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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 24 mai 2021
Publié: 24 mai 2021
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Remember this is an ideal situation.

Currently CBA talks have the cap being between $84M and $88.2M, so I did the mean between the two and settled on $86.1M. In any case this Oilers team will be under the cap, but it will mean a difference between $2.78M in cap and $6.79M. So if Laine doesn't agree to a $6.9M/year deal after a sublime season we can still sweeten the deal.

I also considered Hyman, but Bobby Ryan was a far cheaper option for a third-line winger. Because this is an ideal situation, I even considered Ovi to fill the L1 LW, but even in an ideal situation Washington and Ovi aren't parting. Besides, Laine is after-all significantly younger. Hall is also nice to dream about but he seems a too happy in Boston.

For goalies I considered Mrazek and Merzilinkis in that order. I'm honestly not concerned with the Smith-Koskinen duo (though I would be in a few years), but that's no reason to pass up on Ullmark, Mrazek, or some other young and hot Baltic goalie.

I do not care who Stalock or Koskinen get traded to I just needed them gone, though Brett Murray does intrigue me A LOT. Buffalo would be interested in goalie depth (especially if Ullmark leaves).

For the Laine trade Broberg or Holloway may be safer choices, but I know Columbus struggled in their center depth so I figured they'd be fine with two centers on the opposite ends of their career. Normally I wouldn't ask for a top 3 round pick in addition to Laine, but I know Holland would be caught dead before he entered a draft without a top 3 round pick.

Interesting note if the Laine trade happened: much of Gretzky's time in Edmonton consisted of being flanked by two Finnish wingers, and should Laine come to Edmonton that would be true for McDavid too. Also note Laine and Puljujarvi have a history together, playing on the same line for Finland and bonded well.

Right now is the best time to trade for Laine. His future is uncertain and Columbus seems to be in a rebuild phase. What makes Laine especially interesting for Columbus is that he said something no one has ever said: he LIKES playing Columbus (huh???)! I suppose if you grew up in Finland and played in Winnipeg then yeah I guess Columbus is a pretty good comparison. Most other star players have a taste of living in pretty markets -- even Edmonton has a massive river valley that is far greener and larger than Central Park and they have the second largest indoor mall in the world. Anyways that's why this time right now is the best to trade for Laine before he and the Blue Jackets get too comfortable with each other.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2750 000 $
3761 333 $
3833 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
4925 000 $
2944 500 $
3953 000 $
2750 000 $
3850 333 $
43 500 000 $
66 900 166 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
2800 000 $
22 200 000 $
21 015 000 $
2930 000 $
44 125 000 $
66 350 000 $
21 750 000 $
33 250 000 $
11 100 000 $
35 150 333 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Laine, Patrik [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Tullio, Tyler
  2. Turris, Kyle
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Pinho, Brian
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Murray, Brett
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
BUF
  1. Stalock, Alex
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
If Stalock fails to start 20% of games, Oilers also gives their 2021 Round 4.
Rachats de contrats
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2021
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2022
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2023
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2386 100 000 $83 146 005 $669 339 $907 500 $2 953 995 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Laine, Patrik
6 900 166 $6 900 166 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
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McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
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Puljujärvi, Jesse
1 175 000 $1 175 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
6 350 000 $6 350 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 8
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Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
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Yamamoto, Kailer
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Ryan, Bobby
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Danault, Phillip
5 150 333 $5 150 333 $
C
UFA - 6
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Kassian, Zack
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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Ennis, Tyler
1 015 000 $1 015 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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McLeod, Ryan
834 167 $834 167 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
C
RFA - 1
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Archibald, Josh
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Haas, Gaëtan
930 000 $930 000 $
C
UFA
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Chiasson, Alex
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Nurse, Darnell
5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Bear, Ethan
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Ullmark, Linus
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
G
UFA - 4
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Klefbom, Oscar
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Bouchard, Evan
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 2
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Smith, Mike
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Jones, Caleb
850 000 $850 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Larsson, Adam
4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Lagesson, William
725 000 $725 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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24 mai 2021 à 17 h 20
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With the amount of future assets you're giving up for him, you're banking everything on Laine becoming a star player. I honestly wouldn't trade that much for him.
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LMAO if Danault signs that he stays in Montreal where he wants to play. He loves the Habs, he is just pricing himself out of town. MMW though if Danaukt signs for 5 Mil or less it WILL most likely be with the Habs.
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Why would Chicago do that?
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Quoting: hairyberry
With the amount of future assets you're giving up for him, you're banking everything on Laine becoming a star player. I honestly wouldn't trade that much for him.


Quoting: Campabee
LMAO if Danault signs that he stays in Montreal where he wants to play. He loves the Habs, he is just pricing himself out of town. MMW though if Danaukt signs for 5 Mil or less it WILL most likely be with the Habs.


I mean Patrick Maroon scored 27 goals in a season on McDavid's line, I'm willing to bank Laine scores 50+ if not 60.
I dunno if you were alluding to this but Habs reportedly gave Danault a lucrative contract but was turned down. I was under the impression Danault didn't want to continue playing in Montreal, but if what you say is true then that's that.
In any case I don't know how the whole "Ideal" word in the title and description went over your head. Obviously I'm not gonna get my hopes up for Laine or Danault. I just wanted to dream about it.
24 mai 2021 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: Beetlejuice
Why would Chicago do that?


I dunno, I honestly don't care what team we trade Stalock too. I just figured the way sophomore goalies are performing right now Lankinen isn't too safe, so I figured giving them a super cheap backup with playoff experience would interest them, but they Chicago may value Pinho too much. If you have a different trade in mind for Stalock be my guest, I just wanted to trade away Stalock and Koskinen.
24 mai 2021 à 17 h 38
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On behalf of the Pacific division, we thank you for doubling Mike Smith's salary for another 2 years only to be a backup.
And another EDM page that only gives RNH a minimal raise long term.
I have to think if the Oilers only value him as a 250K - 350K above current value player, he goes somewhere else.
For sure there's a team or teams that have the ability to give him a little more and a more prominent role rather than playing behind 97/29
24 mai 2021 à 17 h 38
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Don't know what 'CBA talk' you are hearing. Pretty sure the cap has already been set at 81.5 mil.

Just what Washington needs. A 4th goalie.

I can see Seattle using their early signing period to sign Driedger and Ullmark to be their goalies. Then take Daccord and Berdin to play in the AHL...
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I mean Patrick Maroon scored 27 goals in a season on McDavid's line, I'm willing to bank Laine scores 50+ if not 60.
I dunno if you were alluding to this but Habs reportedly gave Danault a lucrative contract but was turned down. I was under the impression Danault didn't want to continue playing in Montreal, but if what you say is true then that's that.
In any case I don't know how the whole "Ideal" word in the title and description went over your head. Obviously I'm not gonna get my hopes up for Laine or Danault. I just wanted to dream about it.


Danault turned down a 6 year 5 Mil contract because he wants more term and feels his value is 6+ Mil 1st line center. He said he loves it in Montreal and hopes to be able to stay but he took a value deal on his last contract so he wants to get paid on his next one. His true value IMO is a 2nd line center between 4.5 and 5.75.
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You’ve put a lot of thought into this team. Which is good. The Laine trade is fair, but it leaves the Oilers with virtually no high end draft picks until mid decade, which is ultimately too high of a price to pay. The Washington deal is unlikely to happen given that all the dollars are going one way. Your valuation of Denault is way too low - he’ll likely get between 4.5 and 6 Million on a four or five year deal. Your other moves seem reasonable.
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24 mai 2021 à 21 h 15
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Quoting: Oilfan1717
You’ve put a lot of thought into this team. Which is good. The Laine trade is fair, but it leaves the Oilers with virtually no high end draft picks until mid decade, which is ultimately too high of a price to pay. The Washington deal is unlikely to happen given that all the dollars are going one way. Your valuation of Denault is way too low - he’ll likely get between 4.5 and 6 Million on a four or five year deal. Your other moves seem reasonable.


Quoting: Campabee
Danault turned down a 6 year 5 Mil contract because he wants more term and feels his value is 6+ Mil 1st line center. He said he loves it in Montreal and hopes to be able to stay but he took a value deal on his last contract so he wants to get paid on his next one. His true value IMO is a 2nd line center between 4.5 and 5.75.


Alright I'll raise the Danault earnings. I figured Washington would want a goalie because they are in desperate need of a reliable backup (Koski had roughly a 930 SV% while a backup this year), and they don't have time to wait for VInacek or Samsonov to develop into exceptional goalies. As I've said with Stalock, I do not care what team we trade Koskinen or Stalock to. So that really doesn't matter to me.
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Modifié 24 mai 2021 à 21 h 28
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Don't know what 'CBA talk' you are hearing. Pretty sure the cap has already been set at 81.5 mil.

Just what Washington needs. A 4th goalie.

I can see Seattle using their early signing period to sign Driedger and Ullmark to be their goalies. Then take Daccord and Berdin to play in the AHL...


I just did a quick google search to see what the most recent trade talks are. if it remains stagnant this roster is still under the cap.
24 mai 2021 à 21 h 21
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Quoting: flamesfan419
On behalf of the Pacific division, we thank you for doubling Mike Smith's salary for another 2 years only to be a backup.
And another EDM page that only gives RNH a minimal raise long term.
I have to think if the Oilers only value him as a 250K - 350K above current value player, he goes somewhere else.
For sure there's a team or teams that have the ability to give him a little more and a more prominent role rather than playing behind 97/29


The raise is only $250k, which is reasonable considering his 21-6-2 with .912 SV% and 2.69 GAA despite playing behind a shaky D-core; he's also been cited as one of biggest team leaders in the locker room by various players and Edmonton media including McDavid and Draisaitl. The only reason I didn't bump it above $2M is he's 39 years old.
On the note of Nuge, he is aware he didn't earn a massive raise, and he does want to remain in Edmonton. Most talks I've heard remain just above the $6M AAV.
But hey, go ahead and gawk despite being only 4 points ahead of the Senators.
24 mai 2021 à 21 h 26
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Danault turned down a 6 year 5 Mil contract because he wants more term and feels his value is 6+ Mil 1st line center. He said he loves it in Montreal and hopes to be able to stay but he took a value deal on his last contract so he wants to get paid on his next one. His true value IMO is a 2nd line center between 4.5 and 5.75.


I put his contract up but I kept it at 3 years because I don't know if he wants to be tied down in Edmonton. Remember, this is an ideal situation; and ideally Edmonton gets Danault. Realistically I agree Edmonton probably won't nab Danault.
24 mai 2021 à 21 h 29
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Quoting: Oilfan1717
You’ve put a lot of thought into this team. Which is good. The Laine trade is fair, but it leaves the Oilers with virtually no high end draft picks until mid decade, which is ultimately too high of a price to pay. The Washington deal is unlikely to happen given that all the dollars are going one way. Your valuation of Denault is way too low - he’ll likely get between 4.5 and 6 Million on a four or five year deal. Your other moves seem reasonable.


I know Ken Holland won't like the lack of draft capital (that's why I wanted a 3rd Rnd in return), but I'm of the opinion that it's worth it to have a potential superstar right now instead of wait and take a guess on which player -- if any -- will become a superstar, sniping winger at least three years from now. I feel like if the Oilers want a dynasty, they need to lock and load in the next two season. Otherwise they'll only be able to aim for one cup.
25 mai 2021 à 12 h 8
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considering his 21-6-2 with .912 SV% and 2.69 GAA

he's 39 years old.

But hey, go ahead and gawk despite being only 4 points ahead of the Senators.


And those fancy stats, what'd they get the team? Mike Smith now = 10 straight Playoff losses. He could go 82 - 0 with 1.000 SV% and 0.00 GAA
Doesn't mean a darn thing if he can't do it when it counts most. and those 10 losses spread out over 2 different teams, so it's not just the "shaky D" as you put it.

Personally I would've rather finished 4 points BEHIND the Senators, but didn't happen. Any chance you have a broom I could borrow to SWEEP it away.
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Quoting: flamesfan419
And those fancy stats, what'd they get the team? Mike Smith now = 10 straight Playoff losses. He could go 82 - 0 with 1.000 SV% and 0.00 GAA
Doesn't mean a darn thing if he can't do it when it counts most. and those 10 losses spread out over 2 different teams, so it's not just the "shaky D" as you put it.

Personally I would've rather finished 4 points BEHIND the Senators, but didn't happen. Any chance you have a broom I could borrow to SWEEP it away.


Fair but anyone who watched the games can see that Mike Smith was the only guy who consistently showed up and succeeded. Well, McDavid and Draisaitl constantly got around that Jets defense but man Helleybuyck was just a brick wall. It was almost fun watching the Oilers lose because how good he was... anyways that's not the point. I see Smith as a solid cheap backup. Obviously I don't intend him to start when Mrazek and Ullmark are expected to hit the market.
 
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