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Équipe: 2021-22 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 29 mai 2021
Publié: 29 mai 2021
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  1. Jensen, Nick
  2. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
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Guerin and Evason have made it clear through trades and roster adjustments that they want players who give effort consistently and are willing to play well in both zones of the ice and that's not really Kuznetsov. Basically I'm not convinced Kuznetsov is the type of player Guerin is looking for, but there is no denying the fact that he would easily become our most skilled center. Jensen is included for cap purposes, plus he's "oNe Of Us".
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  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Rask, Victor
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Dumba is a great player for the most part but he is prone to some boneheaded mistakes. Ultimately I think he's a very good 2nd pairing guy, but at this point of his career it's far-fetched to believe he can repeat his season(s) prior to his torn pec in 18-19. He'd be a great addition to the Caps blue line behind Carlson. Rask is included for cap purposes.
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29 mai 2021 à 13 h 44
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Washington should accept. Rask can still produce, and they lose some of Kuznetsov's baggage. Add a pick if they're extra salty.
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29 mai 2021 à 13 h 46
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Washington should accept. Rask can still produce, and they lose some of Kuznetsov's baggage. Add a pick if they're extra salty.


That's how I felt, if either team adds it's probably the Wild but not much. I still don't love the idea of having Kuznetsov, but we need a center so desperately and there seems to be a good fit between us and the Caps in terms of trade partners.
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29 mai 2021 à 13 h 55
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Washington should accept. Rask can still produce, and they lose some of Kuznetsov's baggage. Add a pick if they're extra salty.


This is an interesting comment, that I agree with, and most Wild fans would probably disagree with. Rask IS still productive as a middle 6 and has less baggage than Kuzy.

There’s no denying Kuzy is the better player but you’ve gotta think twice about his off ice antics.
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29 mai 2021 à 13 h 57
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@TanSor, I think we need to start thinking of Rossi as the 2/3C. I know he’s coming off his COVID layoff, but there is very little reason to think he puts up less than 40 pts.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 0
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Kuznetsov is iffy one IMO.
Wild might be desperate enough for 1 or 2 C to do it.

With Schultz still there, not sure Caps do this.
They need FW help more than a D
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 2
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This is an interesting comment, that I agree with, and most Wild fans would probably disagree with. Rask IS still productive as a middle 6 and has less baggage than Kuzy.

There’s no denying Kuzy is the better player but you’ve gotta think twice about his off ice antics.


The Wild seem to be one of the cleanest teams off the ice. Kuzy might ruin that reputation, but will improve the team. I thought the Wild would have been in on Dubois, but that never happened.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 4
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This is an interesting comment, that I agree with, and most Wild fans would probably disagree with. Rask IS still productive as a middle 6 and has less baggage than Kuzy.

There’s no denying Kuzy is the better player but you’ve gotta think twice about his off ice antics.


It would really worry me if we did acquire him. Seems like he's lost motivation since winning the cup.

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TanSor, I think we need to start thinking of Rossi as the 2/3C. I know he’s coming off his COVID layoff, but there is very little reason to think he puts up less than 40 pts.


I think we'll see him at some point but he hasn't played hockey for an entire year so starting him off in the NHL is risky. I'd give him big minutes in Iowa and if he proves he's ready then bring him up.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 5
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The Wild seem to be one of the cleanest teams off the ice. Kuzy might ruin that reputation, but will improve the team. I thought the Wild would have been in on Dubois, but that never happened.


I just don't think we had the assets (or were willing to give up the assets) to get a Dubois trade done. The Jets gave up Laine, so we probably would have had to trade Kaprizov or maybe Fiala to get him.
29 mai 2021 à 14 h 8
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What about adding RNH and moving Dumba for someone else?
Or overpay Krejci for 1 or 2 years??
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 10
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I just don't think we had the assets (or were willing to give up the assets) to get a Dubois trade done. The Jets gave up Laine, so we probably would have had to trade Kaprizov or maybe Fiala to get him.


I mean 1 of ur 1st round picks and Rossi should do it, idk whether you would want that though.
29 mai 2021 à 14 h 11
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What about adding RNH and moving Dumba for someone else?
Or overpay Krejci for 1 or 2 years??


RNH is gonna get a Couture type contract. I'd go for Danault
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What about adding RNH and moving Dumba for someone else?
Or overpay Krejci for 1 or 2 years??


RNH concerns me since I don't think he's worth his cap hit now and he will probably get a $7-8M AAV contract wherever he signs. He'd be a definite upgrade, but if the cap truly does stay flat the next 5 years as Friedman predicts then that is a lot to stomach with out current contracts.
29 mai 2021 à 14 h 12
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RNH concerns me since I don't think he's worth his cap hit now and he will probably get a $7-8M AAV contract wherever he signs. He'd be a definite upgrade, but if the cap truly does stay flat the next 5 years as Friedman predicts then that is a lot to stomach with out current contracts.


Offer sheet Petterrsson
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I mean 1 of ur 1st round picks and Rossi should do it, idk whether you would want that though.


I don't know if it would have. Laine is a proven 40 goal scorer while Rossi is a huge question mark, especially after being diagnosed with myocarditis from COVID, even if he is talented.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 15
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Offer sheet Petterrsson


I dont consent to that
29 mai 2021 à 14 h 24
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RNH is gonna get a Couture type contract. I'd go for Danault


Agree that RNH probably isn't a fit, since he's going to be expensive and really is better at wing. Danault is a very reasonable thought, but I really want to get a finisher on that Zucc/Kap line. Danault is a heck of a player, but he's not a pure goal scorer. Whoever centers that line is going to get a lot of great opportunities, and the Wild will need them to finish.

Kuzy has a lot of question marks, but he is very offensively talented and if he were motivated and emotionally invested, he could be a heck of a player with Kaprizov.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 29
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It would really worry me if we did acquire him. Seems like he's lost motivation since winning the cup.



I think we'll see him at some point but he hasn't played hockey for an entire year so starting him off in the NHL is risky. I'd give him big minutes in Iowa and if he proves he's ready then bring him up.


I agree here. I just know that Rossi has to hit early for there to be a real shot at a cup. I don’t want to go out and get somebody that blocks him for a short term boost. And yes, that means keeping Rask where he is. That’s the guy Rossi has to be better than.
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 36
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Really interesting trade!

Kuznetsov and Kaprizov together could be really entertaining
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29 mai 2021 à 14 h 56
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It would really worry me if we did acquire him. Seems like he's lost motivation since winning the cup.


It's true, he's only had two of his five 50 point seasons in the three years since then. And only 151 pts total, through 180 games. So sad.

Never mind that he was on a 58 pt pace this year. Almost doesn't count. 29 pts in 41 games is clearly a motivational issue.

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Washington should accept. Rask can still produce.... Add a pick if they're extra salty.


Yep. Rask has produced 45 points in the last three seasons. Total. Seven more and Caps fans might start confusing him with Nic Dowd.

Is that salty enough? What round do they get? smile
29 mai 2021 à 15 h 17
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It's true, he's only had two of his five 50 point seasons in the three years since then. And only 151 pts total, through 180 games. So sad.

Never mind that he was on a 58 pt pace this year. Almost doesn't count. 29 pts in 41 games is clearly a motivational issue.



Yep. Rask has produced 45 points in the last three seasons. Total. Seven more and Caps fans might start confusing him with Nic Dowd.

Is that salty enough? What round do they get? smile


When he has proven he can be a PPG player and is only on pace for 58 points, I'd call that a motivation issue, but to each their own.
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29 mai 2021 à 15 h 48
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It's true, he's only had two of his five 50 point seasons in the three years since then. And only 151 pts total, through 180 games. So sad.

Never mind that he was on a 58 pt pace this year. Almost doesn't count. 29 pts in 41 games is clearly a motivational issue.



Yep. Rask has produced 45 points in the last three seasons. Total. Seven more and Caps fans might start confusing him with Nic Dowd.

Is that salty enough? What round do they get? smile


What pick would you want to make this a fair trade in your opinion? Personally, with all the baggage you lose I think a 3rd would be generous
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29 mai 2021 à 16 h 20
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Agree that RNH probably isn't a fit, since he's going to be expensive and really is better at wing. Danault is a very reasonable thought, but I really want to get a finisher on that Zucc/Kap line. Danault is a heck of a player, but he's not a pure goal scorer. Whoever centers that line is going to get a lot of great opportunities, and the Wild will need them to finish.

Kuzy has a lot of question marks, but he is very offensively talented and if he were motivated and emotionally invested, he could be a heck of a player with Kaprizov.


Sean Monahan....

Half the cost, all the finish, none of the drama.
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29 mai 2021 à 16 h 24
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Sean Monahan....

Half the cost, all the finish, none of the drama.


I really like the idea of Monahan. He's a pure goal scorer. Wonder what his price tag would be?
29 mai 2021 à 16 h 47
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I really like the idea of Monahan. He's a pure goal scorer. Wonder what his price tag would be?


That's the thing, we already have a good grasp on where that might be.

Treleving offered up Monahan 1v1 for Dumba this past offseason and Guerin turned him down. At the time Russo said Guerin didn't seem interested, and I think it was the right call back then. It would of been selling low on Dumba.

Since then Monahan has had a down year, but that was mostly due to the fact he was playing injured this year, and just had hip surgery to get back to full health. Given his down stats the last couple of seasons and the fact he's just had surgery. His value will be even lower than what it was last year.

As far as where I likely see his current value, I would guess it would be similar to Zucker's. A cap dump, a good prospect with top-six/top-four potential, and a high round draft pick.

I would offer Rask, as the cap dump, Khovanov, and either one of our two 1st's this year or our 2022 2nd next year. Depending on whatever they prefer.
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29 mai 2021 à 18 h 0
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When he has proven he can be a PPG player and is only on pace for 58 points, I'd call that a motivation issue, but to each their own.


Maybe. I think this year he had his minutes cut and the coach had him focus on puck possession and it took him a while to adjust. In March and April he was on a 65 pt pace. That still isn't the 83 he's capable of, but he was also getting just 16:48 per night, compared to 18:48 in 2017-18. Even back then, Backstrom played 19:40 a night, so you still just have to wonder if Kuznetsov could get more points on a team that tried playing him at #1C.
 
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