This is the Leafs year and Tavares Discussion

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I thought the contract as a UFA was OK. Tavares play...as expected. What the Leafs did was overpay their 3 top RFA, collectively 4.5m too much at the time of signings.
Of course just before Covid the league was expecting a cap of 86m for 21/22 which makes a lot of signings made pre Covid rather bloated.

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29 avr. 2021 à 10 h 52

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Quoting: palhal

Tavares had a slow start to the season (apparently it was a stick issue) but he's looked like his old self for last 10-15 games.

Aside from the slow start this year, if it wasn't for COVID (as you mention) and the cap was rising the way it was supposed to, I really doubt there would be much talk about Tavares' price tag.

Also Nylander got market value.

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29 avr. 2021 à 13 h 21

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Quoting: Barilko14

Yeah, Nylander's actuall cap hit of 6.5 or whatever isn't terrible. His actual salary and signing bonuses and the breakdown of the first couple years was insane.

29 avr. 2021 à 13 h 22

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Yeah, Nylander's actuall cap hit of 6.5 or whatever isn't terrible. His actual salary and signing bonuses and the breakdown of the first couple years was insane.

He made like 11 million in the first season

29 avr. 2021 à 13 h 26

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We comparing teams 2Cs that play in divisions with actual defenses / other good teams with Toronto’s pushover North division. Hard to do that.

29 avr. 2021 à 14 h 36

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Ive never really took in how Habs fans were going off about his contract and how they were happy they didnt meet with him, meanwhile webers on the books til hes 40 and hes already playing like hes 45, he could very well be the slowest player in the league, i knew he was on the books that long i just never took in that habs fans were chirping hard meanwhile theyre in a worse spot

JT is the best player on Montreal pretty easily

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29 avr. 2021 à 18 h 24

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Quoting: vr1995

Although I don't love the Leafs cap investment of about 41m in 4 players...at least those four players show fair value by their play

Next year the Habs have given raises to Petry and Gallagher. Along with Price and Weber that's 32m with term in four players on the downsides of their career.

29 avr. 2021 à 22 h 57

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I don't think anyone really dislikes Tavares the person/player......what fans don't like is all that money/cap space tied up in four players making it tough to have a good defense and a #1 goalie

30 avr. 2021 à 10 h 34

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Quoting: palhal

Exactly they pay their stars.

take ottawa for example, they have crazy potential with their prospect pool, but melnyk is cheap and could hinder them signing all of them, marner last year everyone complained and laughed at the leafs for the deal and look this year, noones making a peep

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 0

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Actually I'll disagree with Melynk being cheap. They were semi finalists and acquired Duchense for Cup run. But even with Karlsson, Stone and Duchene they were finishing out of the playoffs. So he made three trades get futures for his 3 UFAs. No reason a non playoff team should be spending to the cap, when they will need cap space in the near future.
It costs about 130m to run an NHL team. The difference between spending 81m or 71m in players salaries isn't very much.
So while Melynk might be cheap, I think Sens have done a good job of spending wisely. Now that players are due for bigger contracts, we'll see how cheap the Senators are. IMO they will offer fair contracts to their players. Now whether or not the players want those contracts is another issue.

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 7

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Quoting: ecupirate07

We comparing teams 2Cs that play in divisions with actual defenses / other good teams with Toronto’s pushover North division. Hard to do that.

lol what's with carolina fans on this website being completely insufferable?

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 12

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lol what's with carolina fans on this website being completely insufferable?

since we cant take a joke and Toronto fans being light years worse, it is what it is I guess

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 14

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Quoting: ecupirate07

since we cant take a joke and Toronto fans being light years worse, it is what it is I guess

"i was joking" is such a cop out lmao

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 52

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Quoting: ecupirate07

since we cant take a joke and Toronto fans being light years worse, it is what it is I guess

Carolina fans are sneeeeaaaky bad

30 avr. 2021 à 12 h 55

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Quoting: palhal

chabot aside, whens the last time theyve signed one of their stars? im talking resigning their stars

30 avr. 2021 à 13 h 27

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Quoting: mondo

"i was joking" is such a cop out lmao

at least we are all laughing

Seriously though the North is a cake walk. Tavares was fantastic 2 years ago. The last 2 he has tailed off from being worth the money. This year's numbers dont show a tail off because the north doesnt have a challenger. He'll slowly continue his slide into 2C production and the contract will look really bad. At least Toronto had one really good year and then these two close to PPG years. May get 1 or 2 more.

30 avr. 2021 à 13 h 28

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Quoting: vr1995

Carolina fans are sneeeeaaaky bad

I do enjoy the good no on trade proposals because they typically warrant them.

There is one who is less than sneaky bad.

We all have our faults.

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30 avr. 2021 à 13 h 51

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Quoting: vr1995

chabot aside, whens the last time theyve signed one of their stars? im talking resigning their stars

???? Not signing the stars isn't necessarily a bad thing, and certainly doesn't signify cheapness.
Apparently Karlsson was offered 10m. EK probably wanted to leave Ottawa anyway, so the Sens got a great haul in that trade with San Jose. Don't you think San Jose regrets signing Karlsson?
Duschene is getting paid too much for too much term by Nashville. Great move by Sens moving away from him.
Sure the Sens probably wish they had signed Stone. But Stone was going to be a UFA, so really the Sens had no choice whether he stayed or went.
Fact is rebuilding teams shouldn't be spending to the cap. It just hurts future cap flexbility. Canucks, Sabres, San Jose, Philly, are a lot close to the cap than Ottawa, and not much better if at all right now, and certainly the Sens seems to have many more good assets in cost controlled players.

30 avr. 2021 à 13 h 55

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Quoting: ecupirate07

North division may not have multiple contenders but none of the teams are massive pushovers. Ottawa is the worst team in the division and they not only play up to the Leafs constantly but they're inarguably better than Anaheim/San Jose, Detroit/Columbus, New Jersey/Buffalo.

Besides, you play what's in front of you. Tavares has been fantastic this season regardless of what you think about the opposition. Discounting him is extremely disingenuous.

30 avr. 2021 à 14 h 6

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