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Cap abuse

Créé par: OldManRutherford
Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 4 mai 2021
Publié: 4 mai 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
After seeing how teams like TB Chicago have grossly abused the cap there is no reason why any team would not do the same to rid of bad cap contracts by putting them on LTIR.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3900 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
37 000 000 $
37 000 000 $
2900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
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CGY
  1. Virtanen, Jake
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Jakes contract terminated
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  1. Dillon, Brenden (1 000 000 $ retained)
WSH
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  1. Holtby, Braden
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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  1. Johnson, Tyler
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
TBL
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VAN
  1. Neal, James (750 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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891 667 $891 667 $ (Bonis de performance200 000 $$200K)
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900 000 $900 000 $
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725 000 $725 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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4 mai 2021 à 14 h 37
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Why did you pick Calgary to terminate Viranten?
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 38
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Why did you pick Calgary to terminate Viranten?


Could be any team
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 38
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If you're talking cap abuse, Eriksson and Roussel, why wouldn't TB and Edm just put Johnson and Neal on LTIR and keep their draft pucks???
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4 mai 2021 à 14 h 41
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Quoting: Riley816
If you're talking cap abuse, Eriksson and Roussel, why wouldn't TB and Edm just put Johnson and Neal on LTIR and keep their draft pucks???


Exactly. This is the proposals on here every day. Posters saying give up 2021 first round pick so we can use their LTIR as cap relief. It is ridiculous . Put the players on your own LTIR.
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 42
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I mean, I'm pretty confident that Chicago and Tampa would have preferred to have Toews and Kuch in their lineups all season, and not to have them be out with injuries...
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 44
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I mean, I'm pretty confident that Chicago and Tampa would have preferred to have Toews and Kuch in their lineups all season, and not to have them be out with injuries...


Tell their GMs not to abuse their cap and then they can have them play in regular season.
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 48
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
Tell their GMs not to abuse their cap and then they can have them play in regular season.


tears of joy Kuch had surgery to repair his hip, and there are rumors that Toews has Lyme disease. It's nobodies fault that your GM signed a bunch of horrible contracts, other than him.
4 mai 2021 à 14 h 56
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tears of joy Kuch had surgery to repair his hip, and there are rumors that Toews has Lyme disease. It's nobodies fault that your GM signed a bunch of horrible contracts, other than him.


And Hossa had flesh eating disease that came from his uniform . Seabrook has career ending injuries the season he sucks. We get it. All I am saying is Ferland Eriksson Beagle Roussel all caught the lime disease also so they are all on LTIR also and we will keep our draft picks.
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
And Hossa had flesh eating disease that came from his uniform . Seabrook has career ending injuries the season he sucks. We get it. All I am saying is Ferland Eriksson Beagle Roussel all caught the lime disease also so they are all on LTIR also and we will keep our draft picks.


Hahaha, but you have to be able to prove it...
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4 mai 2021 à 15 h 3
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
And Hossa had flesh eating disease that came from his uniform . Seabrook has career ending injuries the season he sucks. We get it. All I am saying is Ferland Eriksson Beagle Roussel all caught the lime disease also so they are all on LTIR also and we will keep our draft picks.

An independent doctor needs to confirm the injury. You can’t just put a player on LTIR because they’re not living up to their contract. This season also isn’t the first season Seabrook hasn’t lived up to his contract.
4 mai 2021 à 15 h 15
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An independent doctor needs to confirm the injury. You can’t just put a player on LTIR because they’re not living up to their contract. This season also isn’t the first season Seabrook hasn’t lived up to his contract.


Well Chicago stadium must be a garbage can for having players catching lime disease and skin eating uniforms. They may want to use some of their cap space then to hire a sanitary crew.
4 mai 2021 à 15 h 17
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Hahaha, but you have to be able to prove it...


Exactly so create your own career ending issue for your players and sit back and say prove it. Much better than giving up draft picks.
4 mai 2021 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
Well Chicago stadium must be a garbage can for having players catching lime disease and skin eating uniforms. They may want to use some of their cap space then to hire a sanitary crew.

So you think that Toews is making up his condition? Why, he’s still a solid contributing NHL player and only turned 33 this week. Hossa has Ezcema and that isn’t a made up disease and it’s well documented.
4 mai 2021 à 16 h 40
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So you think that Toews is making up his condition? Why, he’s still a solid contributing NHL player and only turned 33 this week. Hossa has Ezcema and that isn’t a made up disease and it’s well documented.


Yeah I don't believe anything that comes out of Chicago and their years of abusing the cap. Where the hell did Toews get Lime disease off a tick? Hossa is allergic to NHL uniforms and not regular clothes. I don't buy their excuses anymore.
4 mai 2021 à 17 h 35
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
Yeah I don't believe anything that comes out of Chicago and their years of abusing the cap. Where the hell did Toews get Lime disease off a tick? Hossa is allergic to NHL uniforms and not regular clothes. I don't buy their excuses anymore.

Has he or the team confirmed it’s Lyme disease? I didn’t see anything on that. Ezcema can be aggravated from a particular material in the clothes and when you have open sores you don’t really want bacteria/sweat getting in there to cause infections. So yeah, jerseys can be worse than regular street clothes. This is all moot because a third party doctor confirmed conditions for both Hossa & Toews, regardless of your conspiracy theories.
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Has he or the team confirmed it’s Lyme disease? I didn’t see anything on that. Ezcema can be aggravated from a particular material in the clothes and when you have open sores you don’t really want bacteria/sweat getting in there to cause infections. So yeah, jerseys can be worse than regular street clothes. This is all moot because a third party doctor confirmed conditions for both Hossa & Toews, regardless of your conspiracy theories.


He can play with a broken nose or his teeth knocked out but an itch ends his career. Rightttttttttttt
4 mai 2021 à 17 h 42
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He can play with a broken nose or his teeth knocked out but an itch ends his career. Rightttttttttttt

Yeah, a condition that gets progressive worse. Who woulda thought the guy would worry about his days post hockey? One can avoid contact from the nose/mouth but how do you avoid contact for your entire body? The logic...

https://www.bardown.com/marian-hossa-details-on-how-eczema-ended-his-career-1.1259902
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Yeah, a condition that gets progressive worse. Who woulda thought the guy would worry about his days post hockey? One can avoid contact from the nose/mouth but how do you avoid contact for your entire body? The logic...

https://www.bardown.com/marian-hossa-details-on-how-eczema-ended-his-career-1.1259902


Well that makes it all true (sarcasm)
4 mai 2021 à 17 h 53
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Well that makes it all true (sarcasm)

Got it, so logic/reasoning/science isn’t to be believed versus your speculation. There’s no changing your mind, have a good day.
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
Exactly so create your own career ending issue for your players and sit back and say prove it. Much better than giving up draft picks.


It’s a shame that the Nucks have had such a horrible season, and I get that Benning’s incompetence is probably frustrating, but having a grossly misinformed take on how LTIR works, and how teams potentially abuse it probably isn’t the best way to go about trying to prove your point.

If teams were potentially abusing it in the manner that you’re trying to say they are, there would be smarter people than you and I who would be able to prove it pretty quickly.

The “It’s a conspiracy, mannnnnn” meme would be the perfect of what you’re trying to push right now.
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Got it, so logic/reasoning/science isn’t to be believed versus your speculation. There’s no changing your mind, have a good day.


You could believe things once but as soon a every player on the team with a big contract starts playing bad and instantly develops a career ending excuse ? Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.
4 mai 2021 à 18 h 11
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Quoting: BubbleDemko
You could believe things once but as soon a every player on the team with a big contract starts playing bad and instantly develops a career ending excuse ? Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

Is Toews playing bad? Is he retiring? Because this doesn’t follow this news article.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/report-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-could-return-2021-22-season

So an important component of the CBA is that the owners collectively decide and therefore a team can’t put something in the CBA that is beneficial to their team or a select number of teams because the other owners would veto it. It’s also important to note that some contracts are insured by an insurance company that does there own assessment of injury since they will be paying a portion of said contract, up to 80 percent of salary.

You factor all of these components together and you’d realize your speculation is extreme tin hat conspiracy.
 
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