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Créé par: Philly79
Date de création initiale: 5 juin 2021
Publié: 5 juin 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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UFAANSCAP HIT
Hyman, Zach43 500 000 $
Coleman, Blake43 000 000 $
Driedger, Chris31 700 000 $
Danault, Phillip62 500 000 $
Goodrow, Barclay3750 000 $
Perry, Corey1750 000 $
Hamilton, Dougie86 000 000 $
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    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
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    1. Tkachuk, Matthew
    2. Zary, Connor
    3. 2021 2e round pick (CGY)
    4. 2021 3e round pick (CGY)
    CGY
    1. Marner, Mitchell
    Détails additionnels:
    "trade marner"
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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    5 juin 2021 à 10 h 44
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    Flames fans hate when we trade Tkachuk for Marner because they think Tkachuk is the better player (which is clearly wrong)
    5 juin 2021 à 10 h 55
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    Quoting: BenjaminWalder
    Flames fans hate when we trade Tkachuk for Marner because they think Tkachuk is the better player (which is clearly wrong)


    No we just don't want a small winger who cant play in the playoffs while being on a bloated contract. It just doesn't make sense for us, especially when you consider were losing tkachuk who brings physicality
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 0
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    Quoting: TKFlames
    No we just don't want a small winger who cant play in the playoffs while being on a bloated contract. It just doesn't make sense for us, especially when you consider were losing tkachuk who brings physicality


    Tkachuk: 5 points in 15 playoff games - 0.33ppg

    Marner: 25 points in 32 playoff games - 0.78ppg


    Sorry and who can't perform in playoffs?
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 1
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    Quoting: BenjaminWalder
    Flames fans hate when we trade Tkachuk for Marner because they think Tkachuk is the better player (which is clearly wrong)


    How is it clearly wrong lmao, have you not learned by now that regular season point totals mean nothing if you can't show up in the playoffs. Also last time I checked they play different styles, Tkachuk is a better player overall and Marner is the more dynamic forward. If Marner is so clearly better stop trying to trade him for Tkachuk.
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 2
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Tkachuk: 5 points in 15 playoff games - 0.33ppg

    Marner: 25 points in 32 playoff games - 0.78ppg


    Sorry and who can't perform in playoffs?


    Preform doesn't just mean scoring IMO
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    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 4
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Preform doesn't just mean scoring IMO


    Exactly, tkachuk is good at getting teams of their game and was a huge reason why we made it past Winnipeg last year. Not to mention that marner is a perimeter player which wont go well with sutters style
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    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 8
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    Quoting: TKFlames
    No we just don't want a small winger who cant play in the playoffs while being on a bloated contract. It just doesn't make sense for us, especially when you consider were losing tkachuk who brings physicality


    We’re giving you a guy who can get you there
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 12
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Preform doesn't just mean scoring IMO


    Not saying it does. But when there's that much of a gap in scoring, it's a telling story.

    How can people be on Marner for "not performing" this year when he didn't produce points, but Tkachuk hasn't produced either? Seems like a double standard.
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 34
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Not saying it does. But when there's that much of a gap in scoring, it's a telling story.

    How can people be on Marner for "not performing" this year when he didn't produce points, but Tkachuk hasn't produced either? Seems like a double standard.


    But again you're missing the point, 4 out of those 15 games was when he was a rookie against the Anaheim Ducks where we got swept. 5 pts in 11 games isnt much better but were looking at more than just point totals.

    People can say that because Mitch Marner is the central player in a highly potent offence playing with the greatest goal scorer of this generation, while Matthew Tkachuk is a more 200 ft type player whos most consistent linemate is Mikael Backlund. They can also say he didn't perform because the Leafs were heavily favoured in their series with the Habs and he's arguably the biggest reason they choked a 3-1 lead.
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 41
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    Quoting: Ansabch12
    But again you're missing the point, 4 out of those 15 games was when he was a rookie against the Anaheim Ducks where we got swept. 5 pts in 11 games isnt much better but were looking at more than just point totals.

    People can say that because Mitch Marner is the central player in a highly potent offence playing with the greatest goal scorer of this generation, while Matthew Tkachuk is a more 200 ft type player whos most consistent linemate is Mikael Backlund. They can also say he didn't perform because the Leafs were heavily favoured in their series with the Habs and he's arguably the biggest reason they choked a 3-1 lead.


    Again, it's a complete double standard.

    & Marner wasn't the reason why the lost. He had a better series than Matthews and no one talks about him that much. Everyone only talks about Marner cause he's the easiest one to trade. But that doesn't mean it was his fault they lost
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 43
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    If Marner is all that why are you trying to trade him for Tkachuk
    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 48
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Tkachuk: 5 points in 15 playoff games - 0.33ppg

    Marner: 25 points in 32 playoff games - 0.78ppg


    Sorry and who can't perform in playoffs?


    Points dont matter tho its what they dotears of joy
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    5 juin 2021 à 11 h 49
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Again, it's a complete double standard.

    & Marner wasn't the reason why the lost. He had a better series than Matthews and no one talks about him that much. Everyone only talks about Marner cause he's the easiest one to trade. But that doesn't mean it was his fault they lost


    They talk about him cause this isn't the first time he disappeared in the playoffs, it isn't a double standard at this point its valid criticism. It is absolutely his and Matthews fault that they lost, you had depth scoring from players like Spezza, Nylander scored 8 pts in 7 games, Morgan Rielly had an amazing series, the defence was very good, and Jack Campbell had better stats than Carey Price. What could you possibly blame aside from the top 2 players who didn't show up.

    This doesn't take Matthews off the hook either he looked and play awful in that series, but he had his chances and played well defensively you could watch him hustling out there. Marner however was out taking stupid penalties, turning pucks over, missing passes, and he looked visibly shaken.

    Also no, Marner isn't the easiest to trade, he is by far the hardest to trade because no one can afford to eat that much money in a flat cap situation and at the same time give you a return that is equal value, it just isn't happening and it isn't happening in Calgary for sure.
    5 juin 2021 à 12 h 4
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    Flames very easily decline
    5 juin 2021 à 12 h 5
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    Quoting: flamesfan
    Flames very easily decline


    Ik read the title
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    5 juin 2021 à 12 h 7
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    Quoting: Ansabch12
    They talk about him cause this isn't the first time he disappeared in the playoffs, it isn't a double standard at this point its valid criticism. It is absolutely his and Matthews fault that they lost, you had depth scoring from players like Spezza, Nylander scored 8 pts in 7 games, Morgan Rielly had an amazing series, the defence was very good, and Jack Campbell had better stats than Carey Price. What could you possibly blame aside from the top 2 players who didn't show up.

    This doesn't take Matthews off the hook either he looked and play awful in that series, but he had his chances and played well defensively you could watch him hustling out there. Marner however was out taking stupid penalties, turning pucks over, missing passes, and he looked visibly shaken.

    Also no, Marner isn't the easiest to trade, he is by far the hardest to trade because no one can afford to eat that much money in a flat cap situation and at the same time give you a return that is equal value, it just isn't happening and it isn't happening in Calgary for sure.


    It's funny that you mention Matthews being good defensively when Marner was actually better defensively and played on the PK the entire series. One that didn't allow a PP goal until game 6 but that seems to fly under the radar too.

    I'm not taking the blame off Marner or Matthews I'm just saying that Marner is the easy target here. Matthews was worse and after leading the league in goals, it's on him to be better. He wasn't. More of this falls on Matthews shoulders than Marner's (again not saying Marner isn't to blame at all). & Matthews also didn't really show up last year in the play in either, aside from an OT goal that was basically a gimme. & no ones putting most of the blame on him.

    & if you look at it on context, Marner is by far the easiest player to move. Matthews is not being moved, you don't trade a generational goal scorer and expect to be better. Tavares isn't being moved, it's his say if hw wanted to be. Nylander isn't being moved because he was just your best forward in the playoffs, trading him makes no sense. So that leaves Marner as the easiest. & anyone saying that he isn't easy to move just doesn't know what they're talking about. There's tons of teams that can fit his cap, and the actual money Marner is owed drastically decreases now as most of it was paid in signing bonuses. There are tons of owners and GM's who would love to have a player with a higher cap hit but pay them less actual money as they hit the cap floor but don't have to dish out as much from their pockets. Oh and on top of that they're getting a top 5 scorer in the league. If Marner was available, there'd be a ton of suitors. I'm actually more impressed with management coming out and saying they're not trading them. Trading one of them is the easy answer. Develop them and create them to be better hockey players is the hard one but the right one.
    5 juin 2021 à 14 h 23
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    Quoting: Philly79
    Ik read the title


    My bad I should have read the title, there’s just so many of these kinds of trades
     
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