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Chevy from the cottage

Créé par: jgimp69
Date de création initiale: mai 16, 2021
Publié: 16 mai à 15 h 53
Équipe: 2021-22 Jets de Winnipeg
Explications
Testing the waters wondering what Detroit fans think. Most Wings fans think Seider is untouchable which is entirely fair, just want to know if this is close, over or under pay? Constructive criticism is welcome, no a$$holes please.
Patrick is worth the risk of a 2nd. Vancouver clears Loui and his cap, cheaper than Seattle taking him. Bye Copp
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Patrick, Nolan22 250 000 $
Pionk, Neal55 250 000 $
Stanley, Logan2925 000 $
Kovacevic, Johnny2875 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Lewis, Trevor1925 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Patrick, Nolan2 250 000 $
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022
Transactions
1.
WPG
  1. 2021 3e round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Copp, Andrew [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Winnipeg exposes Copp
2.
WPG
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. 2021 2e round pick (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
Cap dump
VAN
    3.
    WPG
    1. Seider, Moritz
    DET
    1. Perfetti, Cole
    2. Samberg, Dylan
    3. 2021 1e round pick (WPG)
    Détails additionnels:
    Expensive, I know. But our D core would be set for years.
    Enfoui
    • Loui Eriksson: 4 875 000 $ (6 000 000 $)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    WPG
    VAN
    WPG
    SEA
    WPG
    2022
    WPG
    WPG
    CBJ
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    2023
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    WPG
    2024
    WPG
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2081 500 000 $71 367 978 $145 122 $1 757 500 $10 132 022 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    WPG
    Connor, Kyle
    7 142 857 $
    AG
    UFA - 5
    WPG
    Scheifele, Mark
    6 125 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WPG
    Ehlers, Nikolaj
    6 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    WPG
    Vesalainen, Kristian
    894 167 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    WPG
    Dubois, Pierre-Luc
    5 000 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    WPG
    Wheeler, Blake
    8 250 000 $
    AD, C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Patrick, Nolan
    2 250 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 2
    WPG
    Lowry, Adam
    3 250 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    WPG
    Appleton, Mason
    900 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    WPG
    Harkins, Jansen
    725 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 1
    WPG
    Gustafsson, David
    817 500 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    WPG
    Lewis, Trevor
    925 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    WPG
    Heinola, Ville
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 3
    WPG
    Pionk, Neal
    5 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    WPG
    Hellebuyck, Connor
    6 166 666 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    WPG
    Morrissey, Joshua
    6 250 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 7
    DET
    Seider, Moritz
    863 333 $
    DD
    RFA - 3
    WPG
    Berdin, Mikhail
    750 000 $
    G
    RFA - 2
    WPG
    Stanley, Logan
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    WPG
    DeMelo, Dylan
    3 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    WPG
    Little, Bryan
    5 291 667 $
    C, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WPG
    Beaulieu, Nathan
    1 250 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1

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    16 mai à 21 h 12
    #51
    Rejoint: jui 2017
    Messages: 30
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    Quoting: jgimp69
    Too much potential in Perfetti to make a trade for that kind of return. Detroit adds a lot.
    That is why a Perfetti/Seider trade is so polarizing in my view. So much risk for both teams and both appear to be top line players (potential anyways) A trade like that could pay dividends for both. Detroit D depth is a plus and can (afford to gamble) to get that high end C that they are missing. Wings fans say that Seider is untouchable because of his potential, but forget that Perfetti has that exact same potential! I only added Samberg and the pick as the overpay to try to get them to bite. The value favours Detroit by a large margin IMO but completely understand the view that he is untouchable.
    If Detroit wants that high end C, you either need to draft him, or trade with something that would hurt, same as Winnipeg if they want that high end D, and the same with every other team.
    At least you guys are setup well this year and next to try and draft that top end C and LD you need.


    I do agree that both players are close to untouchable, but the value in my opinion goes to Sieder. He is definitely more of a sure thing and is a RD. Perfetti could still end up being a LW that can't skate fast enough and can't play the physical game. The picture would be alot clearer in a year, to see if they start reaching their potential on the NHL. If Perfetti makes the team.
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    16 mai à 21 h 15
    #52
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    Modifié 16 mai à 21 h 26
    Quoting: BStinson
    So why is Detroit paying for an asset when they can potentially get them for free in a year? Detroit needs top end players especially at defense and center so why trade for a mid 6 forward on a career year? The extension isn’t the worry at all, it’s the cost of a young top 4 defensemen when he (Copp) may even be exposed in the ED.

    Hronek is 23 and established, how does Samberg fit the rebuild but Hronek doesn’t? If you want Hronek think Heinola or Perfetti otherwise there’s no reason for Detroit. Not to pick on Samberg but we have his quality LHD in our pipeline.


    Teams trade for players 1year away from UFA all the time. It gives them an edge to resign them before any other team has the ability to. This isn’t new. Detroit fans were sure they could get Trouba for free when he hit UFA, but never happened because he was traded and signed an extension with the Rags!
    The Samberg and Copp idea is to fill a gap in your roster using a strength. Detroit has some great defensive depth while Winnipeg has some great forward depth and some really good defensive prospects but is in the in win now mode. According to HF and CF boards, Detroit needs forward and LD, hence Copp and Samberg as the suggestions. If your adverse to it that’s fine and I understand, that’s why I love these boards, to get values, ideas and views of other fan bases, but if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work
    16 mai à 21 h 22
    #53
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    Quoting: DatsyukianDekes
    I do agree that both players are close to untouchable, but the value in my opinion goes to Sieder. He is definitely more of a sure thing and is a RD. Perfetti could still end up being a LW that can't skate fast enough and can't play the physical game. The picture would be alot clearer in a year, to see if they start reaching their potential on the NHL. If Perfetti makes the team.


    Fair enough, Seider also has a 1 yr jump on Perfetti so there is also that to consider. Also, you mention Perfetti ability to adapt to the NHL game (LW, speed and physicality), but you forget to mention that Seider may have the same issues...
    Neither guy has played a single NHL game!
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    16 mai à 21 h 28
    #54
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    Quoting: jgimp69
    Teams trade for players 1year away from UFA all the time. It gives them an edge to resign them before any other team has the ability to. This isn’t new.
    The Samberg and Copp idea is to fill a gap in your roster using a strength. Detroit has some great defensive depth while Winnipeg has some great forward depth and some really good defensive prospects but is in the in win now mode. According to HF and CF boards, Detroit needs forward and LD, hence Copp and Samberg as the suggestions. If your adverse to it that’s fine and I understand, that’s why I love these boards, to get values, ideas and views of other fan bases, but if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work

    I get teams trading for a UFA one year before but how many of them want out of their given team get good value especially from a rebuilder? None, I can’t think of any recent example. I also see the expansion draft as being problematic for Winnipeg with a decision on Appleton or Copp being exposed. On top of that his career year is driving up his next contract. I get it, if you don’t want to include Heinola or Perfetti for Hronek then there’s really no chance of a deal. Detroit needs needle movers and Samberg/Copp isn’t that so a quantity for quality deal doesn’t work for us. Maybe go after Dougie Hamilton in the offseason to fill that RD spot?
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    16 mai à 21 h 34
    #55
    Rejoint: jui 2017
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    Quoting: jgimp69
    Fair enough, Seider also has a 1 yr jump on Perfetti so there is also that to consider. Also, you mention Perfetti ability to adapt to the NHL game (LW, speed and physicality), but you forget to mention that Seider may have the same issues...
    Neither guy has played a single NHL game!


    Sieder has been manhandling men in the SHL and was 1 of the best D-men in the league. You should look up some of his clips. And the SHL is the real deal, probably 2 or 3rd best league in the world. That's why the Wings fan base have so much faith in him.
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    16 mai à 21 h 47
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    Quoting: DatsyukianDekes
    Sieder has been manhandling men in the SHL and was 1 of the best D-men in the league. You should look up some of his clips. And the SHL is the real deal, probably 2 or 3rd best league in the world. That's why the Wings fan base have so much faith in him.


    I would say the same about Perfetti on the Moose
    16 mai à 23 h 16
    #57
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    Seider is untouchable for Detroit, they don't move him for anything short of disgusting overpay and this doesn't meet that threshold
     
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