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Move him

Créé par: Boomer125
Date de création initiale: jun 4, 2021
Publié: 4 jun à 8 h 23
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
I heard the presser too, wouldn't be the first time a GM said we're not moving any core just move a piece of the core. It's very hard to fill this roster with Marner on it it's also next to impossible to win a marner trade (kind of like Buffalo and Eichel) you simply don't win that trade. What do get is flexibility which seems to be a premium in this post Panni league.

A few options, I'm sure the fan bases will have all kinds of negative chatter with how fresh this disappointment is.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Garland, Conor [Droits de RFA]
  2. Larsson, Johan
ARI
  1. Marner, Mitchell
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
  2. Domi, Max
CBJ
    Mitch Marner
    TOR
    1. Brown, Connor
    2. 2022 1e round pick (OTT)
    3. 2022 2e round pick (TBL)
    OTT
      Mitch Marner
      TOR
      1. 2022 1e round pick (SEA)
      2. 2022 2e round pick (SEA)
      Aiden Hill or we don't know yet but middle 6 F
      SEA
        Mitch Marner
        Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
        • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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        TOR
        TOR
        2022
        TOR
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        SEA
        TOR
        TBL
        SEA
        TOR
        2023
        TOR
        TOR
        TOR
        TOR
        TOR
        TOR
        TOR
        TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
        1381 500 000 $58 091 783 $0 $0 $23 408 217 $
        Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
        TOR
        Mikheyev, Ilya
        1 645 000 $
        AG, AD
        UFA - 1
        TOR
        Matthews, Auston
        11 640 250 $
        C
        UFA - 3
        TOR
        Nylander, William
        6 962 366 $
        AD, AG
        UFA - 3
        TOR
        Engvall, Pierre
        1 250 000 $
        AG, C
        RFA - 1
        TOR
        Tavares, John
        11 000 000 $
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 4
        TOR
        Kerfoot, Alexander
        3 500 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 2
        TOR
        Brooks, Adam
        725 000 $
        C
        RFA - 1
        Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
        TOR
        Muzzin, Jake
        5 625 000 $
        DG
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        TOR
        Brodie, TJ
        5 000 000 $
        DD
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        TOR
        Campbell, Jack
        1 650 000 $
        G
        UFA - 1
        TOR
        Rielly, Morgan
        5 000 000 $
        DG
        NTC
        UFA - 1
        TOR
        Holl, Justin
        2 000 000 $
        DD
        NTC
        UFA - 2
        TOR
        Sandin, Rasmus
        894 167 $
        DG
        RFA - 1
        Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
        ARI
        Larsson, Johan
        1 400 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 1
        CBJ
        Jones, Seth
        5 400 000 $
        DD
        NTC
        UFA - 1
        CBJ
        Domi, Max
        5 300 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 1
        OTT
        Brown, Connor
        3 600 000 $
        AG, AD
        UFA - 2

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        4 jun à 8 h 36
        #1
        JOSH ALLEN A LEGEND
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        He wont
        4 jun à 8 h 54
        #2
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        Ottawa should do that if that was on the table
        4 jun à 9 h 08
        #3
        Lenny7
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        Mannnn...selling so low on Marner. From a Non-Leafs fan, the only one that *might* make sense (And I still think you're selling low) is the Ottawa one, because that still likely ends up as a lotto pick, but c'mon. Marner is a top 5 RW in the league...don't listen to the whole "hE wAsN't TrYiNg!!!" narrative. Guy is an excellent player.
        Ritzy a aimé ceci.
        4 jun à 9 h 22
        #4
        Leafs Sufferer
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        No GM will pay full value right now for Marner, no sense in trading him.

        If he did get moved, he'd light it up and Leafs nation would look even dumber than they do now.

        Best to just keep him and work out the kinks. Regardless of how long/frustrating the process is.
        4 jun à 10 h 21
        #5
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        Quoting: Lenny7
        Mannnn...selling so low on Marner. From a Non-Leafs fan, the only one that *might* make sense (And I still think you're selling low) is the Ottawa one, because that still likely ends up as a lotto pick, but c'mon. Marner is a top 5 RW in the league...don't listen to the whole "hE wAsN't TrYiNg!!!" narrative. Guy is an excellent player.


        None of these are trades at what the value or return should be , merely a post pointing to organizations that would have and should have significant interest in Marner if the Leafs were to look at creating some flexibility in the flat cap era (none of the trade marner discussion would be happening if the pandemic never happened and the cap hit it's projection of 90 million when marner signed his deal
        4 jun à 10 h 22
        #6
        Sports and Tacos
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        TOR needs depth with good ELC rookies.

        Ottawa does have the assets to make that trade. It would probably be Brown, a 1st and a couple of good prospects.

        But if they actually do trade him, I highly doubt it's going to be an inner division trade.

        I really like the Jones (with extension) for Marner for both sides.
        4 jun à 10 h 24
        #7
        Sports and Tacos
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        Quoting: Boomer125
        None of these are trades at what the value or return should be , merely a post pointing to organizations that would have and should have significant interest in Marner if the Leafs were to look at creating some flexibility in the flat cap era (none of the trade marner discussion would be happening if the pandemic never happened and the cap hit it's projection of 90 million when marner signed his deal


        It's the world we live in. Everyone's in the same boat.

        Cap space has always been valuable
        4 jun à 10 h 25
        #8
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        Quoting: Ritzy
        No GM will pay full value right now for Marner, no sense in trading him.

        If he did get moved, he'd light it up and Leafs nation would look even dumber than they do now.

        Best to just keep him and work out the kinks. Regardless of how long/frustrating the process is.


        The truth is with out moving a contract with double digits leaves the Leafs in a very precarious position of not being able to keep certain players (Hyman, Rielly) and watching them walk to UFA with absolutely nothing to show for it. Long-term cap situation has changed, therefore the game has changed and now the long-term plan should change
        4 jun à 10 h 28
        #9
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        Quoting: ThatGuy
        It's the world we live in. Everyone's in the same boat.

        Cap space has always been valuable


        It's not the same boat, Leafs have 3 10+ contracts, no team has had any playoff success with 1 player making double digits let alone 3 ( the idea when these were signed was a couple tight years then the cap opens up) pandemic hit and threw a wrench in it all.

        Literally with the Habs beating the Leafs is the first time in history a Double digit contract saw beyond the 1st rnd
        4 jun à 10 h 32
        #10
        Sports and Tacos
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        Quoting: Boomer125
        It's not the same boat, Leafs have 3 10+ contracts, no team has had any playoff success with 1 player making double digits let alone 3 ( the idea when these were signed was a couple tight years then the cap opens up) pandemic hit and threw a wrench in it all.

        Literally with the Habs beating the Leafs is the first time in history a Double digit contract saw beyond the 1st rnd


        Oh!! yeah, that's a good point.

        They say it's better to have two 5 million dollar players than one 10 Million dollar player. Especially for playoffs.

        The leafs have all their eggs in one basket.

        Hindsight 20/20, They should have Bridged Marner then signed them to a monster contract.
        4 jun à 11 h 38
        #11
        Leafs Sufferer
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        Quoting: Boomer125
        The truth is with out moving a contract with double digits leaves the Leafs in a very precarious position of not being able to keep certain players (Hyman, Rielly) and watching them walk to UFA with absolutely nothing to show for it. Long-term cap situation has changed, therefore the game has changed and now the long-term plan should change


        I'm not saying it won't be difficult, but at the very least they have all the cheap deals coming off the books this year, maybe Kerfoot gets taken in the expansion draft, and I am assuming Andersen isn't coming back. Maybe that is enough, I'm not sure.

        Kessel's money does come off the books the same year Reilly needs to get paid. It's not much, but maybe it will help.
        4 jun à 16 h 35
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        Quoting: Ritzy
        I'm not saying it won't be difficult, but at the very least they have all the cheap deals coming off the books this year, maybe Kerfoot gets taken in the expansion draft, and I am assuming Andersen isn't coming back. Maybe that is enough, I'm not sure.

        Kessel's money does come off the books the same year Reilly needs to get paid. It's not much, but maybe it will help.


        It's 1.2 swing that to Rielly and he's at 6.2 which is close but probably a million shy of his open market value
        4 jun à 17 h 25
        #13
        Banni
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        Non of your trades will happen
        4 jun à 17 h 55
        #14
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        Quoting: IconicHawk
        Non of your trades will happen


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