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17 juin 2021 à 15 h 6
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I don’t think Toews was bad tho; I mean I think the general consensus by fans (who aren’t experts) was that Toews was a great pickup. And I think a lot of fans thought the Isles traded their best defender (if it wasn’t Pulock in their eyes).

Even if the GMs don’t love Toews, fans and analysts loved Toews for Colorado. It was more of a light hearted “hot take”, but that doesn’t excuse the swindling, or bette put; poor sale by Lou.

And Toews himself look phenomenal a lot, I don’t think he was carried (I know you don’t think he was an anchor).


Toews was brutal in the playoffs - that’s what half the isles fanbase uses to justify trading him, obviously it’s extremely dumb to trade a 27 year old two way D based on 10 bad games in a bubble. During the regular season he provided top pairing value.

From an analytics perspective , pulock was better than Toews last season. Pulock was top 3 in WAR and his GF/60 was over 2 SD. IMO the “isles traded their best defender” takes spread pretty fast after all the analytics accounts on Twitter posted their charts showing that Toews was a top 30 defenseman. It was just an easy way to clown on the isles and their fans and make it like the isles defense was left with nothing.

Of course analysts thought it was a good move, but they thought of Toews as a solid top 4 puck moving D, not a top pairing D that can have a Norris caliber impact.

Toews was great this season, but his GF/60 skyrocketed because he played with better finishers and the avs have 3 incredible lines. He wasn’t carried, but playing with stars increases production. Toews didn’t drive play offensively as well as he did last season with the isles but he put up more points and his GF\60 was almost 3 SD higher.

Pelech, pulock, Toews are all top 20 D this season.
1. Pelech
2. Toews
3. Pulock
17 juin 2021 à 15 h 11
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Quoting: yikes
I don’t think Toews was bad tho; I mean I think the general consensus by fans (who aren’t experts) was that Toews was a great pickup. And I think a lot of fans thought the Isles traded their best defender (if it wasn’t Pulock in their eyes).

Even if the GMs don’t love Toews, fans and analysts loved Toews for Colorado. It was more of a light hearted “hot take”, but that doesn’t excuse the swindling, or better put; poor sale by Lou. The consensus by fans and analysts was that Colorado got a steal. Which even if your GM doesn’t think it was; if those outside your team know a trade better than you do and it ends up with the result predicted (Colorados late 2nds and Toews playing great) by fans. Then the issue is poor asset management if fans know more then you.

And Toews himself look phenomenal a good chunk of games, I don’t think he was carried (I know you don’t think he was an anchor). #7 looked great a ton for Colorado in the games I watched and had some good games in this playoffs. He wasn’t spectacular overall and he definitely had some good linemates (Makar and Girard for starters consistently) but he definitely wasn’t a slouch. And he had some great linemates in NYI I’d assume (Pulock or Pelech?)


Btw Toews was solid during this years playoffs, I’m talking about last year in the bubble
17 juin 2021 à 15 h 20
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Pulock and Pelech are a pairing, at least now and their one of the best underrated D pairings



17 juin 2021 à 18 h 10
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Ahead of tonight, I think Tampa is gonna somehow weather the storm that is the Isles home crowd.

5-3 Tampa (EN goal for the 5th, so basically 4-3)
17 juin 2021 à 18 h 42
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Score Prediction: 4-3 Islanders
17 juin 2021 à 18 h 55
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Prediction 4-1 TBL
17 juin 2021 à 19 h 0
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The people on this thread are pretty nice and knowledgeable so I just wanted to share this


And everyone on the other pages that would normally respond 2 this are on this thread anyway lol
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17 juin 2021 à 19 h 4
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not predicting the score but I’m feeling some positive regression for Anthony Beauvillier. Leads all forwards in high danger chances but is 26th in goals.
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17 juin 2021 à 19 h 42
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 4
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LETS GO!!! ROD JUST WON THE JACK ADAMS!!!
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 13
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A bit late, but here's my prediction:
5-2 Isles

For some reason I'm not expecting a good night from Vasy. Islanders will also be hot with the home ice advantage.
17 juin 2021 à 20 h 40
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LETS GO!!! ROD JUST WON THE JACK ADAMS!!!


At least they got this one right today.

Didn't he official extend today too?
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 45
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At least they got this one right today.

Didn't he official extend today too?


Yeah he did. On a 3 year deal I think.
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 46
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At least they got this one right today.

Didn't he official extend today too?


Yes he did. What a day. Not sure what the AAV is yet though.
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 47
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Quoting: Dzinger18
LETS GO!!! ROD JUST WON THE JACK ADAMS!!!


Congrats to Rod! He got a nice extension with his Jack Adams Award.

Ruff snubbed though
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 48
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Quoting: Devil1122
Congrats to Rod! He got a nice extension with his Jack Adams Award.

Ruff snubbed though


Enough with the Ruff snubbed, what about Ralph Krueger? I thought he was a lock to win it.
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 49
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Enough with the Ruff snubbed, what about Ralph Krueger? I thought he was a lock to win it.


Idk why the Sabres fired him

That's probably why Eichel wants out
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17 juin 2021 à 20 h 50
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Quoting: Devil1122
Congrats to Rod! He got a nice extension with his Jack Adams Award.

Ruff snubbed though


Quoting: Dzinger18
Enough with the Ruff snubbed, what about Ralph Krueger? I thought he was a lock to win it.


Boys we all knew it was supposed to be Bowness. The NHL and Bettman are afraid of him and Comeau so they snubbed him.
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 8
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Boys we all knew it was supposed to be Bowness. The NHL and Bettman are afraid of him and Comeau so they snubbed him.


yo anyone else think this guy likes comeau?
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 9
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yo anyone else think this guy likes comeau?


Read my flair.
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 10
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yo anyone else think this guy likes comeau?


Yeah they seem to be pretty close.
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 28
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Yeah they seem to be pretty close.


If I ever get in the ring with him, his face will be very close to my fist. They’ll get along just fine, but when he meets the canvas he’ll have another close friend.

PS: determination>skill, and that’s why I think I could upset Comeau.
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 31
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34 Days until Expansion Draft
36 Days until the 2021 NHL Draft
41 Days until Free Agency
117 Days until the regular season starts
191 Days until Christmas
303 Days until the Leafs lose in the 1st round
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17 juin 2021 à 21 h 43
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Cernak wtf
17 juin 2021 à 21 h 43
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bergevin being in the final three is a joke. they literally just picked the underdog teams and zito.

his marquee signing this offseason has 2 points.


Toffoli was scoring at a 44 goal, 69 point pace in the regular season. Now he’s on a 32 goal, 76 point pace in the playoffs. The fact that Montréal is in the 3rd round, and the value Toffoli has brought for his contract would be enough to say that he’s done the most to help his team in the past year out of any of the 4 remaining teams. And that’s paired with Perry, Edmundson, and Allen, who have all been very important to the habs this year.

Whether or not you think Bergevin’s overall body of work is good or not, it’s only your personal bias that would cause anyone to say that he hasn’t done the best job in the past calendar year of helping his team win.
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