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Lindholm for 9OA is there a deal to be made

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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 5
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Lindholm is a bonafide top pair Dman but is he someone the Nucks would pay big for? Curious to see what others think and how this deal could be valued by each side
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 10
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If I’m anaheim i need more.
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 32
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Quoting: Swedenheim
Lindholm is a bonafide top pair Dman but is he someone the Nucks would pay big for? Curious to see what others think and how this deal could be valued by each side


Really good comment

Hm.

With the desperation in Vancouver maybe happens?
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 43
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I like Lindholm a lot but another LHD for 9th doesn't address needs.
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 47
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I like the player and their cap hit, however with only one year left before UFA I don't think this makes a lot of sense.
I think VAN would be better off to target a RD preferably a little bit younger and who has more years of team control.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
If I’m anaheim i need more.

I can certainly see that being a scenario, but Lindholm has been injured so who knows, I think at maximum it wouldn’t be a large add
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 48
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Unless ANA knows something about Linholm that we don't, why would they trade away a bona-fide top pair dman for the attempt of a top pair dman? Did he ask to be traded?
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3 juin 2021 à 22 h 50
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What on earth is going on here

All the comments on this thread are sound, measured and mostly free of vitriol it's like this post (*evangelical preacher voice*) HEALED cap friendly in one go

Taylor Hallelujah! 💒
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Unless ANA knows something about Linholm that we don't, why would they trade away a bona-fide top pair dman for the attempt of a top pair dman? Did he ask to be traded?


no but if you think about it they are rebuilding and will want as many top picks as possible. I see the ducks rebuild being a slow one as many of the vets will most likely retire and it will take a few years for the young guns to become bonified stars.

but if they want to move the #9OA why not take home boy Rielly wink
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I like the player and their cap hit, however with only one year left before UFA I don't think this makes a lot of sense.
I think VAN would be better off to target a RD preferably a little bit younger and who has more years of team control.

Theoretically Lindholm says he will sign a reasonable extension, does that make you cough up the pick and maybe more, Lindholm is certainly not young but he also certainly isn’t old and has a number of good years left in him
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Unless ANA knows something about Linholm that we don't, why would they trade away a bona-fide top pair dman for the attempt of a top pair dman? Did he ask to be traded?
nothing like a trade request, but he is a valuable piece that may not want to resign with the team given its current affairs. Also stuff like while he isn’t old he may not necessarily be in the right age window for the new core.
Basically this is all hypothetical
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As great a player as Lindholm is, that seems a bit risky from the Canucks perspective. He's only got the one year left and they're not a lock for the playoffs. Could easily result in a one and done with no results to show for it.
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3 juin 2021 à 23 h 2
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nothing like a trade request, but he is a valuable piece that may not want to resign with the team given its current affairs. Also stuff like while he isn’t old he may not necessarily be in the right age window for the new core.
Basically this is all hypothetical


Just on the topic of trade requests, what ever came of the reports that Troy Terry wanted a change of scenery? It kind of came out of nowhere and I never heard much follow up. Do you know what the situation is there/whether the Ducks might be willing to move him?
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Unless ANA knows something about Linholm that we don't, why would they trade away a bona-fide top pair dman for the attempt of a top pair dman? Did he ask to be traded?


Because he's only got one year left on his contract. The assumption is that he doesn't indicate a desire to re-sign here.
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If I’m anaheim i need more.


I respectfully disagree. there's a difference between Kapanen for a mid-first and a good prospect and the ninth overall selection. I'd be thrilled with the pick alone.
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I respectfully disagree. there's a difference between Kapanen for a mid-first and a good prospect and the ninth overall selection. I'd be thrilled with the pick alone.


Kapanen and lindholm don’t belong in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence.
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I like Lindholm a lot but another LHD for 9th doesn't address needs.

You don't think that your chances of re-signing Lindholm are better than your chances of re-signing Edler, and your results wouldn't be better if you do?
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Kapanen and lindholm don’t belong in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence.

Wow. What an amazingly narrow perspective.
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Just on the topic of trade requests, what ever came of the reports that Troy Terry wanted a change of scenery? It kind of came out of nowhere and I never heard much follow up. Do you know what the situation is there/whether the Ducks might be willing to move him?

I don’t think Terry requested a trade I thought the rumor was ANA may have been shopping him
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Theoretically Lindholm says he will sign a reasonable extension, does that make you cough up the pick and maybe more, Lindholm is certainly not young but he also certainly isn’t old and has a number of good years left in him


It would be more appealing. I definitely think Lindholm is worth a first plus, however if VAN is going to trade their first I am not sure Lindholm is the best fit for the team. The team needs D improvements but would prefer right side upgrades.

Concerns fit wise for VAN from my perspective would be:

VAN is still likely 3-4 years away from contending which would be pushing Lindholm into his 30's and likely into a state of decline.
VAN is high on Jack Rathbone becoming a solid top 4 LD in the very near future. With Hughes also playing the left side, VAN hopes to be set in this position for years to come.
VAN traded away their 1&2 round picks last year and don't appear to have a lot of future players coming in on ECL's. If they trade away top picks for players without some form of team control on team friendly deals, they could continue to have cap issues long term.
Greater need for improvement on the right side.

All that being said JB tried hard to acquire OEL last year, a desperation move in my opinion, and he is likely going to be even more desperate to improve the team this year, so I could definitely see him having interest, I would think VAN would probably have to add prospect though.
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Wow. What an amazingly narrow perspective.


Or just kind of obvious. One is a legit top pair d man, and the other is a third liner on a good team.
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I don’t think Terry requested a trade I thought the rumor was ANA may have been shopping him


Maybe not an official trade request, but the quote from Friedman is as follows:

"One young player who might be up for a change of scenery is Troy Terry in Anaheim. I’m starting to hear some conversation about him and whether or not he might go somewhere else to get a change from the Ducks"

Could be interpreted in different ways, I suppose, but it definitely sounds like there was something there.

@OldNYIfan Do you have any insight or opinions on the matter?
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Quoting: Reason
It would be more appealing. I definitely think Lindholm is worth a first plus, however if VAN is going to trade their first I am not sure Lindholm is the best fit for the team. The team needs D improvements but would prefer right side upgrades.

Concerns fit wise for VAN from my perspective would be:

VAN is still likely 3-4 years away from contending which would be pushing Lindholm into his 30's and likely into a state of decline.
VAN is high on Jack Rathbone becoming a solid top 4 LD in the very near future. With Hughes also playing the left side, VAN hopes to be set in this position for years to come.
VAN traded away their 1&2 round picks last year and don't appear to have a lot of future players coming in on ECL's. If they trade away top picks for players without some form of team control on team friendly deals, they could continue to have cap issues long term.
Greater need for improvement on the right side.

All that being said JB tried hard to acquire OEL last year, a desperation move in my opinion, and he is likely going to be even more desperate to improve the team this year, so I could definitely see him having interest, I would think VAN would probably have to add prospect though.

Thank you for the insight and perspective, although I think I’d like challenge you on your position that they are 3-4 years from contention, I follow the Canucks somewhat closely as they are one of my favorite teams and I honestly think that with some smart decisions they could be only 1-2 years away from being a threat. They have plenty of forwards that in 2 years will be effective top 6 players. Petterson Miller Hoglander Podkolzin Boeser Horvat. And A number of D that can be effective in 2 years. Hughes Rathbone Schmidt and if Hamonic and Myers can play like top 4 Dmen just don’t always do. They also have a solid goalie in Demko. I think a presence like Lindholm would catapult them to a somewhat guaranteed playoff position next year given the division. Basically to surmise the Canucks are lucky in the fact that their issues have really nothing to do with their young core. It’s just getting a bit of luck and fixing up their bottom 6 and improving their D a bit that needs to be worked out. I think this would cover the latter. And worst case scenario you could have a left side on defense that guarantees a solid Dman is on the ice at any given moment similar to Tampa’s model.
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You don't think that your chances of re-signing Lindholm are better than your chances of re-signing Edler, and your results wouldn't be better if you do?

So needs are RHD & 3C but go out & trade a big asset for a LHD? Hughes Rathbone OJ & UFA Edler who wants to play here.

Has nothing to do with signing either.
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Thank you for the insight and perspective, although I think I’d like challenge you on your position that they are 3-4 years from contention, I follow the Canucks somewhat closely as they are one of my favorite teams and I honestly think that with some smart decisions they could be only 1-2 years away from being a threat. They have plenty of forwards that in 2 years will be effective top 6 players. Petterson Miller Hoglander Podkolzin Boeser Horvat. And A number of D that can be effective in 2 years. Hughes Rathbone Schmidt and if Hamonic and Myers can play like top 4 Dmen just don’t always do. They also have a solid goalie in Demko. I think a presence like Lindholm would catapult them to a somewhat guaranteed playoff position next year given the division. Basically to surmise the Canucks are lucky in the fact that their issues have really nothing to do with their young core. It’s just getting a bit of luck and fixing up their bottom 6 and improving their D a bit that needs to be worked out. I think this would cover the latter. And worst case scenario you could have a left side on defense that guarantees a solid Dman is on the ice at any given moment similar to Tampa’s model.


It's definitely a possibility and I sure hope you are correct! I do like their core, I just have no faith in JB!
I do think they will be a playoff team possibly next year, more likely the year after, but I think they are 3-4 years away from competing with the likes of the AV's, TB, CAR etc.
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