie them over until the prospects mature.

What situation Washington is in with regards to their depth or how good Kempný was 3 years ago have absolutely no bearing on how Detroit values the deal.

The only thing that matters is how well he fills the need we have and what the price is. That will then be compared to other options like FA or other trades and the best option for Detroit will be chosen.

Detroit doesn't want Kempný!

This is the kind of helpful post that explains what teams want, rather than just criticizing opposing player for not being what a team secretly wants. Thank you for explaining. It sounds like you're saying Detroit should take on whatever cap dumps come with top prospects or top picks, this year, and not make small risk/reward moves to improve short-term.

Leaving aside the confusion about whether Staal looked like a useful player last summer, this is a really helpful post. I'm not sure all of the Detroit fans on here agree with you, and some of them have said that Kempny could help short-term and then be flipped for a 2nd at the deadline, but I totally get wanting to wait and see whether Detroit can sell out all its cap space for a bunch of top picks and blue chips. Absolutely. I don't think anybody is arguing against that, if that's what Yzerman wants to do.

Should that not materialize, and should Detroit decide to make small risk/reward pickups to see if they can inch toward the playoffs this coming season, then and only then does it make sense to talk about Kempny for a bag of pucks.

I gave up after they thought Staal’s 5.7m in cap was better than taking Kempny’s 2.5m in LTIR cap. It’s like basically getting a free pick for a player that you’ll never have to use on the roster while also being able to use the other cap space to take on other terrible contracts. The one guy said Staal was useful? In what universe is Staal useful? He was a 5.7m cap dump that the wings only got a 2nd round pick to take on. Lol Using that logic Kempny being paid half should only cost half to dump? But all logic is lost with this conversation. 1) bc Kempny doesn’t count towards to salary cap so no need to dump him. 😊. I love talking to walls on this site