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Équipe: 2021-22 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 20 mai 2021
Publié: 20 mai 2021
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From what I can see Cap fans are currently upset with Kuzy and are willing to take pennies on the dollar for him. Other teams GMs? seem to try to diminish his value by taking shots at his character. last time a team traded a problem player based on false narratives, that i can remember, was ROR and look how awful that turned out.

Kuzy only really makes sense to go to a few teams.

in order from what i hate to what i love
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1.
WSH
  1. Eichel, Jack
Détails additionnels:
something along these lines
BUF
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. McMichael, Connor
  3. Samsonov, Ilya [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WSH)
2.
WSH
  1. Monahan, Sean
Détails additionnels:
Flames get the better player... capitals get a similar player with a lesser cap hit

imo this is the trade i like the least
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    Kuzy
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    1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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      Kuzy
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      1. Brodin, Jonas
      Détails additionnels:
      Kuzy personality doesnt exactly fit the "wild standard" but i would like to get a player like Brodin back for him if we can dump Dillon

      Brodin and Carlson would be deadly
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        Kuzy
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          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 25
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          Quoting: BrodinCheerD
          Haha wild laugh, & hang up

          First & foremost, wild don't need or want Kuznetsov

          Wild aren't trading Jonas Brodin, whose their #1d , top 5, top d 10. He's not waiving either. Wild gave him 6 years extension for a reason

          Like it's almost laughable because Kuznetsov doesn't have that value

          He's have covid 2x all due to not following covid protocols, missing 1month each time, & he also missed Washington 1st game due to being on covid protocols

          He's also had significant decreases in scoring for 2 years straight


          firsy off you are weirdly aggressive... why did this trigger you so much.

          Kuzy is a 1c and Brodin is a top pairing Dman its not a "wild hang up the phone laughing situation" He'd easily be the most talented center on that team and its not even close. you should probably chill out for a minute there no reason to be this upset. its actually laughable that a hypothetical trade has you looking this unbalanced mentally. Wild are in desperate need for an offensive minded center
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 26
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          Lol
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 28
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          Quoting: hero9154
          I think Washington would want an established player back in any Kuzy trade and I think Columbus would rather trade pending UFA's (22-23) than multiple young players. So maybe something along the lines of Boone Jenner, Foudy and a 2nd.


          That’s within the wheelhouse. Hard-pressed to get Tex out of Cbus, but we’d be willing to work with that 1st and Foudy.
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          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 29
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          Quoting: A_Habs_fan
          Montreal declines, Kuzy is a borderline 1c/good 2c and that's Kk's ceilling plus others team will probably have more realistic offers


          KK has averaged 25 points last 2 years.... id say his ceiling might never be reached and its more realistic that hes a great 3c than a 1-2c. He's shown little that would lead you to believe that he's going to be a 1-2 besides being drafted high. hell be 21 in a month and seems like you are hoping for something that's unlikely
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 31
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          Quoting: BrodinCheerD
          Jonas Brodin is untouchable as they come. He's a stud d , & he's not going anywhere. Washington isn't going to get much value for Kuznetsov with all his problems including two long stay on covid protocols. & the drug video

          Brodin will never waive either. Wild signed him to 6 years extension for a reason. Kuznetsov doesn't have #1c value or a team like wild aren't going to trade their #1d for him


          july 1 is when that kicks in lol they can trade him before that....
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 42
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          KK has averaged 25 points last 2 years.... id say his ceiling might never be reached and its more realistic that hes a great 3c than a 1-2c. He's shown little that would lead you to believe that he's going to be a 1-2 besides being drafted high. hell be 21 in a month and seems like you are hoping for something that's unlikely


          His play in the bubble last year and general eye test has shown he can develop into a nice complimentary 2c and he's almost 21, WHY DO PEOPLE THINK HE WON'T GROW
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 43
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          july 1 is when that kicks in lol they can trade him before that....


          It's kicked in immediately. Not july 1st. It was backdated
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 45
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          firsy off you are weirdly aggressive... why did this trigger you so much.

          Kuzy is a 1c and Brodin is a top pairing Dman its not a "wild hang up the phone laughing situation" He'd easily be the most talented center on that team and its not even close. you should probably chill out for a minute there no reason to be this upset. its actually laughable that a hypothetical trade has you looking this unbalanced mentally. Wild are in desperate need for an offensive minded center


          Unbalanced doesn't mean wild are going to trade a top 5d, & #1 d for a player who doesn't give a damn, & Washington wants to rid of him

          I don't like the guy. He's throwing everything away because he think he can just do whatever he wsnts
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 46
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          you think the would move Domi instead of Jenner?


          I think they would try to move Jenner first but I don't think Domi is untouchable.
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          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 48
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          Quoting: A_Habs_fan
          His play in the bubble last year and general eye test has shown he can develop into a nice complimentary 2c and he's almost 21, WHY DO PEOPLE THINK HE WON'T GROW


          its not so much that i dont think he will grow but Habs are in a weird place where they should try to win now / soon and adding Kuzy would help rather than wait another 2-3 years for him to maybe turn into a Barkov or somehting like that. i just think he is going to be anelite defensive guy rather than offensive
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          Quoting: BrodinCheerD
          Unbalanced doesn't mean wild are going to trade a top 5d, & #1 d for a player who doesn't give a damn, & Washington wants to rid of him

          I don't like the guy. He's throwing everything away because he think he can just do whatever he wsnts


          Washington hasn't said 1 time they want to get rid of him... just the fans. this is another hot take/ silly narrative you are trying to use. Brodin isnt top 5 idk what you are thinking.. Hedman Josi Slavin Pietrangelo Fox Makar Theodore Girard Chychrun(this year) Sergachev Hughes McAvoy Heiskanen... i can name more but you get the idea. i can get on board with being a homer but logic is need at some level.... this is just thoughtless
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          Quoting: hero9154
          I think they would try to move Jenner first but I don't think Domi is untouchable.


          Jenner is solid but i like Domi upside more and he fits the "Washington SMASH" Neanderthal style of play
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          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 0
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          Washington hasn't said 1 time they want to get rid of him... just the fans. this is another hot take/ silly narrative you are trying to use. Brodin isnt top 5 idk what you are thinking.. Hedman Josi Slavin Pietrangelo Fox Makar Theodore Girard Chychrun(this year) Sergachev Hughes McAvoy Heiskanen... i can name more but you get the idea. i can get on board with being a homer but logic is need at some level.... this is just thoughtless


          It was Friedman that actually said Washington wants him out, not the fans

          Even if you think Brodin isn't a top 5, he's a top 10 shutdown player in the NHL. He's a special player who wild don't/ aren't going to trade . Jonas Brodin always goes against opposing teams best players, & shut them down. Sorry Brodin is untouchable and he's going nowhere

          I think it's obvious you don't value Brodin which has why you put him in a trade for a player whose value, & play along with scoring/ points has decreased significantly for 2 years

          A player in Kuznetsov, & OVI who were also put on on covid protocols/ suspended for not following protocols earlier this year
          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 7
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          Jenner is solid but i like Domi upside more and he fits the "Washington SMASH" Neanderthal style of play


          I like Jenner as a solid 3C but I agree that Domi has a higher ceiling.

          Off topic here but me as a Rangers fan and you as a Caps fan, if you were to trade Kuzy...would Washington consider Zibanejad for Mantha?
          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 21
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          Quoting: BrodinCheerD
          It was Friedman that actually said Washington wants him out, not the fans

          Even if you think Brodin isn't a top 5, he's a top 10 shutdown player in the NHL. He's a special player who wild don't/ aren't going to trade . Jonas Brodin always goes against opposing teams best players, & shut them down. Sorry Brodin is untouchable and he's going nowhere

          I think it's obvious you don't value Brodin which has why you put him in a trade for a player whose value, & play along with scoring/ points has decreased significantly for 2 years

          A player in Kuznetsov, & OVI who were also put on on covid protocols/ suspended for not following protocols earlier this year


          Friedman also made heavy claims Kuznetsov was rumored to be offered $10 million a season to return to KHL and was one of the major reasons Washington pressured paid him. i think Brodin is a fine player and would be a great complementary player for Carlson. Brodin xgf% was 49.8 % this year thats hardly elite level defense...

          Kuzy offensive numbers were down at the beginning of the year bc Lav wanted him to focus on defense. his defensive number are noticeably better this year than last year, he also finish the year with 16p in 20 games.. that's pretty darn good if you ask me
          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 22
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          Quoting: hero9154
          I like Jenner as a solid 3C but I agree that Domi has a higher ceiling.

          Off topic here but me as a Rangers fan and you as a Caps fan, if you were to trade Kuzy...would Washington consider Zibanejad for Mantha?


          yes but idk why the Rangers would want to trade Zibanejad. he seems like the type of player you don't trade but keep around for years to come. like Zibanejad for Mantha 1 for 1? i would do that without a 2nd thought
          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 25
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          yes but idk why the Rangers would want to trade Zibanejad. he seems like the type of player you don't trade but keep around for years to come. like Zibanejad for Mantha 1 for 1? i would do that without a 2nd thought


          Assuming the Rangers trade for Eichel, I don't think they could afford Mika and his next contract along with Eichel's $10M cap hit.
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          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 29
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          Quoting: hero9154
          Assuming the Rangers trade for Eichel, I don't think they could afford Mika and his next contract along with Eichel's $10M cap hit.


          ohh i understand.. i actually like Zibanejad better than i like Eichel. if gaining Eichel meant losing Zibanejad i wouldnt trade for him... having those 2 as a 1-2 would be deadly. myabe you can trade Buch or use him to dump DeAngelo? something creative plus that new TV deal kicks in soon and that should bump the cap up (optimistically )
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          20 mai 2021 à 16 h 40
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          Friedman also made heavy claims Kuznetsov was rumored to be offered $10 million a season to return to KHL and was one of the major reasons Washington pressured paid him. i think Brodin is a fine player and would be a great complementary player for Carlson. Brodin xgf% was 49.8 % this year thats hardly elite level defense...

          Kuzy offensive numbers were down at the beginning of the year bc Lav wanted him to focus on defense. his defensive number are noticeably better this year than last year, he also finish the year with 16p in 20 games.. that's pretty darn good if you ask me


          The number you mentioned are ones you can pick & choose. If you watch Jonas Brodin, & who he's to the wild, you would see how good of a dman he's. Numbers don't tell everything about a player like Brodin

          You can't give excuse for Kuznetsov but not Brodin who was playing with turnover prone matt dumba.

          Kuznetsov also missed close to 2 months of the season or more due to having covid and then being put on covid protocols again like the last month, & he was just taken off covid protocols after the 1st game of playoff, all by his own doings. He had covid the 1st time due to not following covid protocols and getting it, missing a little over 1month of the season

          Then recently was put on covid protocols again, then missed more than a month including missing the 1st game of playoff

          Anyway doesn't matter because wild aren't trading Jonas Brodin whose a stud shutdown d, & goes against the opponents best players
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          Quoting: BrodinCheerD
          The number you mentioned are ones you can pick & choose. If you watch Jonas Brodin, & who he's to the wild, you would see how good of a dman he's. Numbers don't tell everything about a player like Brodin

          You can't give excuse for Kuznetsov but not Brodin who was playing with turnover prone matt dumba.

          Kuznetsov also missed close to 2 months of the season or more due to having covid and then being put on covid protocols again like the last month, & he was just taken off covid protocols after the 1st game of playoff, all by his own doings. He had covid the 1st time due to not following covid protocols and getting it, missing a little over 1month of the season

          Then recently was put on covid protocols again, then missed more than a month including missing the 1st game of playoff

          Anyway doesn't matter because wild aren't trading Jonas Brodin whose a stud shutdown d, & goes against the opponents best players


          xgf% isnt a cherry picking stat...lol. Kuzy is a great talent and it would cost this maybe more to get him. ELITE shutdown guys have better xgf%. i think Brodin is good but im hardly going to glorify him like you are
           
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