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Équipe: 2021-22 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 20 mai 2021
Publié: 20 mai 2021
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20 mai 2021 à 14 h 32
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20 mai 2021 à 14 h 35
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We're not trading Jones for rental prices unless we get a for-sure #1C back. Substitutes not permitted, even if they are decently highly regarded ones.
20 mai 2021 à 14 h 38
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We're not trading Jones for rental prices unless we get a for-sure #1C back. Substitutes not permitted, even if they are decently highly regarded ones.


Man enough with this comment. There's not a lot of teams out there that have the ability to give up a #1C. Obviously no Jones trade happens if he is willing to re-sign. Foerster and Patrick are both C and both could still become top 6 C.
20 mai 2021 à 14 h 43
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Don't waste your time with this clown.


Ya I saw his comments on your post. Seems like he can't accept if Jones doesn't want to re-sign then they are likely heading for a rebuild.
20 mai 2021 à 14 h 52
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Ya I saw his comments on your post. Seems like he can't accept if Jones doesn't want to re-sign then they are likely heading for a rebuild.


Probably still in shock from Panarin, Bob, Duchene, PLD...everyone not wanting to play there.
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20 mai 2021 à 14 h 55
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Probably still in shock from Panarin, Bob, Duchene, PLD...everyone not wanting to play there.


No way. There's no history of players not wanting to re-sign in CBJ. That can't be it 😂
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20 mai 2021 à 14 h 58
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20 mai 2021 à 15 h 11
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Don't waste your time with this clown.


Guy is right, you aren't getting jones for your trash. Also, we didn't offer Duchane to resign and bob wanted more years than we wanted to give him. Bread's girlfriend wanted to go to NYR. PLD hated that the room wasn't far left on the political spectrum (you can deny that as heresy all you want, still true). So congrats on being an idiot.
20 mai 2021 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Man enough with this comment. There's not a lot of teams out there that have the ability to give up a #1C. Obviously no Jones trade happens if he is willing to re-sign. Foerster and Patrick are both C and both could still become top 6 C.


That is garbage. CBJ hangs up. We dont want philly trash. because well, philly the city is trash
20 mai 2021 à 15 h 23
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Quoting: Icekat20
Guy is right, you aren't getting jones for your trash. Also, we didn't offer Duchane to resign and bob wanted more years than we wanted to give him. Bread's girlfriend wanted to go to NYR. PLD hated that the room wasn't far left on the political spectrum (you can deny that as heresy all you want, still true). So congrats on being an idiot.


So did everyone leave CBJ...that's what I thought.
20 mai 2021 à 15 h 40
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Man enough with this comment. There's not a lot of teams out there that have the ability to give up a #1C. Obviously no Jones trade happens if he is willing to re-sign. Foerster and Patrick are both C and both could still become top 6 C.

I'm not interested in whether or not a team can pay that price. The plan is to keep Jones. If and only if we have confirmaiton he wants out, then other deals can be meaningfully discussed. Otherwise it's about as helpful as us making up offers like Jenner and a 1st for Couturier "because he's only got one year left so he might want out".
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Ya I saw his comments on your post. Seems like he can't accept if Jones doesn't want to re-sign then they are likely heading for a rebuild.

Who's "he"?
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20 mai 2021 à 15 h 57
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Stay classy philly fans. This isn’t even a bad trade just throwing stones for no reason.

Quoting: Viqsi
I'm not interested in whether or not a team can pay that price. The plan is to keep Jones. If and only if we have confirmaiton he wants out, then other deals can be meaningfully discussed. Otherwise it's about as helpful as us making up offers like Jenner and a 1st for Couturier "because he's only got one year left so he might want out".



Holy restraint. I’ll leave it at that.

This thread is a joke. Looks like “take our offer or loose him for nothing you poverty team” heard it before. There will be 30 other teams that will be inquiring on Jones. I think this offer gets beat. IF WE EVEN MOVE HIM.


Quoting: DirtyDangles
So did everyone leave CBJ...that's what I thought.


And looks at the score..... 2-1. Bob sucks didn’t want him at that price.
Never offered Dutch a contract
And bread wanted New York. Turned down 2 different 13x7 contracts. ( the other was the avalanche)
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20 mai 2021 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: Viqsi
I'm not interested in whether or not a team can pay that price. The plan is to keep Jones. If and only if we have confirmaiton he wants out, then other deals can be meaningfully discussed. Otherwise it's about as helpful as us making up offers like Jenner and a 1st for Couturier "because he's only got one year left so he might want out".


Or... You can post deals on here with speculation that "if Jones doesn't want to re-sign because the team doesn't look competitive and there is a history of players not getting paid and leaving for UFA in Columbus then philly could make this offer" obviously they won't trade him if he re-signs. The whole point of this website is building teams on what COULD happen.
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Stay classy philly fans. This isn’t even a bad trade just throwing stones for no reason.




Holy restraint. I’ll leave it at that.

This thread is a joke. Looks like “take our offer or loose him for nothing you poverty team” heard it before. There will be 30 other teams that will be inquiring on Jones. I think this offer gets beat. IF WE EVEN MOVE HIM.




And looks at the score..... 2-1. Bob sucks didn’t want him at that price.
Never offered Dutch a contract
And bread wanted New York. Turned down 2 different 13x7 contracts. ( the other was the avalanche)


What you fail to comprehend is that these AGMs are made to see what a team would look like if a player was on it. The fact that you say it's not a bad trade means that the OP did a good job making an even trade. What you think the player is going to do or the organization is going to do is IRRELEVANT!
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Stay classy philly fans. This isn’t even a bad trade just throwing stones for no reason.




Holy restraint. I’ll leave it at that.

This thread is a joke. Looks like “take our offer or loose him for nothing you poverty team” heard it before. There will be 30 other teams that will be inquiring on Jones. I think this offer gets beat. IF WE EVEN MOVE HIM.




And looks at the score..... 2-1. Bob sucks didn’t want him at that price.
Never offered Dutch a contract
And bread wanted New York. Turned down 2 different 13x7 contracts. ( the other was the avalanche)


Lmao nobody on this thread said anything related to "take this offer or lose him for nothing".

You know what would be more helpful is looking at the situation of Columbus deciding "okay Jones isn't going to re-sign what trade works for us" and providing input on how you'd change my offer to make it more suitable for CBJ. Philly has plenty of pieces to make a deal possible.

Obviously this is all a moot point if Jones and CBJ come to a deal or have a strong feeling it will get done but right now there is certainly a possibility that he doesn't stay. I'm not saying either option is more likely than the other but this website is about speculation on what COULD happen. Have an open mind.
20 mai 2021 à 16 h 46
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Nobody’s paying to take JVR and that’s a severe over payment for jones
20 mai 2021 à 16 h 47
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We're not trading Jones for rental prices unless we get a for-sure #1C back. Substitutes not permitted, even if they are decently highly regarded ones.



What are you talking about? Jones is literally the most average defenseman in the league, I wouldn’t give up a 4th rounder to get him let alone a bonified 1 C
20 mai 2021 à 16 h 49
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
Or... You can post deals on here with speculation that "if Jones doesn't want to re-sign because the team doesn't look competitive and there is a history of players not getting paid and leaving for UFA in Columbus then philly could make this offer" obviously they won't trade him if he re-signs. The whole point of this website is building teams on what COULD happen.

If you're going to propose a scenario in which Columbus gets screwed over, do not be shocked if Jackets fans object. Because - and I know this is going to be shocking information, so bear with me - fans generally do not appreciate it when their teams are screwed over.

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Quoting: DirtyDangles
What you fail to comprehend is that these AGMs are made to see what a team would look like if a player was on it. The fact that you say it's not a bad trade means that the OP did a good job making an even trade. What you think the player is going to do or the organization is going to do is IRRELEVANT!

Incorrect. Maybe if this was a 2022-2023 team, you might have had a partial point. But this is a 2021-2022 team put together for THIS offseason, using assets that the Flyers have available to them right now. Therefore, to get an actual view of what one's team would look like, one has to consider what the prices would be right now.

For example: Couturier likely isn't available for low prices right now because the Flyers expect to hang onto him also. So, it's seriously dishonest if we decided we wanted to "see what the team looked like" if we could get Couturier for Carlsson and a 3rd - that wouldn't be a team that has any sane chance of happening, because we'd unquestionably be losing other, more valuable assets to get him. We're not looking at a reasonable possibility for the Blue Jackets at that point - we're looking at a biased homer fantasy.

Claiming that it might happen in the offseason doesn't work either, because Kekalainen has come out and publicly said that there will be no "sign during this summer or we trade you" ultimatums regarding Jones; he's willing to let those talks go into the new season if necessary. While there's several Jackets fans who are somewhat dismayed at that, that's his stated position.

Given all that, when one has been given that kind of information repeatedly and yet persists in insisting on their ignores-the-other-side approach to these things, the only rational conclusion that can subsequently be drawn is that one frankly has zero respect for that team and/or that team's fans and is just interested in blathering about their own homer fantasies at the expense of others. And when one is doing that, one really shouldn't be all that shocked if the "others" in that equation show up and object. Vociferously and repeatedly.
20 mai 2021 à 16 h 50
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What are you talking about? Jones is literally the most average defenseman in the league, I wouldn’t give up a 4th rounder to get him let alone a bonified 1 C

The Columbus Blue Jackets organization disagrees. As do most professional hockey management personnel in the NHL.
20 mai 2021 à 16 h 51
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Nobody’s paying to take JVR and that’s a severe over payment for jones


JVR is based on a lot of devils fans on here saying they'd be interested in him.
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Quoting: Viqsi
If you're going to propose a scenario in which Columbus gets screwed over, do not be shocked if Jackets fans object. Because - and I know this is going to be shocking information, so bear with me - fans generally do not appreciate it when their teams are screwed over.

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Incorrect. Maybe if this was a 2022-2023 team, you might have had a partial point. But this is a 2021-2022 team put together for THIS offseason, using assets that the Flyers have available to them right now. Therefore, to get an actual view of what one's team would look like, one has to consider what the prices would be right now.

For example: Couturier likely isn't available for low prices right now because the Flyers expect to hang onto him also. So, it's seriously dishonest if we decided we wanted to "see what the team looked like" if we could get Couturier for Carlsson and a 3rd - that wouldn't be a team that has any sane chance of happening, because we'd unquestionably be losing other, more valuable assets to get him. We're not looking at a reasonable possibility for the Blue Jackets at that point - we're looking at a biased homer fantasy.

Claiming that it might happen in the offseason doesn't work either, because Kekalainen has come out and publicly said that there will be no "sign during this summer or we trade you" ultimatums regarding Jones; he's willing to let those talks go into the new season if necessary. While there's several Jackets fans who are somewhat dismayed at that, that's his stated position.

Given all that, when one has been given that kind of information repeatedly and yet persists in insisting on their ignores-the-other-side approach to these things, the only rational conclusion that can subsequently be drawn is that one frankly has zero respect for that team and/or that team's fans and is just interested in blathering about their own homer fantasies at the expense of others. And when one is doing that, one really shouldn't be all that shocked if the "others" in that equation show up and object. Vociferously and repeatedly.


Lmao I'm not shocked if Columbus fans don't like the trade. You are just stead fast on not acknowledging that there is a chance Jones gets moved.

Couturier is a completely different situation. Philly doesn't have a history of UFA's walking and they're not a team that looks like a potential bottom of the league team entering a rebuild. There has been no talk at all that Couturier might not re-sign but if there was even the slightest indication then I'd be open to talking about trade possibilities for him.

Why is it so hard for you to discuss potential trades in the event that they move Jones because they don't believe an extension will happen?

Also I'm not even a fan of Philly so this is a complete outsiders view of something that could work as it's 2 young C prospects and a 1st which is more than most other dmen have returned. I'd also be willing to entertain the argument that Philly needs to add another piece to the deal and or remove Ghost but instead of adding to a discussion of what could work you choose to stand on the ignorant hill that it's not worth speculating on possible Jones trades.

Like maybe a conversation is this isn't enough you'd have to have York in there or Myers or Brink or Konecny or Frost or whatever else.
20 mai 2021 à 19 h 5
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Lmao I'm not shocked if Columbus fans don't like the trade. You are just stead fast on not acknowledging that there is a chance Jones gets moved.

Incorrect. I keep saying that there's no chance he gets moved for anything other than a #1C unless we get confirmation he wants out. Repeat: unless we get confirmation he wants out. Confirmation. Not suspicion. Confirmation. And that's not happening except in one of two circumstances:
1) We go all the way to the deadline and he still hasn't signed, OR
2) He comes out with a public request during this offseason.

Yes, there is a possibility, but that's in the future. Not now. Kekalainen's actions and statements have demonstrated as much.

Quoting: Mediumyeet
Couturier is a completely different situation. Philly doesn't have a history of UFA's walking and they're not a team that looks like a potential bottom of the league team entering a rebuild. There has been no talk at all that Couturier might not re-sign but if there was even the slightest indication then I'd be open to talking about trade possibilities for him.

Pop quiz: which of the following two teams have won more games over the last five seasons? Columbus or Philadelphia?
Which of the following two teams has the younger core on average? Columbus or Philadelphia?

People don't talk about Philadelphia's UFAs leaving because Philadelphia isn't a target. They've been around long enough that they don't get casually dismissed by average commentators. It has little to do with their situation and everything to do with prejudicial nonsense.

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Why is it so hard for you to discuss potential trades in the event that they move Jones because they don't believe an extension will happen?

Because they're predicated on an insulting myth in which people effectively declare my team to be a worthless farm for their own teams, and **** that noise.

Quoting: Mediumyeet
Also I'm not even a fan of Philly so this is a complete outsiders view of something that could work as it's 2 young C prospects and a 1st which is more than most other dmen have returned. I'd also be willing to entertain the argument that Philly needs to add another piece to the deal and or remove Ghost but instead of adding to a discussion of what could work you choose to stand on the ignorant hill that it's not worth speculating on possible Jones trades.

The trades being suggested aren't possible because they are predicated on an assumption that does not exist.

Quoting: Mediumyeet
Like maybe a conversation is this isn't enough you'd have to have York in there or Myers or Brink or Konecny or Frost or whatever else.

It's not enough because the wrong quality of player is in the package. Adding more insufficient players just makes it worse for Philly without solving the issue for Columbus.
20 mai 2021 à 21 h 25
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Incorrect. I keep saying that there's no chance he gets moved for anything other than a #1C unless we get confirmation he wants out. Repeat: unless we get confirmation he wants out. Confirmation. Not suspicion. Confirmation. And that's not happening except in one of two circumstances:
1) We go all the way to the deadline and he still hasn't signed, OR
2) He comes out with a public request during this offseason.

Yes, there is a possibility, but that's in the future. Not now. Kekalainen's actions and statements have demonstrated as much.


Pop quiz: which of the following two teams have won more games over the last five seasons? Columbus or Philadelphia?
Which of the following two teams has the younger core on average? Columbus or Philadelphia?

People don't talk about Philadelphia's UFAs leaving because Philadelphia isn't a target. They've been around long enough that they don't get casually dismissed by average commentators. It has little to do with their situation and everything to do with prejudicial nonsense.


Because they're predicated on an insulting myth in which people effectively declare my team to be a worthless farm for their own teams, and **** that noise.


The trades being suggested aren't possible because they are predicated on an assumption that does not exist.


It's not enough because the wrong quality of player is in the package. Adding more insufficient players just makes it worse for Philly without solving the issue for Columbus.


Heaven forbid someone talks about a trade on here based on speculation. Let's all wait for confirmation that a player will be traded before ever posting a scenario.
21 mai 2021 à 12 h 49
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The Columbus Blue Jackets organization disagrees. As do most professional hockey management personnel in the NHL.



I could literally care less about their opinions, literally every measurable way says he sucks, eye test,statistics, analytics all say he is the most average dman in the nhl
 
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