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Équipe: 2021-22 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 20 mai 2021
Publié: 20 mai 2021
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From what I can see Cap fans are currently upset with Kuzy and are willing to take pennies on the dollar for him. Other teams GMs? seem to try to diminish his value by taking shots at his character. last time a team traded a problem player based on false narratives, that i can remember, was ROR and look how awful that turned out.

Kuzy only really makes sense to go to a few teams.

in order from what i hate to what i love
Transactions
1.
WSH
  1. Eichel, Jack
Détails additionnels:
something along these lines
BUF
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. McMichael, Connor
  3. Samsonov, Ilya [Droits de RFA]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WSH)
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WSH
  1. Monahan, Sean
Détails additionnels:
Flames get the better player... capitals get a similar player with a lesser cap hit

imo this is the trade i like the least
CGY
    Kuzy
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    1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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      Kuzy
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      1. Brodin, Jonas
      Détails additionnels:
      Kuzy personality doesnt exactly fit the "wild standard" but i would like to get a player like Brodin back for him if we can dump Dillon

      Brodin and Carlson would be deadly
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        Kuzy
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        1. Foudy, Liam
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          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 17
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          I think Buffalo would be okay with this trade. It makes sense for sure.
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          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 23
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          Quoting: Chapee44
          I think Buffalo would be okay with this trade. It makes sense for sure.


          that would be the deal i would make if im the Capitals and i felt i desperately needed to win another cup and i didn't care about the future of the team. Eichel would be a xfactor they needed .... Maybe try to add Dillon Mantha and a 2nd for Reinhart.

          Reinhart Eichel Wilson would be a fun line
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 27
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          that would be the deal i would make if im the Capitals and i felt i desperately needed to win another cup and i didn't care about the future of the team. Eichel would be a xfactor they needed .... Maybe try to add Dillon Mantha and a 2nd for Reinhart.

          Reinhart Eichel Wilson would be a fun line


          As a Sabres fan I'd hate that but... yeah probably... I think Eichel and Reinhart get their best returns separate. I also personally think Reinhart will stay in Buffalo on a short 3-5 year deal with a nice big number beside it. 7.5-8 x 4 is my ideal thought
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 29
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          I think you should be able to get more from Columbus
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          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 29
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          Some of these deals are very different in value, mostly the Columbus and MTL ones. Kotaniemi is a better youth player then Foudy and thier pick is likely 8 spots before Torontos. Also dont know if Kuzy gets these kind of returns with his 'problems' even though I personally think they're over blown GMs will see him as a risk
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          Quoting: Chapee44
          As a Sabres fan I'd hate that but... yeah probably... I think Eichel and Reinhart get their best returns separate. I also personally think Reinhart will stay in Buffalo on a short 3-5 year deal with a nice big number beside it. 7.5-8 x 4 is my ideal thought


          Reinhart has been great for Buffalo and i completely understand why they would want to keep him. He actually surprised me at how well he did at center. i wasnt sure how good he is with Buffalo.. like does he want out or does he want to stay
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 31
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          Quoting: Drshnuckels91
          I think you should be able to get more from Columbus


          im very high on Foudy. its completely possible to get more but i think that kid is going to be amazing. Maybe another pick like a 3rd?
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 34
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          Personally I have no interest in moving Brodin for Kuzy so I'd hate this deal.
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          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 35
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          Reinhart has been great for Buffalo and i completely understand why they would want to keep him. He actually surprised me at how well he did at center. i wasnt sure how good he is with Buffalo.. like does he want out or does he want to stay


          All depends how the GM and owners approach the coach search, their relationship with him and the Eichel situation in my opinion. He's tired of losing. This Eichel trade I think keeps them from truly being labelled as "rebuild" and could keep him around.
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          Quoting: Subbanator7667
          Some of these deals are very different in value, mostly the Columbus and MTL ones. Kotaniemi is a better youth player then Foudy and thier pick is likely 8 spots before Torontos. Also dont know if Kuzy gets these kind of returns with his 'problems' even though I personally think they're over blown GMs will see him as a risk


          see i disagree. i feel that Kotaniemi realistic ceiling is a 3rd line center. i believe he will be a Eller type player like 30-40 point and a great shutdown role. Foudy i believe has more of a "wow" factor or better point production. just my feeling on the matter. Maybe CBJ adds another prospect or a 3rd something like that? depends if Habs beat Toronto they would have a later pick and this draft is projected to be "weak" so idk how much 8 spots changes things. I think Kuzy value will stay high. hes a greta talent
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          im very high on Foudy. its completely possible to get more but i think that kid is going to be amazing. Maybe another pick like a 3rd?


          I think you could also get a good immediate impact player out of it too potentially.(Texier or a second should do)
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          Quoting: TanSor
          Personally I have no interest in moving Brodin for Kuzy so I'd hate this deal.


          Brodin is an elite defender but if the Wild get bounced this year they might look to add an actual 1c-2c EK was great this year but they need someone like Kuzy that can add instant offense with KK imo.
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 42
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          see i disagree. i feel that Kotaniemi realistic ceiling is a 3rd line center. i believe he will be a Eller type player like 30-40 point and a great shutdown role. Foudy i believe has more of a "wow" factor or better point production. just my feeling on the matter. Maybe CBJ adds another prospect or a 3rd something like that? depends if Habs beat Toronto they would have a later pick and this draft is projected to be "weak" so idk how much 8 spots changes things. I think Kuzy value will stay high. hes a greta talent


          I think Foudy's ceiling is a 3rd line as well and a top notch penalty killer. He has good defensive instincts and has great speed but he is not a playmaker so i believe he is projected to play more wing than center.
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          Quoting: Drshnuckels91
          I think you could also get a good immediate impact player out of it too potentially.(Texier or a second should do)


          thank you for the input. I like your trade value way more than the one I posted. i like Texier hes a solid player
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          I think Foudy's ceiling is a 3rd line as well and a top notch penalty killer. He has good defensive instincts and has great speed but he is not a playmaker so i believe he is projected to play more wing than center.


          that would be perfect i believe him and McMichael are London boys... maybe they have some good chemistry. Another guy suggested CBJ throws in Texier to balance the deal more? does that make more sense to you also?
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          see i disagree. i feel that Kotaniemi realistic ceiling is a 3rd line center. i believe he will be a Eller type player like 30-40 point and a great shutdown role. Foudy i believe has more of a "wow" factor or better point production. just my feeling on the matter. Maybe CBJ adds another prospect or a 3rd something like that? depends if Habs beat Toronto they would have a later pick and this draft is projected to be "weak" so idk how much 8 spots changes things. I think Kuzy value will stay high. hes a greta talent


          So basically the thought here is that the 8th youngest player to play in the league this year is done developing and wont grow past the player he is right now. I would say thats highly doubtful.
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          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 55
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          that would be perfect i believe him and McMichael are London boys... maybe they have some good chemistry. Another guy suggested CBJ throws in Texier to balance the deal more? does that make more sense to you also?


          I think Washington would want an established player back in any Kuzy trade and I think Columbus would rather trade pending UFA's (22-23) than multiple young players. So maybe something along the lines of Boone Jenner, Foudy and a 2nd.
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 58
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          Brodin is an elite defender but if the Wild get bounced this year they might look to add an actual 1c-2c EK was great this year but they need someone like Kuzy that can add instant offense with KK imo.


          I agree, we need a 1C desperately, but I just think trading Brodin isn't the right move. I like Kuzy when he's on, but he's wildly inconsistent and takes a lot of shifts and games off. He'd easily be the most talented center on our team but moving Brodin for him is a bad idea IMO.
          20 mai 2021 à 14 h 58
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          As a caps fan I think that’s too much for Eichel. If kuzy is worth foudy and a first or kot and a first then 5 first round picks is a lot if they are asking for 4 first (they also start off with a high asking price but I think 4 first is fair). I can see the caps getting rid of future assets to win now but I don’t see them trading kuzy unless we bring in another impact player.
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          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 0
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          Haha wild laugh, & hang up

          First & foremost, wild don't need or want Kuznetsov

          Wild aren't trading Jonas Brodin, whose their #1d , top 5, top d 10. He's not waiving either. Wild gave him 6 years extension for a reason

          Like it's almost laughable because Kuznetsov doesn't have that value

          He's have covid 2x all due to not following covid protocols, missing 1month each time, & he also missed Washington 1st game due to being on covid protocols

          He's also had significant decreases in scoring for 2 years straight
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 4
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          Montreal declines, Kuzy is a borderline 1c/good 2c and that's Kk's ceilling plus others team will probably have more realistic offers
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 5
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          Quoting: DogDayCaps2
          im very high on Foudy. its completely possible to get more but i think that kid is going to be amazing. Maybe another pick like a 3rd?


          Jonas Brodin is untouchable as they come. He's a stud d , & he's not going anywhere. Washington isn't going to get much value for Kuznetsov with all his problems including two long stay on covid protocols. & the drug video

          Brodin will never waive either. Wild signed him to 6 years extension for a reason. Kuznetsov doesn't have #1c value or a team like wild aren't going to trade their #1d for him
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 14
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          Quoting: Subbanator7667
          So basically the thought here is that the 8th youngest player to play in the league this year is done developing and wont grow past the player he is right now. I would say thats highly doubtful.


          i wouldn't exactly say that. he's played 171 games and has 22g 40a 62ppoints. thats a .36ppg or a 30 point average in an 82 game year. last 2 years hes played 92 games and has 11g 17p 28points. that's a .30ppg or a 25 point average in an 82 game year. he turns 21 in a month... his point production isnt looking like its going to double or drastically improve over the summer. i think where he greatly improves is his shutdown / 200 foot game. thats why i have him being a Eller type.... Eller is such a great 200 foot guy. Guys like that are so valuable to a team . like Jordan Staal
          20 mai 2021 à 15 h 19
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          Quoting: hero9154
          I think Washington would want an established player back in any Kuzy trade and I think Columbus would rather trade pending UFA's (22-23) than multiple young players. So maybe something along the lines of Boone Jenner, Foudy and a 2nd.


          you think the would move Domi instead of Jenner?
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          Quoting: sam8man8
          As a caps fan I think that’s too much for Eichel. If kuzy is worth foudy and a first or kot and a first then 5 first round picks is a lot if they are asking for 4 first (they also start off with a high asking price but I think 4 first is fair). I can see the caps getting rid of future assets to win now but I don’t see them trading kuzy unless we bring in another impact player.


          i imagine Eichel value is less than this but you are competing with 5-10 teams to get him... best offer generally wins
           
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