Probably the best roster in the league

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You signed bandaid kase to a 5 year deal at 3 million more than he’ll make, and didn’t protect carlo.

This is one of the worst ACGMs ever made. This team is barely a playoff team, and in a couple years has some nightmare contracts.

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 14

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And then you are screwed the next 2 years when Mac/Bergy/Debrusk/Pasta/Swayman and a bunch others are due.

Hjalmy is likely done in the NHL.

Kase should not be re-signed…for anything.

Craig Smith at C2? Really? Still better than Kuraly at C3 but not good idea nonetheless.

I won’t even get into Carlo and Coyle.

I like the Coleman signing. But that’s about it.

A team with that defense and center depth is certainly NOT the best roster in the league, far from it.

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 20

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I lost you at Hjalmarsson being better than Carlo. Everything you say after that is invalidated

Even fans like me who hate the Bruins know how nonsensical this is

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Carlo will be protected, Kase will get shorter term and a lot less AAV, tha defence is atrocious apart from McAvoy-Grezlyck and you barely have any natural/good centers

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 22

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Carlo will be protected, Kase will get shorter term and a lot less AAV, tha defence is atrocious apart from McAvoy-Grezlyck and you barely have any natural/good centers

Also why would you buy out Coyle ?

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I lost you at Hjalmarsson being better than Carlo. Everything you say after that is invalidated

Even fans like me who hate the Bruins know how nonsensical this is

To me this stinks of a guy that bases everything 100% on the fancy stats. So some guy like pysyk I’m guessing has some random number that looks like it’s okay compared to how much he’ll cost, so guys like this jump at them. I would be surprised if he’s seen Kase play one hockey game.

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 36

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Carlo will be protected, Kase will get shorter term and a lot less AAV, tha defence is atrocious apart from McAvoy-Grezlyck and you barely have any natural/good centers

I think Kase gets non-tendered or pushed on to Seattle. Can’t see him in Boston unless it’s a 1 year prove it deal on the cheap.

16 mai 2021 à 10 h 38

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You know who's an underappreciated player,
David Krejci is, it's crazy to think Craig Smith could replace Krejci at 2C.. Lol

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Also why would you buy out Coyle ?

Because he’s not good at this apparently.

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 54

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To me this stinks of a guy that bases everything 100% on the fancy stats. So some guy like pysyk I’m guessing has some random number that looks like it’s okay compared to how much he’ll cost, so guys like this jump at them. I would be surprised if he’s seen Kase play one hockey game.

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I think Kase gets non-tendered or pushed on to Seattle. Can’t see him in Boston unless it’s a 1 year prove it deal on the cheap.

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Kase isn't making that much, or for that long

So what happens if you give Kase 1 year and he proves it? He's proven it on every level so far. He was one of the best players in the league two years ago, and has been really, really good whenever he's played since. Worst case he's on LTIR. This is a buy-low scenario, and I hope he gets back healthy to prove this to all of you.

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16 mai 2021 à 10 h 55

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So what happens if you give Kase 1 year and he proves it? He's proven it on every level so far. He was one of the best players in the league two years ago, and has been really, really good whenever he's played since. Worst case he's on LTIR. This is a buy-low scenario, and I hope he gets back healthy to prove this to all of you.

He was never THAT good, but if he produces after 1, then you can pay him

16 mai 2021 à 10 h 56

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So what happens if you give Kase 1 year and he proves it? He's proven it on every level so far. He was one of the best players in the league two years ago, and has been really, really good whenever he's played since. Worst case he's on LTIR. This is a buy-low scenario, and I hope he gets back healthy to prove this to all of you.

You have never seen kase play.

16 mai 2021 à 10 h 59

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So what happens if you give Kase 1 year and he proves it? He's proven it on every level so far. He was one of the best players in the league two years ago, and has been really, really good whenever he's played since. Worst case he's on LTIR. This is a buy-low scenario, and I hope he gets back healthy to prove this to all of you.

He’s played 64 games since 18-19 and has 7g and 25pts. Does not play defense or hit anyone. Not sure how you call that one of the best players in the league. It’s Domink Kahun level. Mediocre 3rd liner. Sure he has not been healthy. But he may never be again. Walk away. No loss at all.

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Quoting: CMcAvoy73

You signed bandaid kase to a 5 year deal at 3 million more than he’ll make, and didn’t protect carlo.

This is one of the worst ACGMs ever made. This team is barely a playoff team, and in a couple years has some nightmare contracts.

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Carlo will be protected, Kase will get shorter term and a lot less AAV, tha defence is atrocious apart from McAvoy-Grezlyck and you barely have any natural/good centers

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I lost you at Hjalmarsson being better than Carlo. Everything you say after that is invalidated

Even fans like me who hate the Bruins know how nonsensical this is

It's really hard to argue a bunch of people who have just decided Carlo is good.

Now, I even explained - he is in fact good at playing defense. The problem is that his offense is so bad he's a net negative 5on5 player. Hjalmarsson is a similar player. The difference is that he's better defensively than he's poor offensively.

Koekkoek has done pretty well for himself wherever hes gone and is an above average player both offensively and defensively. Same with Pysyk. Reilly is really strong offensively and fine defensively. But the issue is narrative. And when you let narrative determine these are just okay players, well then it's hard to change your mind. Everything from that point is confirmation bias. Every play you see Carlo make you view it through the lens of "he's really strong defensively". If you did that with any of these other guys you'd see they're really good two-way players, and in Reilly's case incredibly strong on offense.

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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan

He was never THAT good, but if he produces after 1, then you can pay him

Then you're paying for a guy who's already produced instead of paying for a guy who will produce if healthy and given the chance. He's also great defensively. Kase's biggest strength is tilting the ice in his teammates favor. He'll never produce like the best of them, cause almost all high level producers are liabilities defensively, play way more minutes, or both.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

He’s played 64 games since 18-19 and has 7g and 25pts. Does not play defense or hit anyone. Not sure how you call that one of the best players in the league. It’s Domink Kahun level. Mediocre 3rd liner. Sure he has not been healthy. But he may never be again. Walk away. No loss at all.

He plays really solid defense. I think you're a very poor evaluater of defense if you only look for big hits. He tilts the ice in his teams favor, and lets his teammates stay in the offensive zone for an absurd amount of time. That's playing defense as well, you just don't think of it like that.

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It's really hard to argue a bunch of people who have just decided Carlo is good.

Now, I even explained - he is in fact good at playing defense. The problem is that his offense is so bad he's a net negative 5on5 player. Hjalmarsson is a similar player. The difference is that he's better defensively than he's poor offensively.

Koekkoek has done pretty well for himself wherever hes gone and is an above average player both offensively and defensively. Same with Pysyk. Reilly is really strong offensively and fine defensively. But the issue is narrative. And when you let narrative determine these are just okay players, well then it's hard to change your mind. Everything from that point is confirmation bias. Every play you see Carlo make you view it through the lens of "he's really strong defensively". If you did that with any of these other guys you'd see they're really good two-way players, and in Reilly's case incredibly strong on offense.

Because he is good and still room for growth. The guys you are replacing him with are 3rd pair plugs with zero upside.

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You know who's an underappreciated player,
David Krejci is, it's crazy to think Craig Smith could replace Krejci at 2C.. Lol

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And then you are screwed the next 2 years when Mac/Bergy/Debrusk/Pasta/Swayman and a bunch others are due.

Hjalmy is likely done in the NHL.

Kase should not be re-signed…for anything.

Craig Smith at C2? Really? Still better than Kuraly at C3 but not good idea nonetheless.

I won’t even get into Carlo and Coyle.

I like the Coleman signing. But that’s about it.

A team with that defense and center depth is certainly NOT the best roster in the league, far from it.

Krejci has done some really good things. At this point of his career he's a pretty average player, and not getting better. Craig smith has been crazy underappreciated his entire career. But regardless I don't care if he's playing C or not - push Coleman up if necessary. Hall, Coleman and Smith are all pretty much elite players. I wish this would happen so you could see it with your own eyes.

Coyle is just not very good at this point. A league average player would do more with the same opportunity and cost way less. It's not even close to being worth it, paying him over 5 mil.

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Because he is good and still room for growth. The guys you are replacing him with are 3rd pair plugs with zero upside.

Pysyk, Koekkoek and Reilly are already way better. Carlo would need to grow from one of the worst defenseman at playing offense in the league to a bit above average to match any of these guys. Carlo has played what, 5 years in the league? What's the upside we're waiting for? And why are we going to unavoidably pay some 4 million for it?

16 mai 2021 à 11 h 11

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Quoting: MelonVK

It's really hard to argue a bunch of people who have just decided Carlo is good.

Now, I even explained - he is in fact good at playing defense. The problem is that his offense is so bad he's a net negative 5on5 player. Hjalmarsson is a similar player. The difference is that he's better defensively than he's poor offensively.

Koekkoek has done pretty well for himself wherever hes gone and is an above average player both offensively and defensively. Same with Pysyk. Reilly is really strong offensively and fine defensively. But the issue is narrative. And when you let narrative determine these are just okay players, well then it's hard to change your mind. Everything from that point is confirmation bias. Every play you see Carlo make you view it through the lens of "he's really strong defensively". If you did that with any of these other guys you'd see they're really good two-way players, and in Reilly's case incredibly strong on offense.

You can't tell me that having guys like Koekkoek, Reilly or Psysk i better than having Carlo, Carlo has room to grow and is bettet than all of them. Reilly is good but not as a 2nd pair guy and Psysk definitely shouldn't be on a 2nd pair too

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16 mai 2021 à 11 h 13

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Quoting: MelonVK

Krejci has done some really good things. At this point of his career he's a pretty average player, and not getting better. Craig smith has been crazy underappreciated his entire career. But regardless I don't care if he's playing C or not - push Coleman up if necessary. Hall, Coleman and Smith are all pretty much elite players. I wish this would happen so you could see it with your own eyes.

Coyle is just not very good at this point. A league average player would do more with the same opportunity and cost way less. It's not even close to being worth it, paying him over 5 mil.

I bet you were not saying that about Coyle last year. I am not concerned about 1 shortened messed up year. If he does not rebound next year then i will worry.

Neither Smith or Colmean is a 2nd line center.

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Quoting: MelonVK

Pysyk, Koekkoek and Reilly are already way better. Carlo would need to grow from one of the worst defenseman at playing offense in the league to a bit above average to match any of these guys. Carlo has played what, 5 years in the league? What's the upside we're waiting for? And why are we going to unavoidably pay some 4 million for it?

😂🙄

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Quoting: Gofnut999

I bet you were not saying that about Coyle last year. I am not concerned about 1 shortened messed up year. If he does not rebound next year then i will worry.

Neither Smith or Colmean is a 2nd line center.

Yeah, Coyle was pretty good last year. Pretty good as in still way worse than both Smith and Coleman. And still maybe worth those 5+ million. Smith and Coleman are worth way more, but narrative doesn't tell us they're legit 1st liners, so we assume they aren't.

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