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Weber needs to go somehow

Créé par: RoyBoy
Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 6 mai 2021
Publié: 6 mai 2021
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  1. Duchene, Matt
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Each of them have five years left on their deal and are underproducing. Who pays more in this deal? Or is this a fair one-for-one?
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    Seattle Expansion Draft
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    1. Amadio, Michael [Droits de RFA]
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    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TBL)
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    1. Ekholm, Mattias (1 875 000 $ retained)
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    1. Chiarot, Ben
    2. Fleury, Cale [Droits de RFA]
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
    4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CHI)
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    1. Ristolainen, Rasmus (2 700 000 $ retained)
    2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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    2. Ikonen, Joni [Liste de réserve]
    3. Tuch, Luke [Liste de réserve]
    4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (MTL)
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    1. Sekera, Andrej (750 000 $ retained)
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    DAL: Brett Kulak (from MTL)
    OTT: 2022 5th (from MTL), retain $750k on Sekera
    MTL: Andrej Sekera (from DAL), Logan Shaw (from OTT)
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    Compensation for retaining on Sekera (3-way deal)
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    1. Hill, Adin [Droits de RFA]
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    This trade is before the Expansion Draft. We take hill from Arizona so that they don’t have to leave him exposed and lose him for nothing. Seattle will pick Allen over Hill (due to experience and being on a great contract). I would also not mind sending Seattle a 4th to guarantee they don’t pick Hill. We then sign Hill to a one year deal for cheap to split time with Price
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    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 41
    #1
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    MTL decline, Weber WILL retired before the end of is contract not Duchene
    OTT decline they would want more and MTL wont be welling to pay to get rid of Byron contract
    NSH decline the Ekholm trade, no quality going outside the 1st and Fleury is decent but not quality
    MTL decline the Ristolainen trade, take out Tuch and it's more fair
    Kulak >>>>>> Sekera
    I'm fine with the ARI trade
    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 45
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    Quoting: GMs
    MTL decline, Weber WILL retired before the end of is contract not Duchene
    OTT decline they would want more and MTL wont be welling to pay to get rid of Byron contract
    NSH decline the Ekholm trade, no quality going outside the 1st and Fleury is decent but not quality
    MTL decline the Ristolainen trade, take out Tuch and it's more fair
    Kulak >>>>>> Sekera
    I'm fine with the ARI trade

    As MTL, I’m willing to get more speed out of the Weber deal. I’m not bothered by him potentially retiring sooner

    Ottawa can have our first, but if it costs another pick, I’d be willing to do it

    Nashville might not get too many better offers from teams for Ekholm. I see this as a win-win

    Willing to take Tuch out of the Risto deal. Just thought that Drouin doesn’t hold as much value as others see, and the retained salary would cost a little more

    Kulak trade is purely for cap space. Trust me, I’d rather have him too
    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 50
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    I would rather have Sekera than Kulak, and certainly if we’re retaining I wouldn’t do it. Technically we’d be paying Kulak 2.6 million.
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    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 53
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    Quoting: EsoYeezus69
    I would rather have Sekera than Kulak, and certainly if we’re retaining I wouldn’t do it. Technically we’d be paying Kulak 2.6 million.


    Never mind on the retained part, my point still stands for the other one though.
    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 58
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    Imo that Weber-Duchene trade is an interesting idea. People saying Weber will retire before that contract expires can't say this for sure. Why would he walk away from some good money? If he falls of a cliff, he'll become a huge problem for MTL. Duchene's much more likely to rebound...

    I reckon ARI is going to deal Kuemper and protect Hill. They don't really have no future goalie prospects, Hill is decent goalie and could take the reins in there. Kuemper has one year left and ARI can't really rely their future on a pending UFA.
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    6 mai 2021 à 23 h 59
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    Hamilton gets 9M+ on his next contract. Can't see him getting less than Pietrangelo being just as good and 2 years younger when he signs.

    Duchene has a much better chance of bouncing back and becoming a 60 point player. Weber is just old he won't bounce back. Upside with Weber is he might retire before the end of his contract but then again he may not. Chara is 3 years older than Weber will be at the end of his contract.

    If the Canadians are close to winning the cup I don't see Weber retiring. If somehow they start a rebuild I think the chance of Weber retiring is much higher.
    7 mai 2021 à 0 h 1
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Imo that Weber-Duchene trade is an interesting idea. People saying Weber will retire before that contract expires can't say this for sure. Why would he walk away from some good money? If he falls of a cliff, he'll become a huge problem for MTL. Duchene's much more likely to rebound...

    I reckon ARI is going to deal Kuemper and protect Hill. They don't really have no future goalie prospects, Hill is decent goalie and could take the reins in there. Kuemper has one year left and ARI can't really rely their future on a pending UFA.


    To be fair Weber only makes 1M in the last 3 years of his current contract which is peanuts to him. I don't think he'll retire if the Canadians are cup contenders though seeing as he hasn't won a cup yet.
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    7 mai 2021 à 0 h 2
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    To be fair Weber only makes 1M in the last 3 years of his current contract which is peanuts to him. I don't think he'll retire if the Canadians are cup contenders though seeing as he hasn't won a cup yet.


    Hm. Fair point actually.
    7 mai 2021 à 0 h 10
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    Quoting: RoyBoy
    As MTL, I’m willing to get more speed out of the Weber deal. I’m not bothered by him potentially retiring sooner

    Ottawa can have our first, but if it costs another pick, I’d be willing to do it

    Nashville might not get too many better offers from teams for Ekholm. I see this as a win-win

    Willing to take Tuch out of the Risto deal. Just thought that Drouin doesn’t hold as much value as others see, and the retained salary would cost a little more

    Kulak trade is purely for cap space. Trust me, I’d rather have him too


    The Byron one doesn't seem that far off, maybe add a 4th and switch Amadio for like Davidsson.
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    7 mai 2021 à 1 h 17
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    About 6 days after the playoffs start he'll be going home....
    7 mai 2021 à 2 h 10
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    tfw habs fans are forced to come to terms with the fact they really did lose the subban trade.
    7 mai 2021 à 2 h 14
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    Quoting: Byrr
    tfw habs fans are forced to come to terms with the fact they really did lose the subban trade.


    Nawh, Habs fan just have to stop being stupid. Weber is still our 2nd best defender and is our leader. They have no problem ****ting on him, but don't bat an eye to Edmundson's consistent giveaways or Chiarot's skates filled with concrete.
    7 mai 2021 à 7 h 18
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    To be fair Weber only makes 1M in the last 3 years of his current contract which is peanuts to him. I don't think he'll retire if the Canadians are cup contenders though seeing as he hasn't won a cup yet.


    1M$ worth of peanuts is a lot of peanuts 😉

    In the words of Homer Simspon ...

    "Money can be exchanged for goods & services"
    7 mai 2021 à 7 h 20
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    Idk just always dicey when the D is outscoring the F

    Duchene > Weber due to age and Corsi etc.

    But hey it's somewhat interesting
    7 mai 2021 à 10 h 24
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    Weber for Duchene is an interesting deal. As a Nashville fan, I'd do it and then trade Ellis.

    Run
    Josi Fabbro
    Ekholm Carrier
    Farrance Weber

    Weber would stabilize a young player like Farrance and In a more limited role that pairing should be good on paper. Other upside for that deal is to begin working down the cap recapture penalty for Nashville. So if even Duchene were to have slightly higher value due to age/corsi/etc the additional benefit of working down the cap recapture for Nashville is worth it.

    As for the Ekholm deal, getting Weber would lead to trading a RHD (Ellis) so Ekholm would likely stay at that point.
    7 mai 2021 à 10 h 46
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    OTT declines.

    5th isnt enough to ask OTT to retain. Melnyk is cheap as ****

    OTT also declines the Byron trade.

    2nd isnt enough to take Byron
     
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