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Interesting swap

Créé par: papishark
Équipe: 2021-22 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 3 mai 2021
Publié: 3 mai 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Two guys who need a change of scenery. Laine is a little better on paper, but also more expensive and less years under contract more than likely. What are your thoughts?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
37 000 000 $
11 500 000 $
1800 000 $
22 000 000 $
2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1925 000 $
34 500 000 $
33 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Laine, Patrik [Droits de RFA]
2.
SJS
SEA
  1. Gambrell, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $72 280 363 $0 $1 407 500 $9 219 637 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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4 725 000 $4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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2 108 696 $2 108 696 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
C
RFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
UFA - 1
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
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10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
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800 000 $800 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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796 667 $796 667 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
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725 000 $725 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
G
RFA - 1
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776 667 $776 667 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (Bonis de performance110 000 $$110K)
C, AG
UFA - 1

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3 mai 2021 à 19 h 29
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CBJ declines. They have too much to lose here, and this doesn't solve their root problems in the slightest.
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3 mai 2021 à 19 h 32
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Thats quite a low offer for Danault
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3 mai 2021 à 19 h 38
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Thats quite a low offer for Danault


Thought so too, but he does seem to have regressed a little.
3 mai 2021 à 19 h 58
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CBJ declines. They have too much to lose here, and this doesn't solve their root problems in the slightest.


Okay but have you considered Laine isn't really very good nor a solver of said problems?
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3 mai 2021 à 20 h 3
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Danault declines, he will probably get around 4-5, also you'd have to add something for CBJ to accept
3 mai 2021 à 20 h 14
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Okay but have you considered Laine isn't really very good nor a solver of said problems?


I dunno what moving Laine for a lesser winger would solve either.

Laine has his problems, but it's not like Meier doesn't come without one either. That QO of his is a huge red flag.
3 mai 2021 à 20 h 19
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I dunno what moving Laine for a lesser winger would solve either.

Laine has his problems, but it's not like Meier doesn't come without one either. That QO of his is a huge red flag.


Meier is a really good player though
3 mai 2021 à 20 h 21
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Quoting: MelonVK
Meier is a really good player though


I figured its a somewhat equal swap. PPG is very similar but people still want Laine to be something he wont be
3 mai 2021 à 20 h 26
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Interesting swap indeed!

Timo with much better underlying numbers tho

A bit older in fairness
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I figured its a somewhat equal swap. PPG is very similar but people still want Laine to be something he wont be


Laine is a really good scorer. That along with being #2 overall is gonna make his value last for a long time. But his team gets caved in with him on the ice. Meier is a net positive player at worst, with a few insane seasons behind him where he absolutely demolishes opponents without giving much back. He's not in great form now, but I'd rather bet on him returning to it than Laine developing a bunch of skills he just doesn't have at this point in his career.
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3 mai 2021 à 20 h 34
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Quoting: MelonVK
Meier is a really good player though


I don't really buy the idea of Laine being considered bad either. Statistically speaking this year is huge anomaly compared to the few earlier ones, in which Laine respectively has been better than Meier is.

It would be shortsighted to forget all things Laine had achieved in WPG after having a 25-game long slump of games he was bad in Columbus. Kekäläinen is not one to make shortsighted moves if you ask me.
3 mai 2021 à 20 h 57
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I don't really buy the idea of Laine being considered bad either. Statistically speaking this year is huge anomaly compared to the few earlier ones, in which Laine respectively has been better than Meier is.

It would be shortsighted to forget all things Laine had achieved in WPG after having a 25-game long slump of games he was bad in Columbus. Kekäläinen is not one to make shortsighted moves if you ask me.


I think you're using some surface level statistics right there if you're saying Laine performed better. Meier has been at the very top of the league in terms of driving offense pretty recently while still being really good defensively. Laine has never had a single season where is offensive ability outweighs his anchoring defensive struggles.
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3 mai 2021 à 21 h 4
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I think you're using some surface level statistics right there if you're saying Laine performed better. Meier has been at the very top of the league in terms of driving offense pretty recently while still being really good defensively. Laine has never had a single season where is offensive ability outweighs his anchoring defensive struggles.


Surface level...well goals and points. To be fair those are the ones that matter the most. At the end of the day this is a scoring game - the one who scores more wins.

Lemme put it this way - Laine this year has been bad and hid performance is definitely more erratic but his ceiling justifies a $10M contract should he achieve that. His QO is $7,5M.

Meier is constantly a good top-6 winger and I reckon his ceiling could justify a $7,5M contract. His QO is $10M.

Both assets have their issues. In theory that swap could work, but if Laine finds his game and reaches that potential, Columbus is going to lose both in terms of player and contract. This is why I said in the first comment that CBJ simply has too much to lose here. And it still wouldn't solve that center problem.

Meier does benefit from having centers such as Couture and Hertl. It's a total mystery how he would fare with the likes of Texier and Roslovic. It goes without saying they're a step down of those two.
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Surface level...well goals and points. To be fair those are the ones that matter the most. At the end of the day this is a scoring game - the one who scores more wins.

Lemme put it this way - Laine this year has been bad and hid performance is definitely more erratic but his ceiling justifies a $10M contract should he achieve that. His QO is $7,5M.

Meier is constantly a good top-6 winger and I reckon his ceiling could justify a $7,5M contract. His QO is $10M.

Both assets have their issues. In theory that swap could work, but if Laine finds his game and reaches that potential, Columbus is going to lose both in terms of player and contract. This is why I said in the first comment that CBJ simply has too much to lose here. And it still wouldn't solve that center problem.

Meier does benefit from having centers such as Couture and Hertl. It's a total mystery how he would fare with the likes of Texier and Roslovic. It goes without saying they're a step down of those two.


If I come into the NHL and score 40 goals, my team mates score 0, and my opponents score 100 while I'm on the ice, are those strong numbers, statistically speaking?

Laine is basically a soft version of that. He is *consistently* making sure the ice tilts in the opposing team's favor. He takes sooo many shots, and yet his team manages to shoot less than his opponents with him on the ice.

Meier is having a pretty average season for an NHLer, slightly outscoring his opponents, but he has seasons in the past where he's scoring like crazy, making his teammates score like crazy, and making his opponents score less than they usually do.

And then you add in factors like teammates, opponents, opposition goaltending, and all of a sudden you have expected goal measures that tell us Meier is light years ahead of Laine. Now - these stats do sometimes miss out on an above average shooter - like Laine. Meier is more average to slightly worse actually in terms of shooter effects. But it doesn't even begin to put a dent in the *massive* gap between them.

Meier has elite seasons behind him. Laine only gets above average if you very generously take his shot into account. I wouldn't pay Laine $4m for any of his previous seasons. Meier has seasons worth a cap hit of like $10-11m.
3 mai 2021 à 21 h 15
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Quoting: MelonVK
If I come into the NHL and score 40 goals, my team mates score 0, and my opponents score 100 while I'm on the ice, are those strong numbers, statistically speaking?

Laine is basically a soft version of that. He is *consistently* making sure the ice tilts in the opposing team's favor. He takes sooo many shots, and yet his team manages to shoot less than his opponents with him on the ice.

Meier is having a pretty average season for an NHLer, slightly outscoring his opponents, but he has seasons in the past where he's scoring like crazy, making his teammates score like crazy, and making his opponents score less than they usually do.

And then you add in factors like teammates, opponents, opposition goaltending, and all of a sudden you have expected goal measures that tell us Meier is light years ahead of Laine. Now - these stats do sometimes miss out on an above average shooter - like Laine. Meier is more average to slightly worse actually in terms of shooter effects. But it doesn't even begin to put a dent in the *massive* gap between them.

Meier has elite seasons behind him. Laine only gets above average if you very generously take his shot into account. I wouldn't pay Laine $4m for any of his previous seasons. Meier has seasons worth a cap hit of like $10-11m.


Well it seems our opinions on these players differ way too much to hold a reasonable discussion really.
4 mai 2021 à 2 h 45
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Quoting: justaBoss
Well it seems our opinions on these players differ way too much to hold a reasonable discussion really.


Sorry for being so unreasonable!
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4 mai 2021 à 6 h 38
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Sorry for being so unreasonable!


I don't think you were unreasonable in the slightest actually, you had some good points here and there.

I suppose it comes to how one sees the potential behind Laine. I for one see a lot of potential behind him, but I'm not that surprised if some people didn't.

It might be a personal bias really. I tend to believe in my fellow Finn's ability more than others.
 
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