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Stealing a Monahan trade and making it a 3-way

Créé par: Ledge_And_Dairy
Date de création initiale: 3 juin 2021
Publié: 3 juin 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Flames de Calgary
Explications
Yes Im over the cap a bit but its not a hard fix, send Mackey down for a while and bring up a 750k #7 dman.
This also assumes Seattle selects Kylington over Gio.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Gawdin, Glenn2750 000 $
Välimäki, Juuso1874 125 $
Mackey, Connor1874 125 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Stone, Michael1750 000 $
Ritchie, Brett1750 000 $
Domingue, Louis1750 000 $
Saad, Brandon44 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Schneider, Braden
  2. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
  3. 2021 4e round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. 2021 3e round pick (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Buffalo retains 2.8M of Monahan's contract for the remaining 2 seasons
2.
CGY
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Schneider, Braden
  2. Zary, Connor
  3. Dubé, Dillon [Droits de RFA]
  4. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
  5. 2021 1e round pick (CGY)
  6. 2022 2e round pick (FLA)
3.
CGY
    SEA
    1. Kylington, Oliver [Droits de RFA]
    Rachats de contrats
    • Troy Brouwer: 1 500 000 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    CGY
    CGY
    NYR
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    2022
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    TOR
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    2023
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    CGY
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $81 513 249 $0 $15 000 $-13 249 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    CGY
    Gaudreau, Johnny
    6 750 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    Saad, Brandon
    4 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    7 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    CGY
    Lindholm, Elias
    4 850 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
    CGY
    Mangiapane, Andrew
    2 425 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    CGY
    Pelletier, Jakob
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 3
    CGY
    Backlund, Mikael
    5 350 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    CGY
    Ruzicka, Adam
    801 666 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    CGY
    Lucic, Milan
    5 250 000 $
    AG
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    CGY
    Gawdin, Glenn
    750 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    CGY
    Ritchie, Brett
    750 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    CGY
    Hanifin, Noah
    4 950 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    CGY
    Andersson, Rasmus
    4 550 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 5
    CGY
    Markström, Jacob
    6 000 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    CGY
    Välimäki, Juuso
    874 125 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    CGY
    Tanev, Christopher
    4 500 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    CGY
    Domingue, Louis
    750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    CGY
    Giordano, Mark
    6 750 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    CGY
    Stone, Michael
    750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    CGY
    Froese, Byron
    725 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    CGY
    Mackey, Connor
    874 125 $
    DG
    RFA - 2

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    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 48
    #1
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    Monahan should not be worth 2 first lmao
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    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 50
    #2
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    Monahan should not be worth 2 first lmao


    Even at a cap hit of less than 3.6M? Not my original proposal, I just added the Eichel part
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    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 50
    #3
    OnALongPathTo1-1
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    Buffalo also would want more if they are paying 2.8m on monohans contract.
    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 50
    #4
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    Monahan should not be worth 2 first lmao


    He was playing injured for most of the season
    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 52
    #5
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    Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
    Buffalo also would want more if they are paying 2.8m on monohans contract.


    I upgraded the 4th to a 2nd. This package is well over your 4 1sts
    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 53
    #6
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Even at a cap hit of less than 3.6M? Not my original proposal, I just added the Eichel part


    I personally wouldn't do it. He's very overrated and has been complete trash defensively the past three years
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    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 55
    #7
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    I personally wouldn't do it. He's very overrated and has been complete trash defensively the past three years


    Hes one of the most underrated centers on this site, people go out of their way to make him seem like a 4th liner all the time. Also his defensive game has drastically improved. He's now a regular penalty killer under Sutter and Flames PK has been top 5 since he implemented his system.
    3 juin 2021 à 11 h 57
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Hes one of the most underrated centers on this site, people go out of their way to make him seem like a 4th liner all the time. Also his defensive game has drastically improved. He's now a regular penalty killer under Sutter and Flames PK has been top 5 since he implemented his system.


    His defensive game has gotten worse over time and his offensive game hasn't been good either since the 2018-19 season. He shouldn't be worth 2 first or even close to that imo
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    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 0
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    His defensive game has gotten worse over time and his offensive game hasn't been good either since the 2018-19 season. He shouldn't be worth 2 first or even close to that imo


    So you completely ignored what I said and just repeated yourself? Great you've stated your opinion now move along. Oilers fans are always biased in Flames threads anyways
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 4
    #10
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    So you completely ignored what I said and just repeated yourself? Great you've stated your opinion now move along. Oilers fans are always biased in Flames threads anyways


    I'm not even an Oilers fan lmao, and just because he gets PK time doesn't mean he's good defensively
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 10
    #11
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Hes one of the most underrated centers on this site, people go out of their way to make him seem like a 4th liner all the time. Also his defensive game has drastically improved. He's now a regular penalty killer under Sutter and Flames PK has been top 5 since he implemented his system.


    I think it's hard to justify giving up a top prospect and a first for a guy that's essentially Strome.
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    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 10
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    Quoting: GirouxFanclub
    I'm not even an Oilers fan lmao, and just because he gets PK time doesn't mean he's good defensively


    Your profile literally says "2nd Favourite Team: Edmonton Oilers" LMAO

    Playing PK usually means you are trusted defensively, Sutter has also been very complimentary on Monahan's defensive game in interviews too.
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 14
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Your profile literally says "2nd Favourite Team: Edmonton Oilers" LMAO

    Playing PK usually means you are trusted defensively, Sutter has also been very complimentary on Monahan's defensive game in interviews too.


    2nd favorite team. I like the Oilers but I'm not so into them where I hate the Flames. I like some Flames players like mangiapane (who's actually good defensively) I like Hanifin. Idc what Sutter says when I look at Monahan's RAPM charts or Jfresh's player cards he is trash defensively on all of them which tells me that he is trash defensively
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    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 16
    #14
    Potvin sucks
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    That’s a price for Tomas Hertl, not Sean Monahan.
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    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 21
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    Quoting: Josh
    I think it's hard to justify giving up a top prospect and a first for a guy that's essentially Strome.


    A healthy Monahan is better than Strome, 2 years ago when him and Gaudreau had their big years, after 60 games Gaudreau was pacing ~110 points like Panarin has the last 2 years. In that same span Monahan paced 92 points. Strome has paced 70 the last 2 years. I get your point though, they are similar players
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 29
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    That’s a price for Tomas Hertl, not Sean Monahan.


    Why would Hertl have more value than Monahan?
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 8
    #17
    Potvin sucks
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Why would Hertl have more value than Monahan?


    Stop calling @GirouxFanclub a biased troll if you seriously have to ask that question.
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    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 23
    #18
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    A healthy Monahan is better than Strome, 2 years ago when him and Gaudreau had their big years, after 60 games Gaudreau was pacing ~110 points like Panarin has the last 2 years. In that same span Monahan paced 92 points. Strome has paced 70 the last 2 years. I get your point though, they are similar players


    Rangers issue is they are easy to play against up the middle. Not sure adding Monahan over Strome accomplishes that. 2 down years also causes hesitation.

    But, Rangers have made some great trades for change of scenery guys, Brassard, Zibanejad, Strome
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    3 juin 2021 à 19 h 24
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    Stop calling @GirouxFanclub a biased troll if you seriously have to ask that question.


    Then answer the question, both are 60 point centers, not known for being strong at 2-way hockey. The difference is 1 is a pending UFA, and the other has term while also being retained on being retained on.

    Also I called him a troll because he stated his opinion, i explained how it wasn't entirely accurate, and instead of having a constructive conversation he just repeated himself and spammed the comment section.
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    3 juin 2021 à 19 h 40
    #20
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Then answer the question, both are 60 point centers, not known for being strong at 2-way hockey. Thw difference is 1 is a pending UFA and the other has term and is being retained on.

    Also I called him a troll because he stated his opinion, i explained how it wasn't entirely accurate, and instead of having a constructive conversation he just repeated himself and spammed the comment section.


    Monahan has gone two seasons in a row without being on pace for 60 points.
    Hertl is now coming off three straight seasons of a 60+ point pace.
    Hertl > Monahan. The only way Monahan gets you a bigger return is if he's traded now but Hertl is traded at the 2022 trade deadline as a rental for a team who can't extend him.

    And I don't really see any spamming. Your only argument for Sean Monahan being good at defence was that he played on the penalty kill for a top-5 PK in the NHL and he responded how that's meaningless. Just to give you more perspective, Jack Johnson also played on our PK.

    You seem to care more about ad hominem by bashing his fandom for liking the Oilers as opposed to explaining why your coaches are making the right decision by playing Monahan on the PK. You have 7 other skaters and a goaltender to help you get those sexy PK numbers. Ironically, you're also using the same tactics that your most loathsome Oilers fans used to explain why Leon Draisaitl deserved the Hart Trophy last year.

    Have a nice day.
    3 juin 2021 à 20 h 22
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Then answer the question, both are 60 point centers, not known for being strong at 2-way hockey. The difference is 1 is a pending UFA, and the other has term while also being retained on being retained on.

    Also I called him a troll because he stated his opinion, i explained how it wasn't entirely accurate, and instead of having a constructive conversation he just repeated himself and spammed the comment section.


    monahan is not good
    3 juin 2021 à 21 h 2
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    Monahan has gone two seasons in a row without being on pace for 60 points.
    Hertl is now coming off three straight seasons of a 60+ point pace.
    Hertl > Monahan. The only way Monahan gets you a bigger return is if he's traded now but Hertl is traded at the 2022 trade deadline as a rental for a team who can't extend him.

    And I don't really see any spamming. Your only argument for Sean Monahan being good at defence was that he played on the penalty kill for a top-5 PK in the NHL and he responded how that's meaningless. Just to give you more perspective, Jack Johnson also played on our PK.

    You seem to care more about ad hominem by bashing his fandom for liking the Oilers as opposed to explaining why your coaches are making the right decision by playing Monahan on the PK. You have 7 other skaters and a goaltender to help you get those sexy PK numbers. Ironically, you're also using the same tactics that your most loathsome Oilers fans used to explain why Leon Draisaitl deserved the Hart Trophy last year.

    Have a nice day.


    I did have a good response but it got deleted so ill paraphrase
    - Asking why Hertl has more value doesn't make me a homer, I wanted your genuine opinion
    - Monahan was injured for 70% of the season
    - You undervalue extra term and 45% retention
    - I specifically said Monahan's defensive game has drastically improved, mostly over the course of the season. I'm not nominating him for the Selke lol
    - The graphs the above poster is so keen on using only shows seasons as a whole, you can't justify improvement
    - Sutter has been very expressive with his opinion on Monahan's improved defensive game overall
    - Above poster was being very ignorant and closed minded about the whole thing, can you understand how frustrating that is?
    - As the title suggests I didn't make the Rangers trade, I wanted opinions on the Eichel trade not the one that's already been discussed and given positive opinions by other rangers fans
     
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