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Lines No Scheifele or Stastny

Créé par: Carterman13
Date de création initiale: jun 2, 2021
Publié: 2 jun à 23 h 09
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2 jun à 23 h 11
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Its crazy how they can lose Scheifele and Stastny and still be that deep at C
2 jun à 23 h 12
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Clean hit? Ma ass
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2 jun à 23 h 12
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Without those two for anything more than a game the series is over
2 jun à 23 h 12
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Quoting: moli92
Its crazy how they can lose Scheifele and Stastny and still be that deep at C


Not to mention Little LOL
2 jun à 23 h 19
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It was borderline dirty IMO. The biggest issue was how far he skated. But he let up, he was gliding. Evans shoulder checked and saw him coming. He had to be ready for that hit. Scheifele didn’t even skate through him or leave his feet and it was shoulder contact. I think it was right on the line between dirty and clean. I’m assuming it’ll be 1 game. So I mean, I get it. But I also would get why they’d not suspend him.
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2 jun à 23 h 24
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Quoting: Wreckless
Bias is a powerful thing, eh?


No listen, I can admit like I said that it’s right ion the line. The biggest issue is how far he travelled. Which is a lot. I said I could see them suspending him. There’s no bias here, just how I see it.
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2 jun à 23 h 35
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Quoting: tsyls
No listen, I can admit like I said that it’s right ion the line. The biggest issue is how far he travelled. Which is a lot. I said I could see them suspending him. There’s no bias here, just how I see it.


If a hit like that on a totally defenseless player is right on the line, then I want nothing to do with this sport. I’ll have my kids watch something safer, like NFL football, or MMA.
2 jun à 23 h 46
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Quoting: tsyls
It was borderline dirty IMO. The biggest issue was how far he skated. But he let up, he was gliding. Evans shoulder checked and saw him coming. He had to be ready for that hit. Scheifele didn’t even skate through him or leave his feet and it was shoulder contact. I think it was right on the line between dirty and clean. I’m assuming it’ll be 1 game. So I mean, I get it. But I also would get why they’d not suspend him.


There's no way you should go in all alone from center ice, going around the net, and not expect the other team to be coming back. He should have had his head up coming around the net.
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3 jun à 9 h 21
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Quoting: Nylander88
There's no way you should go in all alone from center ice, going around the net, and not expect the other team to be coming back. He should have had his head up coming around the net.


This too. He shoulder checked and knew he had guys coming. He has to be ready for that hit. It was borderline dirty, I’m fine with 1 game or Max fine.
3 jun à 9 h 22
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Quoting: Wreckless
If a hit like that on a totally defenseless player is right on the line, then I want nothing to do with this sport. I’ll have my kids watch something safer, like NFL football, or MMA.


Dude he literally shoulder checked and saw scheifele coming. There’s 0 reason not to be ready for the hit. Like I said it’s borderline dirty. I’m fine with 1 game or Max fine. You have to also consider this is the playoffs and they value 1 playoff game as 3 regular season games. There’s no way he gets more than 1 game as a first time offender.
3 jun à 9 h 24
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Quoting: tsyls
Dude he literally shoulder checked and saw scheifele coming. There’s 0 reason not to be ready for the hit. Like I said it’s borderline dirty. I’m fine with 1 game or Max fine. You have to also consider this is the playoffs and they value 1 playoff game as 3 regular season games. There’s no way he gets more than 1 game as a first time offender.


You know how you know when you’re on the wrong side of history?

When you’re on the same side as Sean Avery and Mike Commodore.
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3 jun à 9 h 30
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Quoting: Wreckless
You know how you know when you’re on the wrong side of history?

When you’re on the same side as Sean Avery and Mike Commodore.


I could care less what they think. I’m basing it off of what I saw, and the history of charging suspensions. Which are limited to only charging the goalie, besides Byron, in which it wasn’t even really the charge that was bad. He plastered Weegars head against the boards with a high hit.

Scheifele let up on the hit, was gliding long before impact, and Evans saw him coming and should’ve braced for the hit. You never let the outcome of a play influence the decision on the actual hit.

I know we have different opinions, so we can agree to disagree. Like I said though I do expect a 1 game suspension.
3 jun à 10 h 22
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Quoting: Wreckless
You know how you know when you’re on the wrong side of history?

When you’re on the same side as Sean Avery and Mike Commodore.


Also it’s not my fault you don’t like commodore as a person. His take on the hit was actually really well thought out and articulated. It makes a lot of sense.
3 jun à 12 h 17
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Quoting: tsyls
It was borderline dirty IMO. The biggest issue was how far he skated. But he let up, he was gliding. Evans shoulder checked and saw him coming. He had to be ready for that hit. Scheifele didn’t even skate through him or leave his feet and it was shoulder contact. I think it was right on the line between dirty and clean. I’m assuming it’ll be 1 game. So I mean, I get it. But I also would get why they’d not suspend him.

To be fair he's gliding to time his hit, if he isn't gliding and keep pushing he meets Evans behind the net. No EN goal means y'all still in the game and maybe you score, that's a selfish play because he was a mad **** that his night didn't go as planned. Not a usual dirty player like Kadri but claiming that's a clean hit like OP suggest is a disgusting bias.
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3 jun à 12 h 36
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Quoting: ColonelX
To be fair he's gliding to time his hit, if he isn't gliding and keep pushing he meets Evans behind the net. No EN goal means y'all still in the game and maybe you score, that's a selfish play because he was a mad **** that his night didn't go as planned. Not a usual dirty player like Kadri but claiming that's a clean hit like OP suggest is a disgusting bias.


The issue with him continuing to skate instead of gliding is that he was already committed to taking the body. He knew he had back support from pionk, and taking the man from the puck was the best play he could’ve made. If he’s already committed to the hit, but continues to skate and then meets Evans behind the net, the charge is 10x as worse as he’d still be skating and would’ve skated through Evans and not let up. He did what he could to make this as clean as it could be. I don’t get what else people wanted him to do, just give up on the play and let him score anyways? Go full sprint and make the charge worse?

Evans was clearing the back of the net regardless of how fast scheifele was going, he was not going to make it in time to make a proper stick check, so body was his only choice.

Evans has a responsibility within himself to actually take a look before going to wrap around. You have to be aware of your surroundings at all times.

Like I said this is a borderline hit. It’s right on the edge. If you watch the clip in slow motion, you’ll actually see that scheifele stops skating at the circles, when he makes contact it’s shoulder to chest, his elbows are in and his feet are on the ground. The hit is clean. What makes it questionable is the speed and the length of distance he travelled.
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Quoting: ColonelX
To be fair he's gliding to time his hit, if he isn't gliding and keep pushing he meets Evans behind the net. No EN goal means y'all still in the game and maybe you score, that's a selfish play because he was a mad **** that his night didn't go as planned. Not a usual dirty player like Kadri but claiming that's a clean hit like OP suggest is a disgusting bias.




What about this looks dirty?

Sorry the picture won’t show, but there’s a picture that literally just shows scheifele making clean contact.
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3 jun à 13 h 57
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Quoting: tsyls
I don’t get what else people wanted him to do

Play hockey and stop the other from scoring which he (even with his check) was unable to do? Contact's a little high (Not saying dirty contact but his nameplate is at face level) because Evans' low but like any other hit it's not Evans fault if he's low, it's Scheffer's fault to keep going in on a low player.
I remember years ago when it was the players fault if they were facing the board and therefore when being hit by behind and licking the board it was on them ... good ol' days. Since, many leagues have added that if a player's in a defenceless position you should avoid any contact, that's on Scheffys end to not being able to recognize what's going on. On top of that the way he acted on the back end of the game I mean ... He was just looking to hurt someone after trying to hit Chiarot on the ice and fight Danault, something in his brain uncharacteristic from him happened in this game.
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3 jun à 22 h 08
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Quoting: tsyls
Dude he literally shoulder checked and saw scheifele coming. There’s 0 reason not to be ready for the hit. Like I said it’s borderline dirty. I’m fine with 1 game or Max fine. You have to also consider this is the playoffs and they value 1 playoff game as 3 regular season games. There’s no way he gets more than 1 game as a first time offender.


Needless to say, this was a pretty poor prediction. Stemming from a pretty poor analysis of what happened.
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3 jun à 23 h 19
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Quoting: Wreckless
Needless to say, this was a pretty poor prediction. Stemming from a pretty poor analysis of what happened.


Alright Habs fan, go gloat some more.

After watching the NHL DOPS breakdown. I understand why it’s a suspendable offence. But I don’t agree with 4 games. 1 game, 2 at most. But 4? That’s equivalent to 12 regular season games. I’m sorry but that’s not a 12 game suspension.
3 jun à 23 h 24
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Quoting: tsyls
Alright Habs fan, go gloat some more.

After watching the NHL DOPS breakdown. I understand why it’s a suspendable offence. But I don’t agree with 4 games. 1 game, 2 at most. But 4? That’s equivalent to 12 regular season games. I’m sorry but that’s not a 12 game suspension.


I am by no means gloating or happy with a 4 game suspension, I’m still disgusted that the hit happened in the first place. And I don’t agree with your 3x rule. In short, Evans is in concussion protocol, and can’t play for 7 days in the BEST CASE scenario. Because of games 3-4 back to back, that’s 4 games minimum Evans can’t play. I still think Scheifele is lucky it’s not more.
3 jun à 23 h 30
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Quoting: Wreckless
I am by no means gloating or happy with a 4 game suspension, I’m still disgusted that the hit happened in the first place. And I don’t agree with your 3x rule. In short, Evans is in concussion protocol, and can’t play for 7 days in the BEST CASE scenario. Because of games 3-4 back to back, that’s 4 games minimum Evans can’t play. I still think Scheifele is lucky it’s not more.


They don’t base suspensions off of length of injuries. Once again I said I agree with it being suspendable but 4 games is wild. I’m not saying it’s my 3x rule, but that’s how the DOPS views playoff games, it’s widely reported.

The hit wasn’t that bad, it was the fact that he made no effort to even play the puck. He committed to the hit at the circles, made no attempt at the puck and took the body. Unnecessary. I go back on a lot of what I said before after watching the DOPS breakdown. They explained it very well, I think a suspension is just, not 4 games. 1 is right, 2 at most. But we can agree to disagree.
4 jun à 7 h 31
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Quoting: tsyls
They don’t base suspensions off of length of injuries. Once again I said I agree with it being suspendable but 4 games is wild. I’m not saying it’s my 3x rule, but that’s how the DOPS views playoff games, it’s widely reported.

The hit wasn’t that bad, it was the fact that he made no effort to even play the puck. He committed to the hit at the circles, made no attempt at the puck and took the body. Unnecessary. I go back on a lot of what I said before after watching the DOPS breakdown. They explained it very well, I think a suspension is just, not 4 games. 1 is right, 2 at most. But we can agree to disagree.


They don’t base the suspension entirely off the length of injuries, but it is one factor that is, in fact, considered. I agree, the DOPS breakdown is very well explained. Re: comparison, the hit is significantly worse than any other charging hit in NHL history (Byron and Ovechkin the two main ones) because of the speed and thus the violence and results that ensued thereafter. If it was a hockey play, one could have made the case for accidental injury, but as you acknowledge, he made no attempt on the puck or stick.

All Scheifele has to do now is speak to Evans and the media, accept responsibility for his actions, and show full remorse. Given that he has zero history of being a dirty player, I am hopeful that he can regain his reputation by doing exactly that.
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Quoting: Wreckless
They don’t base the suspension entirely off the length of injuries, but it is one factor that is, in fact, considered. I agree, the DOPS breakdown is very well explained. Re: comparison, the hit is significantly worse than any other charging hit in NHL history (Byron and Ovechkin the two main ones) because of the speed and thus the violence and results that ensued thereafter. If it was a hockey play, one could have made the case for accidental injury, but as you acknowledge, he made no attempt on the puck or stick.

All Scheifele has to do now is speak to Evans and the media, accept responsibility for his actions, and show full remorse. Given that he has zero history of being a dirty player, I am hopeful that he can regain his reputation by doing exactly that.


I don’t even think his reputation is tarnished at all. If anyone is holding that hit against him they’re a bit dramatic. I’m sure he’ll speak to media and Evans at some point.

I know that they do factor injuries into the equation. But I think it’s more so about what the injury was and not the length.

All in all, an unnecessary hit that likely won’t happen again due to the precedent set by the DOPS.
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