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Yzerplan - Give me your thoughts Red Wing fans

Créé par: GirouxFanclub
Date de création initiale: 3 juin 2021
Publié: 3 juin 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Cholowski, Dennis1913 000 $
Vrána, Jakub67 000 000 $
Hronek, Filip74 350 000 $
Lindström, Gustav21 000 000 $
Rasmussen, Michael21 350 000 $
Bertuzzi, Tyler34 000 000 $
Erne, Adam22 500 000 $
Smith, Givani2850 000 $
Svechnikov, Evgeny1900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Granlund, Mikael34 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
    *EXPANSION DRAFT*
    Pay Seattle a little to take Panik
    SEA
    1. Pánik, Richard
    2. 2021 6e round pick (DET)
    3. 2022 4e round pick (DET)
    2.
    DET
    1. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
    2. Jarry, Tristan
    3. 2021 2e round pick (PIT)
    4. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
    Détails additionnels:
    *DRAFT DAY TRADE*
    Trade Bertuzzi to any team willing to pay the price to get him
    PIT
    1. Bertuzzi, Tyler
    Détails additionnels:
    Pittsburgh gets a great middle 6 winger to help try to win one more cup in the Crosby, Malkin, Letang era
    3.
    DET
    1. 2022 7e round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. DeKeyser, Danny (2 500 000 $ retained)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Danny DeKeyser: 2 500 000 $ (50%)
    • Nick Leddy: 2 750 000 $ (50%)
    • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
    • Vladislav Namestnikov: 1 000 000 $ (50%)
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $60 908 556 $0 $2 231 250 $20 591 444 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Vrána, Jakub
    7 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 3
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    Larkin, Dylan
    6 100 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
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    Zadina, Filip
    894 167 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
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    Fabbri, Robby
    2 950 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
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    Veleno, Joseph
    894 167 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    Granlund, Mikael
    4 500 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 4
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    Svechnikov, Evgeny
    900 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
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    Rasmussen, Michael
    1 350 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 3
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    Erne, Adam
    2 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
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    Smith, Givani
    850 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
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    Nielsen, Frans
    5 250 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
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    Namestnikov, Vladislav
    1 000 000 $
    AD, AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
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    Hronek, Filip
    4 350 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
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    Greiss, Thomas
    3 600 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
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    Stecher, Troy
    1 700 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
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    Seider, Moritz
    863 333 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
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    Jarry, Tristan
    3 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
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    Cholowski, Dennis
    913 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
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    Lindström, Gustav
    1 000 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2

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    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 10
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    I don't think Pittsburgh is the team for Bertuzzi for that kind of package. As much as Jarry didn't hold up in playoffs, they're thin in net behind him. To me it's more of a goalie coach issue now in Pittsburgh and they can't afford to move him without someone coming back since they already moved Murray.
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    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 11
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    Selling low on Bertuzzi there in terms of quality
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    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 11
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    I don't think Pittsburgh is the team for Bertuzzi for that kind of package. As much as Jarry didn't hold up in playoffs, they're thin in net behind him. To me it's more of a goalie coach issue now in Pittsburgh and they can't afford to move him without someone coming back since they already moved Murray.


    If Jarry were to be traded they would sign a UFA goalie
    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 14
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    If Jarry were to be traded they would sign a UFA goalie


    Just like that huh
    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 14
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    If Jarry were to be traded they would sign a UFA goalie


    That's a lot of moving parts though. & there's not really a free agent goalie that's better than Jarry this off-season. Think they'd decline it and keep Jarry.
    3 juin 2021 à 15 h 27
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    This doesn't work for Detroit.

    Detroit have no need to trade for a goalie. Bernier has gone public with wanting to stay and can be resigned without having to give up anything in trade.
    Neither does trading for a LD prospect make any sense, Detroit already have 4 of them under contract (Johansson, Viro, McIsaac, Sebrango) and Wallinder and Kotkansalo unsigned. Joseph may become a good defender someday but right now he's not what Detroit needs. Detroit needs one or two good veteran LD that can hold the fort until their prospects are ready and those are available in FA this year.
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    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 7
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    I can't see Pittsburgh making this offer and I can't see Detroit accepting it.

    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    I don't think Pittsburgh is the team for Bertuzzi for that kind of package. As much as Jarry didn't hold up in playoffs, they're thin in net behind him. To me it's more of a goalie coach issue now in Pittsburgh and they can't afford to move him without someone coming back since they already moved Murray.


    I agree Bertuzzi isn't what Pittsburgh needs they really don't need more grit. Their #1C and #2C can add all the grit Pittsburgh needs. Plus there is a rebuild coming and with Burke pretty much running the show he isn't going to trade away pick on players that don't fit. Why did Pittsburgh bring in Burke?
    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 10
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    Quoting: aedoran
    I can't see Pittsburgh making this offer and I can't see Detroit accepting it.



    I agree Bertuzzi isn't what Pittsburgh needs they really don't need more grit. Their #1C and #2C can add all the grit Pittsburgh needs. Plus there is a rebuild coming and with Burke pretty much running the show he isn't going to trade away pick on players that don't fit. Why did Pittsburgh bring in Burke?


    Pittsburgh isn't rebuilding as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are there. Management has already come out and said they're going to build around the core and try to win as much as possible. Picks are always on the table with Burkie.
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    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 14
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    I don’t see Vrana getting that term or dollar from Yzerman. He hasn’t proven he can be a 7M player yet. That’s selling low on Bert especially if he will sign a 3 year x 4M contract. We signed 2 UFA goalies recently that’ve played better than Jarry. POJ is an okay prospect but we have a bunch of okay LD prospects. 2 seconds is well 2 mid to late seconds.
    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 24
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Pittsburgh isn't rebuilding as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are there. Management has already come out and said they're going to build around the core and try to win as much as possible. Picks are always on the table with Burkie.


    That's part of it. There are going to be tough decisions to be made and Burke is the guy to make those decisions and if Pittsburgh fans don't agree with one of decisions Burke is the bad guy. So yeah Burke will trade picks for the right player but the rebuild is his priority and he's not going to out and throw picks at a player who might be able to help.
    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 28
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    Quoting: aedoran
    That's part of it. There are going to be tough decisions to be made and Burke is the guy to make those decisions and if Pittsburgh fans don't agree with one of decisions Burke is the bad guy. So yeah Burke will trade picks for the right player but the rebuild is his priority and he's not going to out and throw picks at a player who might be able to help.


    so you're going to discredit the exact words that Hextall said, that they're committed to winning with this core, and still think they're going to rebuild? And Burke is on record saying multiple times that he's not a patient guy, he doesn't like rebuilds. Why do you think when he was hired to "rebuild" Toronto, he traded multiple 1st round picks and a 2nd for Kessel?

    Sorry, Penguins are not rebuilding any time soon.
    3 juin 2021 à 16 h 29
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    I definitely wouldn't go higher than 6 mil on Vrana. I'd honestly consider trading Bertuzzi in the next year or so but I don't think that's the right package.
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    3 juin 2021 à 17 h 43
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    so you're going to discredit the exact words that Hextall said, that they're committed to winning with this core, and still think they're going to rebuild? And Burke is on record saying multiple times that he's not a patient guy, he doesn't like rebuilds. Why do you think when he was hired to "rebuild" Toronto, he traded multiple 1st round picks and a 2nd for Kessel?

    Sorry, Penguins are not rebuilding any time soon.


    That's funny!
    3 juin 2021 à 17 h 46
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    You'll need to add a second or so if you're trying to dump DeKeyser's salary, but it won't be to Winnipeg.
    3 juin 2021 à 17 h 52
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    So my over-riding thought is that you're coming from a different angle than Yzerman (seemingly) and the fanbase want to go. Fundamentally Detroit's pipeline is deep, but is missing that high end franchise talent.
    Their needs are therefore high end talent. If you look at their drafting last year you can kinda see this. Their depth picks are high risk, high reward. As such, the main need is time, either for a draft lottery win for Wright, Lambert, Bedard, Michkov etc, or for an already drafted player to emerge.
    While waiting for time, you're not really going after big ticket UFAs, so there will be some dead cap, might as well get assets for taking on bad contracts, no reason to give up assets to get rid of bad contracts. Furthermore, this affords Yzerman the ability to be patient with roster moves, the Bertuzzi trade may be ok value wise, maybe a little low, but doesn't make sense for Detroit, if im trading with Pittsburgh, I want a 1st in 22 or 23, because they could easily fall off, be a lottery team, and the asset could become an elite talent.
    4 juin 2021 à 10 h 33
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    Granlund deal doesnt make sense. Let Fabbri, Ras and Veleno battle out for the 2/3C and I would rather see Berggren or Raymond in that winger role then Granlund if hes going to play on the wing for us. The Bertuzzi deal doesn't make sense with how well Bernier and Greiss played this year. The goal should be to resign Bernier. Also WSH gave us a 1st or a 2nd (depending on how you evaluate the Mantha- Vrana deal to take Panik. Seattle probably wants atleast a 2nd to take him.
     
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