Turcotte has more value than kakko.

No he doesn’t.

he doesnt but the difference between them isint a top 10 pick

Would you rather a $30 dollar scratch ticket that has been scratched off and is a loser, or a $20 unscratched one?

This is the correct answer folks

This is incredibly short sighted. The Krejci signing will really limit your ability to resign Kravtsov and Fox next year.

You can't say that after 2 years

I hope the trade happens after the draft so we can dispense with the $1 loose change lotto tickets that are the 21 first rounders.

Fair. Would you rather a $30 scratcher with 2/3 of the numbers scratched off (all losers), or an unscratched $20 ticket?

More like ⅓

Sure if you say so. I would certainly rather turcotte by a healthy margin.

Lol, no. Kaako sucks

So you're saying Kakko's a bust?
I mean- please...both players are the same age- Kakko has 2 yrs NHL experience to 0 for Turcotte. Yes- Kakko's 1st year was underwhelming- chalk that up to a busy year and a big adjustment...by the playoff play in he was a much improved player...and that continued this year. The guy back checks like a beast, is tough to get off the puck, and is noticeable every time on the the ice. The points may or may not come in abundance- but doesn't matter- dude is really starting to contribute. Not slighting Turc at all...in the end he may be the better player...but right now he is still a lottery ticket- as you say. I am not familiar enough with Turc's development to have a real feel as to what he will be...but I know what Kakko is- a good, young, NHL player- with a lot of runway still in front of him.

You may notice a couple posts below i slightly altered my analogy. It was meant to be hyperbolic.

No, I’m not saying kakko is a bust. I’m saying that his performance in the NHL has hurt his trade value, rather than helped it.

If that's the way you see it then hey- we're all entitled to our opinions...I just don't see that as a fair take...we have been spoiled with guys like McDavid and Mathews in recent years...but to expect a guy to light the world on fire right out of the gate is just not realistic- there's just so many issues- cultural (for Europeans), maturity, strength, etc. I've seen enough to guess that Kakko will never be McDavid or Mathews- but that doesn't suppress Kakko's value- rather it puts the value of those guys to the moon. And I bet Connor McD and Austin Mathews would LOVE to have a player on their line who brings to the table what Kakko does.

Well, i don’t think they would, because he doesn’t really bring much of anything besides some decent defensive play.

Let’s take a look at some top ten picks from the past decade or so that didn’t light the world on fire when joining the league:
Well do 2006-16 for the sake of not judging too fast.
06: James Sheppard - started slow, and i don’t even remember who he is.
07: 3rd overall Kyle Turris - he had that one good year, but he started slow, and he kinda sucks.
7th overall Sam gagner has just always been mediocre.
2009: Kadri kind of started slow, but they bounced him up and down between the NHL and the minors his first couple years. Kind of a weird case.
Jared Cowan started real slow. And he sucked. Same with Paajarvi.
2010: want to make an argument for seguin? I guess i would sort of give it to you. They played him in a very minimal role his rookie year, and then he popped out for a 29 goal, 67 point campaign in his second season.
Ryan Johansen had a couple slow seasons before a 30 goal year, then falling back to mediocrity.
Brett Connolly was a very slow starter, i think he’s had one 20 goal year. Nothing to write home about.
Alexander burmistrov....yikes.
2011: Hey, here’s a guy that helps your case, and he’s a ranger. Mika Zibanejad. Late bloomer.
Couturier is another one, but it took him about 7 years to find a scoring tough.
2012: Nail? Bleh
Galchenyuk had an okay start, climbed to his one 30 goal year, then fell into waiver land.
2013: Hey, Barkov had a coupe .5 ppg years before becoming a big time player. Better than kakko, but reason for hope.
Bo Horvat, kind of same story. Better start than kakko, but a bit of a late bloomer.
2014: Sam Bennett
Despite a solid year this year, i think nick ritchie stinks.
2015: Dylan Strome sort of turned it around until a horrid year this year i guess?
Zacha started slow and stayed slow.
2016: nylander had a rough start, and it hasn’t improved much.
Same can be said for Tyson jost.


The point is, with guys drafted in the top ten, it’s actually really rare for them to be a late bloomer. That makes a lot of sense, they had the talent developed already.

Thats some good research- have some good examples there...but you have to remember a few things:
1) These guys are all top 10 picks- but Kakko is a #2...a consensus #2 from a widely acknowledged very good draft class...of course time will show how accurate that is. That said- much higher expectations are involved with a #2 vs a #6,7,or #10...but with those high expectations, they are there for a reason- the same reason why you don't give up on the player after a year or two.
2) Most of the examples you list- we have the advantage of hindsight- Kakko's not here long enough to have that. Sure- if he shows regression the next few years we can have a negative opinion on his development...but so far he has shown nothing to indicate the hype that surrounded him at the draft was just hype....and if he develops into "just" a defensive type player- the team does need guys like that in the lineup as well...but don't confuse this with me accepting a Jesper Fast or Carl Hagelin type ceiling- both good players- just a much higher ceiling expected from a #2- even if defensive play, play along the boards, and back checking are his strengths.

What that list was meant to show is that guys that jump into the league with a slow start drafted in the top ten rarely turn it around. I used top ten to be nice, it gets worse if it’s just top five guys.

Sure, kakko could turn it around, but history is certainly working against him here.

Not sure what Kakko has to "turn around"...I've acknowledged that at times Kakko seemed "in over his head " during his 1st year...a year which he began at 18yo...following a very rigorous draft year schedule (which included playing with MEN in Finland), 1000s of miles from home, not familiar with NYC or the American culture, knowing little English- all the while learning how to make it in the best, fastest hockey league in the world. Year #2 has shown enormous growth as a player. Back checks...tough along the boards....back checks....strong with possession....a nuisance to play against....and did I fail to mention back checks like a beast? Now are the point totals there yet? obviously not...but he has shown that they can come. Continued development and (well deserved) consistent top 6 deployment and I'm sure decent #'s will follow...but as far as the turn around you mention- he already had that- last year when play resumed for the playoff play in- might have been the team's best player (even though that says little, lol) for that short series...this guy has a real good future in front of him.