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Eichel

Créé par: Shibbal18
Date de création initiale: mai 12, 2021
Publié: 12 mai à 23 h 09
Équipe: 2021-22 Capitals de Washington
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Lundkvist, Nils3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Snively, Joe1750 000 $
Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel1750 000 $
Pilon, Garrett1750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Raffl, Michael1750 000 $
LaDue, Paul1750 000 $
Lundqvist, Henrik1750 000 $
Sgarbossa, Michael1750 000 $
Chara, Zdeno1750 000 $
Ovechkin, Alex210 000 001 $
Dzingel, Ryan22 000 000 $
Transactions
WSH
  1. Strome, Ryan
  2. Schneider, Braden
  3. Lundkvist, Nils [Liste de réserve]
NYR
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
WSH
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Eller, Lars
  2. Oshie, T.J.
  3. McMichael, Connor
  4. Samsonov, Ilya [Droits de RFA]
  5. Lapierre, Hendrix
WSH
    SEA
    1. Dillon, Brenden
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    2021
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    ARI
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    2022
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    2023
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
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    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    WSH
    Ovechkin, Alex
    10 000 001 $
    AG, AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Bäckström, Nicklas
    9 200 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Wilson, Tom
    5 166 666 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Sheary, Conor
    1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Mantha, Anthony
    5 700 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    Dzingel, Ryan
    2 000 000 $
    AG, AD, C
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Strome, Ryan
    4 500 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Hathaway, Garnet
    1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Hagelin, Carl
    2 750 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Dowd, Nic
    750 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Sprong, Daniel
    725 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Orlov, Dmitry
    5 100 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Carlson, John
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Lundqvist, Henrik
    750 000 $
    G
    UFA
    WSH
    Kempný, Michal
    2 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Schultz, Justin
    4 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Vanecek, Vitek
    716 667 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Chara, Zdeno
    750 000 $
    DG
    UFA
    WSH
    Jensen, Nick
    2 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    Sgarbossa, Michael
    750 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
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    van Riemsdyk, Trevor
    950 000 $
    DD
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    WSH
    Raffl, Michael
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    AG, AD
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    12 mai à 23 h 10
    #1
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    That trade for Eichel isn't even in the right galaxy.
    12 mai à 23 h 11
    #2
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    That trade for Eichel isn't even in the right galaxy.


    Ive seen worse. I was gunna add a 1st but then that was 6 pieces
    12 mai à 23 h 13
    #3
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Ive seen worse. I was gunna add a 1st but then that was 6 pieces

    Quantity ≠ Quality
    12 mai à 23 h 14
    #4
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Quantity ≠ Quality


    I think theres both
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    12 mai à 23 h 15
    #5
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    Modifié 13 mai à 8 h 32. Raison: Previous post was uncalled for, i generally like shibbal's insight.
    Don't get me wrong i like hendrix lapierre. I just don't like your Eichel deal Sticking Out Tongue, i'd like to see one of the players be a little more exciting. I know im not getting frosted flakes but can i atleast get some raisins in the oatmeal mom!
    12 mai à 23 h 32
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Quantity ≠ Quality


    I agree there's not enough quality for eichel. Also think that's way way too much for kuznetsov. At the very least take one of the prospects out
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    12 mai à 23 h 37
    #7
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    That trade for Eichel isn't even in the right galaxy.


    You’re telling me you’re going to ask for more than 3 high ceiling players for Eichel? McMichael and Lapierre both project to be top 6 skilled centers. Samsonov projects to be a high end starting goalie. Oshie is an effective top 6 forward who has shown absolutely zero signs of aging when everyone keeps saying he’s going to slow down. He just won’t. And Eller is arguably one of the best 3Cs in the league, and on a great contract. This is a fair Eichel trade, in fact I would say no if I were the caps. I’m not trading our two best center prospects on top of our best goalie, an important top 6 forward, and the best 3C in the league. Not worth it to me.
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    12 mai à 23 h 39
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    I wouldn't even do Strome for Kuznetsov at this point in their careers
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    13 mai à 0 h 40
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    Quoting: lmed
    I wouldn't even do Strome for Kuznetsov at this point in their careers


    And honestly, I don’t blame you. Strome is younger, more consistent, and less problematic off the ice.
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    13 mai à 0 h 51
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    Quoting: lmed
    I wouldn't even do Strome for Kuznetsov at this point in their careers


    Yep that Kuznetsov trade is so bad. Kuznetsov for Strome straight up would be closer but ya Washington would probably have to add to that especially with kuzy cap hit or at least retain salary.
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    13 mai à 2 h 21
    #11
    Caps fan idk why
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    Modifié 13 mai à 2 h 30
    Quoting: Mediumyeet
    Yep that Kuznetsov trade is so bad. Kuznetsov for Strome straight up would be closer but ya Washington would probably have to add to that especially with kuzy cap hit or at least retain salary.


    Lmfao what?! **** that. Kuzy is becoming under rated on this site. JFC.
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    13 mai à 2 h 31
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Lmfao what?! **** that. Kuzy is becoming under on this site. JFC.


    His production has declined for 3 consecutive seasons. He is 29 with 4 years left at 7.8m and has had off ice issues.

    Don't get me wrong I still like the player but don't know if he will be worth that contract for the next 4 years. Strome has played really well the past 2 seasons with or without panarin and doesn't come with the big price tag.

    I would consider a Strome for Kuzy trade one for one and might just accept but it's not a no brainer to me.
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    13 mai à 7 h 28
    #13
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    You’re telling me you’re going to ask for more than 3 high ceiling players for Eichel? McMichael and Lapierre both project to be top 6 skilled centers. Samsonov projects to be a high end starting goalie. Oshie is an effective top 6 forward who has shown absolutely zero signs of aging when everyone keeps saying he’s going to slow down. He just won’t. And Eller is arguably one of the best 3Cs in the league, and on a great contract. This is a fair Eichel trade, in fact I would say no if I were the caps. I’m not trading our two best center prospects on top of our best goalie, an important top 6 forward, and the best 3C in the league. Not worth it to me.

    You're too close to it, since you're obviously a Caps fan. I am a fan of neither team and I'm telling you, that is not the package that does it. For starters, GMs like their "own guys", so draft picks have much more weight than prospects, so unless you have inside information that Adams was in love with Hendrix or McMichael and has been stewing about not getting them in the draft, it doesn't matter how much you love them, they're not worth more than future 1sts to another GM. Samsonov has shown cracks this season and the fact is, goalies just aren't worth much in a trade. Every season you could pluck some random UFA off the scrap heap and start them and they could compete for the Vezina, that's just how strange that position is and trade value, even for proven goalies, reflects that. As for Eller and Oshie, yes, they're very good in their roles... and aging. Those are not pieces that move the needle on a top 5 center in the league, who still has term and is still pretty young. I'm not saying it's a crap pile, just that it wouldn't be the return that would get that trade done. Think more like McMichael, Hendrix, and 2 1sts.

    I'm not even saying that this would be a smart trade for Washington. As a matter of fact, I think Eichel to Washington makes zero sense for the Caps due to the assets they'd have to give up, their current team chemistry and capspace. It's just not a fit.
    13 mai à 8 h 39
    #14
    Icedragon4405
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    I am a Caps fan and I think that this Eichel trade would be a horrible move by the caps. For them in their current state it's not worth it to make that trade. Eichel needs to go to a team that is on the rise, a team that is coming out of a rebuild and just on the edge of being a contender, that is where Eichel needs to go. The Caps only have another 3-5 years before a rebuild, as much as I hate to say it.
    13 mai à 12 h 40
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    You're too close to it, since you're obviously a Caps fan. I am a fan of neither team and I'm telling you, that is not the package that does it. For starters, GMs like their "own guys", so draft picks have much more weight than prospects, so unless you have inside information that Adams was in love with Hendrix or McMichael and has been stewing about not getting them in the draft, it doesn't matter how much you love them, they're not worth more than future 1sts to another GM. Samsonov has shown cracks this season and the fact is, goalies just aren't worth much in a trade. Every season you could pluck some random UFA off the scrap heap and start them and they could compete for the Vezina, that's just how strange that position is and trade value, even for proven goalies, reflects that. As for Eller and Oshie, yes, they're very good in their roles... and aging. Those are not pieces that move the needle on a top 5 center in the league, who still has term and is still pretty young. I'm not saying it's a crap pile, just that it wouldn't be the return that would get that trade done. Think more like McMichael, Hendrix, and 2 1sts.

    I'm not even saying that this would be a smart trade for Washington. As a matter of fact, I think Eichel to Washington makes zero sense for the Caps due to the assets they'd have to give up, their current team chemistry and capspace. It's just not a fit.


    I understand that a little more, but I think you might be undervaluing Samsonov. I agree it doesn't make sense to include Oshie and Eller in an Eichel trade. It might hurt us in the long run, but I would be willing to throw in both McMichael and Lapierre in an Eichel trade. It's just a matter of what other pieces get included. I think it would make more sense to do Alexyev over Lapierre, but chances are a deal will never come to fruition for these two teams regardless.
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    13 mai à 12 h 45
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    I understand that a little more, but I think you might be undervaluing Samsonov. I agree it doesn't make sense to include Oshie and Eller in an Eichel trade. It might hurt us in the long run, but I would be willing to throw in both McMichael and Lapierre in an Eichel trade. It's just a matter of what other pieces get included. I think it would make more sense to do Alexyev over Lapierre, but chances are a deal will never come to fruition for these two teams regardless.


    Oshie and Eller = Cap space, Sabres take that culture
    13 mai à 13 h 12
    #17
    Caps fan idk why
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    And honestly, I don’t blame you. Strome is younger, more consistent, and less problematic off the ice.


    Strome w Panarin 20-21 5v5

    50.83Cf% 50.16FF% 24 gf 16 ga 60.00gf% 49.99xgf%

    19-20
    50.75cf% 51.56FF% 72gf 41ga 63.72 gf% 54.31xgf%
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    Strome w/o Panarin
    20-21
    45.12cf% 44.99ff% 13gf 16ga 44.83gf% 53.09xgf%

    19-20
    45.03cf% 44.81ff% 22gf 26ga 45.83gf% 48.68xgf%

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    20-21
    56gp 14g 35a 49p

    29points at 5v5... 20 special teams points (18pp 2sh)
    24gf w Panarin 13gf without 5v5 .... roughly 65% of his 5v5 production w Panarin.
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    19-20
    70gp 18g 41a 59p

    42points 5v5 (17p pp)
    72gf w panarin 22gf w/o panarin ...roughly 77% of his 5v5 production was Panarin
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    Panarin is easily the best winger in hockey imo so its not crazy to think Stromes stats are looking beefy playing along side him

    season before Panarin
    18-19.... 81gp 19g 16a 35p
    17-18....82gp 13g 21a 34p
    16-17....69gp 13g 17a 30p
    15-16.....71gp 8g 20a 28p

    so unless the Rangers send the Capitals Panarin with him they aren't equal players.

    people saying they wouldn't trade Strome for Kuzy
    13 mai à 13 h 14
    #18
    Caps fan idk why
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    Quoting: Mediumyeet
    His production has declined for 3 consecutive seasons. He is 29 with 4 years left at 7.8m and has had off ice issues.

    Don't get me wrong I still like the player but don't know if he will be worth that contract for the next 4 years. Strome has played really well the past 2 seasons with or without panarin and doesn't come with the big price tag.

    I would consider a Strome for Kuzy trade one for one and might just accept but it's not a no brainer to me.


    Strome w Panarin 20-21 5v5

    50.83Cf% 50.16FF% 24 gf 16 ga 60.00gf% 49.99xgf%

    19-20
    50.75cf% 51.56FF% 72gf 41ga 63.72 gf% 54.31xgf%
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Strome w/o Panarin
    20-21
    45.12cf% 44.99ff% 13gf 16ga 44.83gf% 53.09xgf%

    19-20
    45.03cf% 44.81ff% 22gf 26ga 45.83gf% 48.68xgf%

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    20-21
    56gp 14g 35a 49p

    29points at 5v5... 20 special teams points (18pp 2sh)
    24gf w Panarin 13gf without 5v5 .... roughly 65% of his 5v5 production w Panarin.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    19-20
    70gp 18g 41a 59p

    42points 5v5 (17p pp)
    72gf w panarin 22gf w/o panarin ...roughly 77% of his 5v5 production was Panarin
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Panarin is easily the best winger in hockey imo so its not crazy to think Stromes stats are looking beefy playing along side him

    season before Panarin
    18-19.... 81gp 19g 16a 35p
    17-18....82gp 13g 21a 34p
    16-17....69gp 13g 17a 30p
    15-16.....71gp 8g 20a 28p

    so unless the Rangers send the Capitals Panarin with him they aren't equal players.

    people saying they wouldn't trade Strom for Kuzy

    i disagree
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    13 mai à 13 h 18
    #19
    Caps fan idk why
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    I understand that a little more, but I think you might be undervaluing Samsonov. I agree it doesn't make sense to include Oshie and Eller in an Eichel trade. It might hurt us in the long run, but I would be willing to throw in both McMichael and Lapierre in an Eichel trade. It's just a matter of what other pieces get included. I think it would make more sense to do Alexyev over Lapierre, but chances are a deal will never come to fruition for these two teams regardless.


    Mcmichael had 13 more points than Quinn last year in the OHL. they are the same birth year. Quinn was draft 8oa. Mcmichael isnt a nothing prospect. carelessly giving away prospects is how Forsberg trades happen. Eichel wants out of Buffalo also i imagine they have little leverage.
    13 mai à 13 h 27
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Mcmichael had 13 more points than Quinn last year in the OHL. they are the same birth year. Quinn was draft 8oa. Mcmichael isnt a nothing prospect. carelessly giving away prospects is how Forsberg trades happen. Eichel wants out of Buffalo also i imagine they have little leverage.


    Multiple teams want Eichel so leverage doent matter
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    13 mai à 13 h 33
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Multiple teams want Eichel so leverage doent matter


    idont doubt that but Eichel can literally threaten to not go to the new team.... i think competitive teams can make offers but idk if theyll get multiple top prospects / high end roster players... i could be wrong
    13 mai à 13 h 45
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    idont doubt that but Eichel can literally threaten to not go to the new team.... i think competitive teams can make offers but idk if theyll get multiple top prospects / high end roster players... i could be wrong


    Eichel doesnt have an nmc yet
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    13 mai à 13 h 47
    #23
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Eichel doesnt have an nmc yet


    wtf didnt he get a NMC? seems like something you should have....does he even have a NTC? his agent dropped the ball there ...but i guess he didnt see this coming
    13 mai à 13 h 54
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    wtf didnt he get a NMC? seems like something you should have....does he even have a NTC? his agent dropped the ball there ...but i guess he didnt see this coming


    Not till next summer, they probably assumed that the first 4 years of his contract couldnt go that bad rofl
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    13 mai à 13 h 59
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Not till next summer, they probably assumed that the first 4 years of his contract couldnt go that bad rofl


    oooppppps lol
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