Avs decline. They'll want more or be content with whoever the Kraken takes.

This infatuation by Vancouver with Graves in tonnes of AGM's is cute. Avs will most likely just let Seattle take whoever and go from there rather than trying to outsmart the system.

I don’t see Nill going anywhere near Virtanen. I don’t see the Stars and Nucks trading any time soon tbh. The owners hate each other. You’re most likely stuck with Virtanen until he gets cleared

Pretty much my thought.

I agree. Odds of that trade are basically Nill

It’s a consensus. If Compher has close to zero value Virtanen has negative value. While I think COL would listen and even consider a Graves trade they have zero interest in a 2021 2nd rounder. Remember whatever is offered for Graves has to be enticing enough for not only COL to accept that part of the trade but to be willing to lose another player in the XD.

couldnt be more wrong about the avs part and players and like other said the fact you think Virtanen has value to bring back an asset and compher doesnt....man oh man I think you are going to be in for a world of disappointment with Benning this offseason to see how he butchers this roster once again

Graves is either leaving for a overpayment or in the ED.. and if it's an overpayment it any players will have to be ED exempt or ot would be a waste

Exactly

Compher carries cap that COL needs. I don't understand why the avs fans on this website are so crazy high on him. Discord avs fans seem to be overjoyed at the thought of losing him, almost begging to throw him off to seattle. They aren't really uninformed idiots either. Why do you want to cling on to a 3.5M bottom sixer that has struggled for large extents of the season if that 3.5m can be devoted somewhere else? You have more pressing uses for 3.5m than Compher.

I'm greatly unsure of how anyone thinks graves is worth more than a 2nd any more. Heck, I even factored in Sakic's fleecing to go with the high 2nd instead.


I do understand the Virtanen argument - I suggest he carries something but Compher doesn't. Note the term and money difference, also the Bennett treatment. High draft picks from years past do tend to stick on the radar. It's not like Dickinson is a top notch player either. I'm not like the rest of the fanbase who still thinks he has significant levels of value. Wasn't aware of the ownership dispute with DAL though.

Compher has had a bad season no but he has produced offense at a higher rate than Virtanen .39 vs .32 ppg, he plays on special teams and he can play all 3 forward positions. Avs fans have always had to have a whipping boy and Compher with his struggles and cap hit is an easy target. Compher’s contract isn’t as bad as fans make it out to be because they have enough cap space to get done what needs to be done and his contract expires when MacK does. Some food for thought on Compher is he is playing shot share and xGD the best of career while playing a definitely more slanted defensive role. Throw in the sexual assault allegations the benching last year for supposed effort reasons and there is no way Virtanen has any trade value. Cutting ties with Compher now (outside of the XD) is just selling low on him.

Graves personally I agree with you. Imo he’s a third pairing guy that has gotten a lot of pump league wide by just playing competently with great partners. He is almost the antithesis of Compher in that the Avs would be selling high on him. I think a 2nd rd pick for a guy that can log 18 minutes not hurt you playing in the top 4 and killing penalties is fair. My question for him is how does he perform when he isn’t playing with a Makar, Girard or Toews type, because I do think he is prone to the bad pinch, and those type of guys can cover for him with their top notch skating.

That’s my assessment trying to be as objective as possible.

I see what you did there lol

Name one example of a team taking nothing instead of something for a player they don't have a spot on their roster for at their position? They gonna take away playing time from Byram or Girard or Toews or Makar or Timmins to give Graves more than bottom pair minutes?

Most GMs will learn from the Vegas Exp Draft. They will accept losing a decent player, it's just how it is. They won't spend assets to try to persuade the Kraken to take a certain player. In this trade, they're trading Graves for less than his value and then losing another decent player on top. Simple bad asset management.

If you think Graves is worth more than a early 2nd rounder, then there's issues. Graves ain't worth a first. This pick is probably #33-37. I thought I was overpaying.

Graves is worth a second plus. Not a first.