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In Case People are Still Wondering About Lucic NMC

Créé par: PhatRas
Équipe: 2021-22 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 4 mai 2021
Publié: 4 mai 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/need-retool-flames-roster-affects-seattle-expansion-draft-situation/

Article above says that he has officially agreed to waive his NMC for the expansion draft which means the protection list will likely look like:

7F
Lindholm
Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
Dube
Backlund

3D (There's just no way they protect Gio over any of the guys below)
Hanifin
Tanev
Andersson

1G
Markstrom

Exposed
Lucic
Ritchie (My guess, could be any player they sign)
Giordano
Kylington
Parsons
UFA's/Prospects
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1750 000 $
1900 000 $
1900 000 $
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
22 975 000 $
1750 000 $
22 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1850 000 $
1750 000 $
55 375 000 $
24 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
    Expansion
    2.
    CGY
    1. Olofsson, Victor
    2. Thompson, Tage
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (BOS)
    3.
    CGY
    1. Ritchie, Nick [Droits de RFA]
    Détails additionnels:
    Flames make this trade with Seattle at the Entry Draft after Seattle takes Ritchie from the Bruins
    BOS
    1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (FLA)
    2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
    Rachats de contrats
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    2021
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2181 500 000 $69 139 166 $0 $15 000 $12 360 834 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
    AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
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    2 425 000 $2 425 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
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    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    5 375 000 $5 375 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
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    3 050 000 $3 050 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    801 666 $801 666 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
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    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 2
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    1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    850 000 $850 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    1 237 500 $1 237 500 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    2 975 000 $2 975 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    900 000 $900 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    G
    UFA
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Équipe de réserve
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    C, AD
    UFA - 1

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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 30
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    CGY should try to trade him to NYR while their fan base is melting down tears of joy
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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 35
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    Quoting: pharrow
    CGY should try to trade him to NYR while their fan base is melting down tears of joy


    Bust out the AHL rules and send him there on an emergency loan!
    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 35
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    For that salary Danault will stay in MTL!

    IMO you'll have to offer 6m+ to get him out of Montreal (or being a contender team)
    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 35
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    Okay but why would Seattle pick Ritchie and trade him the second after? Instead, just send the picks to Boston. You're okay with Giordano leaving?
    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 37
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    I mean, sure, buffalo will do that
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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 37
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    Seattle should take Kylington over Giordano 100%

    You build for the future, not the past.
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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 42
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    Quoting: bhavikp27
    Okay but why would Seattle pick Ritchie and trade him the second after? Instead, just send the picks to Boston. You're okay with Giordano leaving?


    Seattle gets to stock up on picks and Calgary gets a guy after expansion that they would have to protect if they made the deal with the Bruins pre expansion. I would prefer to see Giordano go, it opens up the cap, changes the leadership group drastically and gives Hanifin and Valimaki the top four minutes.
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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 43
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    Seattle should take Kylington over Giordano 100%

    You build for the future, not the past.


    I don't think Kylington builds to the future, Kylington in my mind slots in as a career 7th D man or AHL'er. Giordano is one year to reach that cap floor and create a bit of a culture there and he's a UFA, I see what you mean and don't necessarily disagree, just defending my pick.
    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 57
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    Quoting: Taz
    For that salary Danault will stay in MTL!

    IMO you'll have to offer 6m+ to get him out of Montreal (or being a contender team)


    If the Flames were to go to 6 for Danault I would rather they go to 7 for Nugent Hopkins. I'd want to see them spend on Danault if Backlund were to leave but with Lucic waiving I would hate to see more than 5.5 for Danault
    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 57
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    I protect Phillips over Backlund. 3rd line center are easier to find and Phillips will be selected if not protected IMO.
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    4 mai 2021 à 16 h 58
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    I don't think Kylington builds to the future, Kylington in my mind slots in as a career 7th D man or AHL'er. Giordano is one year to reach that cap floor and create a bit of a culture there and he's a UFA, I see what you mean and don't necessarily disagree, just defending my pick.


    And I would argue it is too soon (23 y.o., less than 100 games) to say that Kylington wont reach his top 4 potential.

    And "reaching the floor" argument doesn't mean anything if you dont offer a pick for Giordano. Seattle will have plenty of UFAs to spend money on or teams willing to pay for a capdump.

    Good talk wink
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    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 3
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    Quoting: Twins1568
    I protect Phillips over Backlund. 3rd line center are easier to find and Phillips will be selected if not protected IMO.


    Elite defensive centers are not easy to find, he's been way better than Monahan this year so let's call him a 2C and he's made every winger he plays with better. Undersized scoring wingers are easy to find in the AHL, look at the points leaders from last season in the AHL, all the ones that were under 5'10" are no where to be found this season.
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 7
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    If the Flames were to go to 6 for Danault I would rather they go to 7 for Nugent Hopkins. I'd want to see them spend on Danault if Backlund were to leave but with Lucic waiving I would hate to see more than 5.5 for Danault


    I agree with you that he's not worth more than 5m5. This is something habs will likely offer IMO. So I don't see him leaving MTL except for a contender or a team that will overpay him.
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 8
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    And I would argue it is too soon (23 y.o., less than 100 games) to say that Kylington wont reach his top 4 potential.

    And "reaching the floor" argument doesn't mean anything if you dont offer a pick for Giordano. Seattle will have plenty of UFAs to spend money on or teams willing to pay for a capdump.

    Good talk wink



    And fair enough, if that's the pick then it is what it is, it would be unfortunate to not open up a bit of cap space but there is no need to protect or dwell over Kylington.

    Have a good one!
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 8
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    No way Buffalo makes that deal. Olofsson is just as productive as Monahan at half the cost. And you want Sabres to add Thompson and second rounder too? 25 year old AHLer Philp has no NHL trade value.
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 9
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    Quoting: Taz
    I agree with you that he's not worth more than 5m5. This is something habs will likely offer IMO. So I don't see him leaving MTL except for a contender or a team that will overpay him.


    Fair enough, are the Habs in a good spot to offer 5.5? If that's a number he settles on what do you think the term is? I may be wrong but are there some pretty good options in the pipeline for Montreal?
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    Elite defensive centers are not easy to find, he's been way better than Monahan this year so let's call him a 2C and he's made every winger he plays with better. Undersized scoring wingers are easy to find in the AHL, look at the points leaders from last season in the AHL, all the ones that were under 5'10" are no where to be found this season.


    Yeah,but Monahan is not a good exemple, Backlund still is a 3rd line center. They can even go after Danault for the job. Ruzicka can center the 4th and maybe Ryan the 3rd. Or go after Nick Paul or Colin White if Ottawa are interested in Monahan.
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 11
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    Quoting: PhatRas
    Fair enough, are the Habs in a good spot to offer 5.5? If that's a number he settles on what do you think the term is? I may be wrong but are there some pretty good options in the pipeline for Montreal?


    Assuming Tatar won't be back habs can sign Danault to a very good contract. We have Evans/Poehling that could take the spot but Danault's strenght is to play against top lines, and we don't have any prospect ready for that yet.

    Edit : I think Poehling might be more suit to take Tatar's spot than shutdown C spot.
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    Assuming Tatar won't be back habs can sign Danault to a very good contract. We have Evans/Poehling that could take the spot but Danault's strenght is to play against top lines, and we don't have any prospect ready for that yet.


    I can't believe Danault, Landeskog and RNH wont resign with their team.
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    Quoting: Twins1568
    I protect Phillips over Backlund. 3rd line center are easier to find and Phillips will be selected if not protected IMO.


    Very interesting. Seattle will be on the hunt for young centers for sure since it will be their most shallow position (like most of the teams) . I don't know Philips enough though.
    4 mai 2021 à 17 h 20
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    Quoting: Twins1568
    Yeah,but Monahan is not a good exemple, Backlund still is a 3rd line center. They can even go after Danault for the job. Ruzicka can center the 4th and maybe Ryan the 3rd. Or go after Nick Paul or Colin White if Ottawa are interested in Monahan.


    Agreed, I still don't think that you keep Phillips over Backlund though, 2019-20 hius shooting percentage was completely unsustainable and then this season he had 13 of his 21 points in a seven game stretch with Connor Zary, who fills that big body roll on that line and opens up Phillips. If you were to bring him to the NHL next season it would have to be with Backlund I think, he's the only center who plays well enough in his own zone to cover up the biggest hole in Phillips game.
    4 mai 2021 à 18 h 4
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    Quoting: jpsnow13
    Very interesting. Seattle will be on the hunt for young centers for sure since it will be their most shallow position (like most of the teams) . I don't know Philips enough though.


    Phillips doesn't play center, he's much of a winger though.
    4 mai 2021 à 18 h 11
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    Quoting: PhatRas
    Agreed, I still don't think that you keep Phillips over Backlund though, 2019-20 hius shooting percentage was completely unsustainable and then this season he had 13 of his 21 points in a seven game stretch with Connor Zary, who fills that big body roll on that line and opens up Phillips. If you were to bring him to the NHL next season it would have to be with Backlund I think, he's the only center who plays well enough in his own zone to cover up the biggest hole in Phillips game.


    Quoting: PhatRas
    Agreed, I still don't think that you keep Phillips over Backlund though, 2019-20 hius shooting percentage was completely unsustainable and then this season he had 13 of his 21 points in a seven game stretch with Connor Zary, who fills that big body roll on that line and opens up Phillips. If you were to bring him to the NHL next season it would have to be with Backlund I think, he's the only center who plays well enough in his own zone to cover up the biggest hole in Phillips game.


    I understand your take, and Backlund is a good middle 6 player. But we know his ceillings, what if Phillips becomes the next Jonathan Audy-Marchessault? Calgary window is closing, even if they signed Markstrom long term, the core need to be shaken a it. Giordano's best years are behind him and I think moving Backlund could also be good for the team moving forward. With Ruzicka, Pospisil, Phillips, Philp, Emilio-Pettersen, Gawdin and Zary, there will be a lot of bottom 6 role guys fighting for a spot. Sure Backs is ahead of them but if they decide to pull the trigger on Monahan and/or Gaudreau (I wish they keep Gaudreau).
    4 mai 2021 à 18 h 19
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    Quoting: palhal
    No way Buffalo makes that deal. Olofsson is just as productive as Monahan at half the cost. And you want Sabres to add Thompson and second rounder too? 25 year old AHLer Philp has no NHL trade value.


    Philp and Thompson probably have the same value, paying Thompson 1.4 for the next two seasons is like getting Bennett back. Olofsson plays RW not C, a Boston 2nd rounder in a draft that no one knows much after the first round is not a steep price to pay, essentially a 3rd round lottery ticket. Maybe change the prospect but my god, Calgary isn't adding as much as you're making it seem. You really came out of the gates hot just to sound goofy.
     
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